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    Have you guys seen the one with "Brace yourself as everyone on facebook becomes constitutional scholars"? That is by far my favorite. I made tg he mistake of trying to discuss it in CW but apparently they can't have discussions.
    Posted by HandBanana
    That one rubbed me the wrong way because it implies that having an opinion (and dare I say a negative opinion of the healthcare bill) means you think you're a constitutional scholar. I certainly don't claim to be, but that doesn't mean I can't talk about this or that I can't have an opinion on it. 
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    There are a few people on my feed who I hide posts from, mainy scripture posts or those terrible "share this if you care" posts.  Ugh.  I'm glad that the vast majority of my fb friends are intelligent people who can have a decent debate about politics.  A bunch of the posts yesterday had to do with Commerce Clause versus Taxation, but that's due to my FI and a lot of our friends being law students or recent law school graduates.  I'm glad none of my OK family posted anything about it, I would have had to hide those posts immediately to keep the rage down.
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    My aunt is like that about the scripture, I feel bad for hiding it but it's just too much when it fills up the whole wall!
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    Its funny because we clearly have completely different types of people on our friends lists. I have seen maybe one negative status. The rest are similar to yours except that they are uniformed euphoriadriven babble. Just as irritating.
    Posted by musicalsunlight
    That's what I was thinking.  It kind of surprises me, considering where I"m from and my DH is from (Ohio and Tennessee).  Although most of my more "outspoken" friends tend to sway democrat.
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    Have you guys seen the one with "Brace yourself as everyone on facebook becomes constitutional scholars"? That is by far my favorite. I made tg he mistake of trying to discuss it in CW but apparently they can't have discussions.
    Posted by HandBanana
    Oh yes.  I dug that.

    I sit kind of on the fence about everything.  I don't believe everyone who thinks that angels will rain down from Heaven because of this law but I also don't think it's going to burn the nation to the ground in a firey black hole, either.  There's got to be a reason why some people like it, and there's got to be a reason why others don't.

    And no one accomplishes anything by arguing crap on FB.  PLUS.  Kourtney Kardashian could pop at any moment.  Celebrity babies, people.  Check your priorities.
























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    In Response to Re:I'm about to defriend everyone on FB:Have you guys seen the one with "Brace yourself as everyone on facebook becomes constitutional scholars"? That is by far my favorite. I made tg he mistake of trying to discuss it in CW but apparently they can't have discussions.Posted by HandBananaThat one rubbed me the wrong way because it implies that having an opinion and dare I say a negative opinion of the healthcare bill means you think you're a constitutional scholar. I certainly don't claim to be, but that doesn't mean I can't talk about this or that I can't have an opinion on it.nbsp; Posted by laurenclaire1386
    I saw it as directed at those who quote constitutional law incorrectly. I have no problem with people disagreeing and I don't even agree with all of it.
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    Have you guys seen the one with "Brace yourself as everyone on facebook becomes constitutional scholars"? That is by far my favorite. I made tg he mistake of trying to discuss it in CW but apparently they can't have discussions.
    Posted by HandBanana
    You mean this one?





    I hadn't thought about it that way LC, but now that you've pointed it out, I agree.

