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WDYT? 18 yr old girl and 55 yr old man?

Sorry this is so long, but there's a lot of detail to get the whole story...

Last November, my fiance's 18 year old cousin (“Jane”) brought a 55 year old man to Thanksgiving dinner. She insisted he was a "family friend". Everyone thought it was weird and the guy gave off a major creep-vibe.

This weekend, we found out that Jane is 6 months pregnant and plans to marry this guy. We also discovered some news articles about him because it is a big scandal in their town. He began a “friendship” with Jane when he was her 48-year-old principal and she was in 6th grade. Apparently, he considered himself to be a mentor to her because her father was not around and she had a troubling past (her uncle molested her). Teachers have told the media that he treated her differently than other students.

Last June, when she turned 18 and graduated high school, they started being openly affectionate to each other in public. A few months ago, the school district paid for him to attend a conference. He left 30 minutes after it started to spend time with Jane, but returned later to attend the cocktail hour with Jane as his “date”. They also arrived hand-in-hand at a school-related event and that he was “grabbing” at her and showing a lot of physical affection.

After these incidents, the school district began looking into the allegations that he was having an inappropriate relationship with Jane. The sheriff’s office found no illegal activity, although some say one of the deputies is a friend of Mr. Creep and that’s why no charges were filed. One article did state that they found pornography and video clips of a scantily clad 12-year-old Brooke Shields on his school computer. The school district decided to terminate him as superintendent (but allowed him to “resign” instead).

The guy used to be a Baptist minister and recently left his wife of 30 years to be with Jane. He is old enough to be her grandfather. Jane and the creep insist that their relationship did not become romantic until she turned 18, and thus he has not done anything wrong. However, he did admit that he had romantic feelings when she was a minor, but did not have sex with her until she was 18 (which I don’t believe, by the way). I think he preyed on Jane when she was only 13 years old and took advantage of her. It is true that she is an adult now and can date whomever she wishes, but it’s not like she met him when she was 18 and began dating him (although that would still be weird).

The family is split over this. Although we all agree he is a creep, some family members believe in supporting Jane no matter what and welcoming this guy into the family. They are afraid that if we don’t accept Mr. Creep, that Jane will drift away from us. Others (including my fiancé and myself) want to show Jane that we support her and the baby, but that this guy will never be allowed to attend family functions. We do not feel that we can treat this man like a member of the family and allow this pedophile to be around our children.

What would you do in this situation? Welcome him into the family and treat him like a normal husband of Jane’s, or tell Jane that he is not welcome and risk “losing” her? I am curious to hear opinions from people who would accept him into the family to get a different perspective.
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    That is just....wow..

    I don't know how I feel about it. Honestly it kind of makes me sick that a 40 year old was lusting after after a 6th grader and thinking of acting inappropriately back then. I highly doubt that the romantic feelings just suddenly popped up when she became 18 and weren't there before.

    I do wonder about her motives for this relationship as well though. I mean, if you are 19 and marrying someone 30 years older you aren't exactly expecting to grow old with them, you know?
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    Well, he's not really old enough to be her grandfather.  I mean, I guess technically he IS but I think that's a little extreme.

    That age difference is not my thing, but what really bothers me is that they clearly had a relationship before she was 18.

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    This is tough - I do think age is mostly just a number and that you can't help who you fall in love with.

    But also... this entire situation is extremely creepy and weirds me the eff out.

    I have a sister who is 19, and if she brought home someone who was the same age as my dad it would bother the shiit out of me.  Sure, age is just a number.  And I even get the allure of dating an older man.  But that old?

    What could a 55 year old guy possibly have in common with a teenager?

    AND SHE'S HAVING HIS BABY?

    I would love and support my sister no matter what.  But that doesn't mean I'd have to like the situation, nor would it mean that I would like her man.  Could I be nice and civil to him?  Certainly.  I could also maim him in my mind.

    This whole thing is disgusting.  Truly.
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    That's...a little weird. I mean, my FI was graduating high school when I was in 1st grade, and I'm still creeped out by that.

    I'd probably do what you suggested. I'd happily support Jane and her baby, but there's no way I could ever be okay with or comfortable around a guy that was attracted to a 12 year old at 48.
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    Gross.
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    I would creeped out by this as well. It just sounds like he took advantage of her and her childhood experience. I can't imagine an 18-year-old sharing the same maturity level as a 55-year-old former high school principal.

    But, she's now legally an adult and procreating. So I'm not sure there's much you can do but tolerate this really strange situation.
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    This kinda reminds me of Mary Kay Letourneau, too. 

    She had two babies with her underaged student and after she got done with her prison term, she married the kid.
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    I would look at it like this.  I'd want to stand up for my family member no matter what.  She's already pregnanct with his baby (and it's interesting that they came "out" after she was).  Turning away from her now would only cause her more harm.  So I'd probably stick by her, and privately loath Mr. Creepy.  I's also be vry concerned about the health and safety of that baby, as Mr. Creepy already has some very elastic boundaries to be that interested in a then-13 year old.
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    An 18 year old isn't considering that much of the future, katie. She hasn't even realized they won't be spending eternity together. He's her father figure, and she's been abused by him and mindfucked until all she thinks she needs in the world is this asshole.

    This entire situation is heartbreaking. I can't understand why he'd ever be allowed to be her mentor at 12 in the first place. If your daughter needs a mentor or authority figure, it doesn't need to be a 48yr old man in any case. I think I'm really protective in these situations, though. My girls don't hang out with men of any age on a regular basis, trusted or not.

    Saying anything to her at this point will lead nowhere, and she will distance herself from anyone not supporting her decisions. But if I was in your family I'd probably say something and take the risk. Sweeping it under the rug and pretending it's not a horrific thing is not going to help anyone.
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    That's super awkward.

    I have to say that I would unconsciously distance myself from the situation. I think it's easier because she's a cousin. I wouldn't invite them over or anything but I'd keep in contact with her through FB or email. I don't know, but this could end very badly and she needs to have some support.

    She has not thought this one through. When she's 38, she could be changing his diapers.
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    I'd also be interested to know her intentions.  I mean, I get that love is love and all that jazz, but she won't be that old when he dies and she HAS to realize that.  I don't think I'd be a fan. 

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    Once the "bloom is off the rose" so to speak, and she realizes she's with someone that age, and he realizes he's with someone who want's to go party in clubs, watch Jersey Shore all the time, and he wants to watch reruns of The Honeymooners, the issues will arise.
    An age difference is not a problem. An age difference when one is a teen and one is old (er) enough to be her father is something else.

    I dated someone when I was 25 who was 43. When I look back on it, he just wanted to get married and start a family. I hadn't really lived yet. But, he bought be gifts, etc. and "wooed" me.  I'm his age now (well, 42), and OMG - I don't even know anything about the teens today.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_wdyt-18-yr-old-girl-55-yr-old-man?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:db72c525-cf2b-4ab0-8af1-259e848df273Post:462b9aaf-862a-41dd-9ecc-5308b7d8d516">Re: WDYT? 18 yr old girl and 55 yr old man?</a>:
    [QUOTE]I's also be vry concerned about the health and safety of that baby, as Mr. Creepy already has some very elastic boundaries to be that interested in a then-13 year old.
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    That was another thought of mine, as well. It's scary to think of what he could possibly do to their child. This guy is obviously sick.
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    I gagged reading the title of the post. Wow.
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    I would: welcome him into the family and treat him like a normal husband of Jane’s because she is 18 now and pregnant. So since there will be a child involved, Mr. Creep will be around forever and ever. I think it's gross but in time, she will probably regret the whole thing herself. So in the meantime, you have to support her because she's not just dating him casually, she's now tied to him in a way (because of the child).....
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    I'm so sorry that you and your family are going through this OP, and I really hope that everything turns out okay.

    The more I think about this whole thing the more I just don't understand.  When I was that age I know that the thought of this situation happening to me would NEVER cross my mind as something that was appropriate.

    I'm scared for her - and yeah, for her baby too. 
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    I think I woud let her know my concerns, and then tell her that whatever she decided is her choice and that you support that choice.  I wouldn't want her to feel like she couldn't come to anyone because they all hate her BF.  It will just drive her to him even more. 

    Even if you and everyone around you thinks this guy is creepy, she won't see it.  She's 18, she's not in the same mindset that we are.  In her mind, he's the guy that has saved her from all of the horrible things in her life and she will keep saying that to herself even if he does something terrible to her.

    IMO, if there are any children in your family, I wouldn't leave them alone with him. 
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    Holy crap that is horrible.  I can't believe she's pregnant - that kid is going to be messed up.
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    I would definitely offer support to Jane because she's 18, unmarried and pregnant, which is a very scary and difficult position to be in, whether she admits it or not.

    On the other hand (Mr. Creep), everyone else has been so levelheaded in their advice.  I would probably pull him aside and say something along the lines of "I know exactly what you are and if you go near any of the other young girls in our family, I will punch you in the ball sac. Oh, and I WILL keep an eye on your kid, as well."
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    I don't get involved with family that do things I consider bad, poor judgement or that make me feel awkward; this would fall into all three categories, so I'd personally let her do her thing and not be around her and her grandpa/boyfriend.  They'll either be divorced or he'll be dead in a few years anyway so you can deal with it then lol.

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    First off, Bec has covered a very good portion of what I'm thinking.

    I'm finding it very hard to believe that they just so happened to not discover their romantic feelings for each other until after she was 18. A while back, DH's friend started "hanging out" with a girl who was 17, he was 26 at the time. They told everybody "oh, we're just really good friends ... who happen to go everywhere and do everything together by ourselves. But we're totally not dating or having sex. For realzies."

    Literally on her 18th birthday, they announced to everybody that they decided to start dating. That day. But, you know, it totally wasn't planned like that or anything. She's now 20, they recently broke up, and of course, it came out that while she was 17 they were "secretly" dating but didn't want him to get in trouble.