    I've been pretty lucky this time but that may be because I've done some previous idiot removal. I would have to defriend the monkey comment guy. Although I am reminded of that scene in Remember the Titans when he gives the other coach a banana.
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    In Response to Re:I'm about to defriend everyone on FB:Have you guys seen the one with "Brace yourself as everyone on facebook becomes constitutional scholars"? That is by far my favorite. I made tg he mistake of trying to discuss it in CW but apparently they can't have discussions.Posted by HandBananaOh yes.nbsp; I dug that.I sit kind of on the fence about everything.nbsp; I don't believe everyone who thinks that angels will rain down from Heaven because of this law but I also don't think it's going to burn the nation to the ground in a firey black hole, either.nbsp; There's got to be a reason why some people like it, and there's got to be a reason why others don't.And no one accomplishes anything by arguing crap on FB.nbsp; PLUS.nbsp; Kourtney Kardashian could pop at any moment.nbsp; Celebrity babies, people.nbsp; Check your priorities.I hope I don't have to denote sarcasm Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin
    I think people who are trying to compare this to Supreme Court decisions involving African American and Civil Rights are gross and that is who that meme is directed at.
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  • I'm currently working on a masters in health policy (so I can't help but to chime in).  The scarriest thing about this bill is that no expert I've encountered knows what is going to happen in 2014 when all these laws go into effect.  None of my professors or the guest speakers in our lectures know what is going to happen, they all have guesses, but none of them would bet anything substantial on those guesses. 
    My personal opinion that has formed in the past year is that the bill is good in that our country needs a change to eliminate the free care given away by NFP hospitals and HCOs and the bad debt that those hospitals are forced to pass on to insuranc companies (which raises premiums for anyone holding those insurance plicies).  The bill may not be the "right" plan, but it is a step towards making some sort of change that NEEDS to be in place before the "baby boomer bubble" flips and the minority of Americans (young people) are left footing the health care bill for the majority of Americans (Medicare and Medicaid patients).  At least the "Obamacare" plan is making people think about all the issues surrounding our health system, unfortunately the solution is not backpeddling or moving to Canada.
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    In Response to Re: I'm about to defriend everyone on FB : I saw that yesterday and it pissed me off. Unless the vet in question is a WWII vet, he hasn't been fighting for my freedom. I'm sorry, but no war since WWII has been fought in the name of freedom. That's a damn fact. I don't mean to say that I don't have respect for the military or soldiers' service, I absolutely do. But they're not fighting for freedom, which is not the fault of their's, but of our governments. What's more? All speech is protected, not just speech filled with sweetness and light. So yeah, not standing up for the pledge is absolutely a right and no one has died for that right since 1945. 
    Posted by laurenclaire1386

    We may not be fighting for YOUR freedom, but I have never been prouder than the day I flew air cover over the first free Afghani election in decades, and saw WOMEN going to vote.  I was fighting for THEIR freedom.     

    Oh yeah.  I'm in the military, and I'm a democrat.  
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    In Response to Re: I'm about to defriend everyone on FB : We may not be fighting for YOUR freedom, but I have never been prouder than the day I flew air cover over the first free Afghani election in decades, and saw WOMEN going to vote.  I was fighting for THEIR freedom.      Oh yeah.  I'm in the military, and I'm a democrat.  
    Posted by Avion22
    I'm sure this will be incredibly unpopular, but quite frankly the freedom of Afghanistan is not a major concern of mine. Not when we're spending gazillions of dollars on it and we're drowning in debt. We can't afford nation building. So thank you for your service (I do mean that sincerely, and I'm not trying to be a jerkwad), and I'm proud that you're proud, but I'm not ever going to agree that sending our blood and money overseas in the name of democracy is a good idea. 
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    In Response to Re: I'm about to defriend everyone on FB : I'm sure this will be incredibly unpopular, but quite frankly the freedom of Afghanistan is not a major concern of mine. Not when we're spending gazillions of dollars on it and we're drowning in debt. We can't afford nation building. So thank you for your service (I do mean that sincerely, and I'm not trying to be a jerkwad), and I'm proud that you're proud, but I'm not ever going to agree that sending our blood and money overseas in the name of democracy is a good idea. 
    Posted by laurenclaire1386

    I just don't think we can turn a blind eye when people commit humanitarian crimes like the Taliban do, and then go and harbor America's worst enemies.    We've actually  made amazing progress in Afghanistan, but of course that part doesn't make the news.   I think we've done as much as we can though.  But still, helping to make it safe for girls to go to school and women to have jobs and vote are life accomplishments that I'm most proud of.   And, I don't think you can put a price on that.  

    But yeah, I'm in the military, a democrat and support Obamacare, and support our president as Commander in Chief, while a lot of my colleagues are openly bashing him (their BOSS) on Facebook.   I'm embarassed for them.

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    Yeah, I hate those posts. Sometimes I actually turn my computer off to avoid writing mean things on my friends walls. This was on a friend's wall yesterday: Yeah, so I can find a super redneck that has a KKK hood on and say "Right-wing conservative Republicans have theirs" and a picture of a soldier that is a democrat and say "And Americans have ours". And to that point, how do they even know the guy in the picture isn't a democrat? Oh wait, I forgot the Armed Forces are all Republicans....
    Posted by pokepoke27

    Pisses me off. So very much. 