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    I think a LOT of this stems from the fact that her father wasn't around. Transposing much? I know I would personally be creeped out by that (at age 18 or beyond) because, well, my dad and I are not even 26 years apart. But hey, if I didn't have a relationship with my dad...
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    I also don't think that dude's career choice was a happy accident.
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    Well, the age thing doesn't bother me. My dad met my mom when she was 19, he was 53. They were together 40 years or so. I was born when he was 70 years old, and he unfortunately passed away a few years ago. He was 90.

    For my parents, it worked. And it wasn't about money, because he had none. He grew up through the depression, served in WW2, owned his own business and retired when I was really young. He wasn't "old" in the sense of the word. They traveled, were really active in the community together, played tons of sports, were always out having fun. 

    BUT, their situation was abnormal. Relationships with huge age differences usually don't work. My dad always supported my mom; he helped her pay for college and waited until she graduated and had a job before they ever thought about getting married (or having a kid).

    This situation, though, is really different. It's beyond creepy, because as much as you'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt that nothing illegal happened, it's really hard to believe. I'd stay out of it, to be honest. I'd rather support her and have her be around, than not and risk her alienating the family. You don't have to be nice to this guy, you just have to tolerate him for as long as he will be around.

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    i think "Jane" needs to talk to a therapist to help her realize how volatile this relationship is (she should have been seeing a therapist at 12 to help her cope with the molestation by her uncle).  This man is obviously demonstrating predatory tendancies by having ANY sort of extra relationshipship with a 12-year-old when he was 48.  Clearly, he took advantage of a girl who had had been molested and used his age and fatherly figure status to gain her trust and create a relationship (which i don't believe for a second remained non-sexual until she was 18).  I wouldn't be surprised if he manipulated her into getting pregnant as a way that they could make their relationship public and still be 'accepted' by her family.  she is young and believes herself to be in love, but this man is clearly a sick-minded man with a fetish for little girls.

    as her family, you obviously need to stand by her, because i wouldn't second-guess his control over her that if her family didn't accept him, that they should "run away" together and never speak to you guys again.  however, i think you need to try to reason with her and get her to talk to a therapist about her childhood and how her infatuation with him began.  if i were this girls father, i would seriously consider beating the crap out of a 55 year old man that got my 18 year old daughter pregnant (although that may be counter-productive) i absolutely would NOT let him around family functions and i would speak to him in private about how very creepy and sickening he is as a human.
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    I agree with you and your FI about being supportive of her as a young mother but not getting involved with bf/"daddy."  Maybe give her diapers at the baby shower and a subscription to a parenting magazine, but if they get married I wouldn't go to that wedding.  I also wouldn't want that man to be around any minors in the family.

    There was a marriage with an age gap that size in my family but the woman was a gold digger who hadn't just become legal and the circumstances weren't as creepy.  Needless to say it didn't work and I don't think anyone was ever close to her.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_wdyt-18-yr-old-girl-55-yr-old-man?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:db72c525-cf2b-4ab0-8af1-259e848df273Post:5372fe09-00d0-4d00-af99-496cf876fdf2">Re: WDYT? 18 yr old girl and 55 yr old man?</a>:
    [QUOTE]I don't get involved with family that do things I consider bad, poor judgement or that make me feel awkward; this would fall into all three categories, so I'd personally let her do her thing and not be around her and her grandpa/boyfriend.  They'll either be divorced or <strong>he'll be dead in a few years anyway so you can deal with it then lol</strong>.
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    I know I'm being totally over sensitive with this, considering my family situation, but I didn't really find that funny. The chances that this baby is going to grow up without a father is really, really high: they separate, he passes away, some sort of abuse happens (god forbid).

    The whole situation is sad because given the information the OP provided us it seems like there is no good end. I dunno, like I said I'm being over sensitive cause my dad died, but this is a really serious situation and I just didn't find it funny.
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    Just the fact that he was paying "special attention" to her in the 6th grade makes me feel all kinds of wrong about it.

    Anyway, since she's so young, like PP have said, she's probably not thinking clearly, and like Bec pointed out, I'd put money on the fact that the guy (Her "father figure") has brainwashed her on some level into thinking that she needs him.

    But even without that, I can guarantee that 90% of the women in this thread did something incredibly stupid at her age, because we were all "so smart" and "nobody understood". I think if you all make a big deal about not supporting the relationship, she's going to stubbornly try even harder to make it work out.

    The best thing you can probably do is try being encouraging to her building up some self-esteem (Counseling of some sort), and figuring out who she is as an individual ... and if the relationship goes to crap (It probably will) just be there to help her pick up the pieces.


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    The whole mindfuck aspect of this is what disturbs me. He's been grooming her for this since she was a child. She never had a chance. She is probably quite literally brainwashed by him. That's so sad.

    I'd be torn as well, but I'd likely take the stand that he is not someone that I would want in my family. I would try to get Jane into counselling and if the therapist felt she was "healthy" enough to make this type of decision, I might think otherwise, but until then, it would not be something I would support.

    Where was her mother in all this? How was she allowed to establish a relationship with this guy?

    And if he's truly attracted to young girls, what happens when she grows up and no longer holds the appeal for him?
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