    My FI is in the Air Force, and we're both pretty much pinko-commie-long-haired-hippie-bleeding--heart liberals. Well, he doesn't have long hair, because, you know, regs. 

    Someone actually posted that standing up for the pledge cartoon on his wall and he got so very pissed off. "That's not how that works!" was uttered many many times. It gets really annoying because he's very careful about a lot of political stuff online and people seem to take that as he is a Republican by default. 

    Also, anyone saying that Jesus is their healthcare is so ridiculous that I can't even talk to them anymore.
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  • I have a lot of law friends so I wasn't as bothered by con law being spewed all over my FB since we are required to study it in detail. One of the attorneys just gave me an assignment to pretty much read and dissect all 193 pages of the opinion for him. Not excited, haha. Also, I'm totally in agreement with you, LC. About most things, but especially your comment about afghanistan. We will sit in the corner with our Ron Paul hats on.
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  • LC - I just got off of an hour long phone call with my father whcih is why I'm (once again) a little late in responding. BUT - I just took that as a lighthearted funny thing. I thought it was funny. I can see how someone could be offended by it, but I don't think ti really just means having an opinion. You can certainly have an opinion. It's just irritates me to see all the people that don't know what they're talking about arguing it like they're professional politicians or something. And honestly, the majority of people that I see arguing politics on facebook really don't know what the eff they're talking about. That's just going off my own personal experience though - I know everyone has different sets of friends. 
  • There was only one comment of my news feed. It from a 17 year old friend whose family are tea partiers. She was emo ranting about how the government was going to let her die and her future was doomed. When we tried to explain to her that she'll be on her parents' health insurance longer than we were allowed to be (so we don't feel bad for her), she just started going on and on about stuff (that just isn't true) about "Obamacare." My favorite line from her... (copied+pasted)

    it should be calld obamaDOESNTcare becus im going to die and he doesnt care!!
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    It's not free, except for the expansion of Medicaid to those who make 133% of the federal poverty wage (so about $15k/year if you are a single adult). In fact, it encourages people to buy health insurance from private companies. Don't conservatives love capitalism?

    It's also based on the plan Republicans came up with in the early 1990s to counter the Clintons' universal health care program. And, obviously, the program Romney instituted in Massachusetts.
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    In Response to Re:I'm about to defriend everyone on FB : I thought it was hilarious because I actually had people trying to bust out the Constitution in my feed.  Really, dude?  You took a semester of Government junior year in high school and now you're going to spit game at me? (Not YOU, Lauren.  The tools on my FB.)
    Posted by EaglesBride2012
    Or that you think you know more about the constitution than... the SCOTUS.

    LC, I took the meme to just mean, "Oh, lord, here we go. EVERYONE is going to be talking about the ACA decision. It will be all FB will be talking about for the rest of the day." I don't have any weirdos or jerkwads on my FB list, so everyone talking about it WAS discussing it intelligently, whether they agree with the law or not. :)
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  • I posted the verdict and then people went on long rants that went on while I was sleeping. Then one of my more liberal friends got drunk and just posted all night long bashing everything and everyone especially personally attacking my more conservative friends. I deleted it all because there is no room for that on my facebook. I seriously don't see how people think that's the right place for a discussion.
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  • I am also in healthcare policy and the healthcare field. My hospital is charity based and we are looking at some serious penalities because we are too close to another hospital in a minority community. To the tune of 50 million that we could be using to spend on our patients.

    In my opinion, Obamacare does not even remotely address 3 of the drivers of the high healthcare rates. Defensive medicine, high malpractice insurance, and reimbursements not covering costs.

    I just do not see how using interest rates on student loans, which we did not do, and cutting reimbursements, which we also did not do, and paying taxes for several years before the benefits even kick in and still owe almost a trillion bucks when we are so far in debt is going to work. I also find taxing insurance plans and medical devices counter productive.

    And the Supreme Court struck down requiring states to expand medicaid. That was all that was struck down.

    I just think this is all going to fall apart like a house of cards. So many factions of this law relies on the states and their abilities to pull all of this off and many cannot . It also bothers me they are relying on funding that is not there.

    I think we could have done the good things in this law, without 2000+ pages of nonsense. I think baby steps was the way to go on the federal level and allow states to sort it out. I know my healthcare system here is different than the healthcare system in say, Texas.
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  • http://blisstree.com/live/what-obamacare-means-for-women-birth-control-affordable-care-act-570/gallery-page/1/

    Just read this article... Wow! As women I'm sure we can all say that not being charged a higher premium just because we are women is definitely a good thing!
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    who's screaming "FREE HEALTHCARE FOR EVERYONE ON MY DIME"  I am the first to admit that I'm not 100% clear on what all this means, but let's not do any research and start posting crap on FB, mmkay? Some snippets: The only way we're going to overturn Obamacare now is by voting OUT Obama and winning the Senate. It's time to vote for representatives who vow to get rid of Obamacare! Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction The LORD is COMING to rescue his people from THE MESS of obamacare! its just another way of the govt fucking you over and taking you rmoney to waste on there own personal agenda And then something racist on "monkeycare" that I'm not even going to C&P. People are cray cray.
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    One of the things I learned a long time ago is you don't discuss politics and or religion.
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    In Response to Re:I'm about to defriend everyone on FB:In Response to Re:I'm about to defriend everyone on FB : I thought it was hilarious because I actually had people trying to bust out the Constitution in my feed.nbsp; Really, dude?nbsp; You took a semester of Government junior year in high school and now you're going to spit game at me? Not YOU, Lauren.nbsp; The tools on my FB.Posted by EaglesBride2012Or that you think you know more about the constitution than... the SCOTUS. LC, I took the meme to just mean, "Oh, lord, here we go. EVERYONE is going to be talking about the ACA decision. It will be all FB will be talking about for the rest of the day." I don't have any weirdos or jerkwads on my FB list, so everyone talking about it WAS discussing it intelligently, whether they agree with the law or not. : Posted by msmerymac
    I mean you are a Supreme Court Judge but I watch a lot of Law and Order. I think I know what I am talkin about.
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    I am also in healthcare policy and the healthcare field. My hospital is charity based and we are looking at some serious penalities because we are too close to another hospital in a minority community. To the tune of 50 million that we could be using to spend on our patients. In my opinion, Obamacare does not even remotely address 3 of the drivers of the high healthcare rates. Defensive medicine, high malpractice insurance, and reimbursements not covering costs. I just do not see how using interest rates on student loans, which we did not do, and cutting reimbursements, which we also did not do, and paying taxes for several years before the benefits even kick in and still owe almost a trillion bucks when we are so far in debt is going to work. I also find taxing insurance plans and medical devices counter productive. And the Supreme Court struck down requiring states to expand medicaid. That was all that was struck down. I just think this is all going to fall apart like a house of cards. So many factions of this law relies on the states and their abilities to pull all of this off and many cannot . It also bothers me they are relying on funding that is not there. I think we could have done the good things in this law, without 2000+ pages of nonsense. I think baby steps was the way to go on the federal level and allow states to sort it out. I know my healthcare system here is different than the healthcare system in say, Texas.
    Posted by daffydillie
    I think there is a limit to what the government can fix about healthcare. Things like defensive (preventative?) medicine and malpractice insurance rates are going to see more change from smaller efforts to change community approached to health care, insurance incentives to seek preventative care, and research in improving patient safety and improving how medical mistakes are handled. The reimbursement gap is not going to get better under current Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement, however obamacare will help decrease the burden on NFP health care organizations by decreasing the amount of free care and bad debt they are exposed to. Are you currently at a critical access hospital?
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    In Response to Re: I'm about to defriend everyone on FB : I think there is a limit to what the government can fix about healthcare. Things like defensive (preventative?) medicine and malpractice insurance rates are going to see more change from smaller efforts to change community approached to health care, insurance incentives to seek preventative care, and research in improving patient safety and improving how medical mistakes are handled. The reimbursement gap is not going to get better under current Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement, however obamacare will help decrease the burden on NFP health care organizations by decreasing the amount of free care and bad debt they are exposed to. Are you currently at a critical access hospital?
    Posted by kimandjosh22
    Defensive Medicine =/= Preventative Medicine

    Defensive medicine is the practice by doctors to over prescribe testing and procedures to more or less cover their behinds. Preventative care is stopping a situation before it becomes a problem. This is a costly reaction to the sue happy culture we have today. Malpractice caps would help eliminate these problems. We also have a culture that feels death is not a natural process, so when someone dies at 96 the family still wants to and does sue healthcare providers.

    Medicare reimbursements are determined by Congress every year. So that is also an area the feds can help with. This is going to get worse with taxes on medical devices and the massive cuts in medicare.

    Medicaid reimbursements are based off of medicare rates in most states again goes back to the feds.

    In addition, simple measures the government can do can improve the overall health of Americans such as not permitting GMOs and Fluoride. Both of those huge issues are very much controled by the government.

    And lastly, allowing people to buy ala carte plans across state lines. In our research, 30-40% of healthcare plans are products the consumer does not need.

    I work at a predominately charity based hospital. The fees and fines on our hospital may very well completely change how we handle non insured patients.
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  • daffydillie, totally agree with you. The "easy fixes" for the current health care cost problems we have are fixes that nobody has tried to implement (insurance across state lines, tort reform, etc.).

    When it comes to discussing constitutional law, also, there's something that I think many people outside of the legal field/legal background forget. The SCOTUS is typically seen in terms of Democrat vs. Republican, but it's more "relativist vs. positivist." The Constitution is either seen in terms of "read between the lines, it changes" or "the Constitution is written as it's written and what is there is there, and reading between the lines isn't in our power." Scalia, I think, demonstrates the latter idea perfectly and discusses it often in his opinions, particularly in his dissents. There is one case - it was either Planned Parenthood v. Casey (1992) or Lawrence v. Texas (2003) - where he discussed how the law that was overturned (he dissented) was one that have been settled in the legislature rather than in SCOTUS.

    Just because a person interprets the Constitution in a different manner than the manner used for justification of the majority opinion (in many cases) does not mean that they "know more than SCOTUS". Even justices disagree. The margin may be large or small. I think the idea here is to find a justice with whose opinion you agree. It doesn't mean that you know more or think you know more because you side with the dissent, it just means that you view the Constitution (in the case of constitutional law) in a different light.

    With regard to Massachusetts - this article (clicky) explains it fairly well. While Romney was a Republican governor, the state legislature was overwhelmingly Democrat. The MA health care laws were not devised solely by Romney or a Republican/Independent state legislature. As I believe we know - or, at least, those of us who are politically educated and pay attention - trying to get something passed on the terms of one party in an area controlled by the opposite party is ridiculously difficult. While Romney does have to come up with some defense of what happened in Massachusetts, the MA health care laws are not solely his responsibility/fault. It would seem that he tried to implement a solution for other problems, and it became what it is today.

    On one note - the ACA was ruled to be a tax. In the Constitution, the Taxing and Spending Clause (and stare decisis) are fairly limiting. Taxing can occur for general welfare, and that justification has been used to provide for education/Department of Education, among other things. This will be the first time, IIRC, that taxation will occur for reasons of individual health. (You still have to pay a tax even if you enroll your child in a private school, or homeschool them - from what I recall, you don't get to "opt out" if you don't have children, or if you educate them outside of the public school system, the way you can escape the ACA tax if you already have insurance.) Simultaneously during oral arguments, it was argued that the ACA WAS NOT a tax due to the Anti-Injunction Act (because you must first pay the tax and then sue for a refund, so the ACA-as-tax would not have been able to be heard in court until after the first tax was paid) but WAS a tax (third reason it was argued as constitutional, after the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause failed to satisfy - this reasoning ultimately prevailed).

    One commonly-held viewpoint is that if Congress can venture into new territory by laying this tax upon the American people, then the sky is the limit. It's not so much what is happening right now, but the precedent that this sets for the future. If you can be taxed for NOT buying something - even if you have enough cash and opt to not carry health insurance, instead choosing to pay your bills in cash - then that is fairly across the board. If all of Congress decides that we need to buy GM automobiles to save an industry, it is argued, what stops them from taxing us if we do not?

    There's definitely more that goes into this (Bill Whittle has a great video) but I just wanted to explain a bit. It's not just "yay free healthcare" despite how it may appear on the surface. (Also, there's a correlation between federal student loans and the cost of college tuition. It wouldn't surprise me if health care costs go a similar way.)
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