Experimental Themed FFF

nickandmerritt · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Experimental Themed FFF : Thank you! My problem with the presidency is the lack of respect. I am so tired of hearing "respect my President" (regarding Obama)... but the same people completely disrespect Bush. I get it, people take their sides and that's okay.. that's the beauty of America. But, no matter what "side" your on, a President is a President and deserves respect... even in its simpliest forms. I will give "your president" the same respect you gave "mine". I would also like to say that a "perfect" president is as common as a "perfect person"... there's no such thing. I think that given what Bush knew and what he had to work with.. he did a great job.
Posted by bsn1752[/QUOTE]

Don't these two statements contradict each other?

juliebug1997 · October 2010

I think it depends on who you talk to. Some people can be respectful when talking about the previous administration and you can talk respectfully about the current one.

mseale · October 2010

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[QUOTE] I think our governor's race this year is a bummer - I think we were left with poor choices due to a long combination of events (I've heard a lot about this and can shed some light if anyone is interested) - Posted by dianaslik[/QUOTE]

I'd like to hear! I was so disappointed when Perry got the party nomination.

Brianna - I agree. Bush did not make all the right decisions, but I felt like he tried to explain them, and he made them based on what was best for the country. I always just felt he was upfront and real.

I don't think most politicians are in it for what's best for the country. Nor do I think they look at what is best for their party. I think they look at things and think "what is the best thing to get me re-elected?" So what if we put our country into trillions of dollars of debt. By the time that comes back to collapse the country, I will be long out of power. It will get me and my buddies re-elected now. This is not a Democratic or Republican thing, they all do it.

bsn1752 · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Experimental Themed FFF : Don't these two statements contradict each other?
Posted by nickandmerritt[/QUOTE]

Yes... the 2nd statement was sarcasm... sorry, I know it's hard to portray online!

MissAngel · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Experimental Themed FFF : Don't these two statements contradict each other?
Posted by nickandmerritt[/QUOTE]

maybe she said she would give the same respect to "your president" as she would to her own meaning... she would treat every president like her own... ??

EDIT: it sounded like sarcasm.. but I wasn't sure... sorry brianna... didn't mean to step on toes :)

Tiffany618 · October 2010

I don't respect Obama anymore. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he has completely lost every ounce I was once able to muster.

Sorry.

bsn1752 · October 2010

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[QUOTE]I don't respect Obama anymore. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he has completely lost every ounce I was once able to muster. Sorry.
Posted by Tiffany618[/QUOTE]

Outward showing of disrespect... i.e. calling Bush a redneck moron.

That's the kind of disrespect I'm talking about.

Tiffany618 · October 2010

LOL, I have a few choice (and admittedly inappropriate) things to say about Obama... not gonna lie... but I keep it within my circle of friends.

At least I did TRY to like him though.

nickandmerritt · October 2010

I thought this video was hilarious. I'm more left-leaning than not, so of course that made me more sympathetic. But I figured I'd post it here anyway, b/c whether you're liberal, conservative, moderate or whatever, I think we can agree that there are people on all sides who caricature their party's values by repeating empty talking points without researching what they're talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnUfPQVOqpw&feature=share

bellagrace · October 2010

I would never call Bush a redneck because he really is not from Texas. I from West TX so I really know, but who does not want to fake their from our great state. I think most people didn't like President Bush's policy not the man. Remember there is a difference. I don't know why people don't like "President" Obama. I think it has a lot to do with the tea party antics and people not giving a chance to have a change. But, I guess everyone has their reasons.

nickandmerritt · October 2010

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[QUOTE]I would never call Bush a redneck because he really is not from Texas. I from West TX so I really know, but who does not want to fake their from our great state. I think most people didn't like President Bush's policy not the man. Remember there is a difference. I don't know why people don't like "President" Obama. I think it has a lot to do with the tea party antics and people not giving a chance to have a change. But, I guess everyone has their reasons.
Posted by bellagrace[/QUOTE]

I'm confused by so many things about your post, but mostly curious why you put "president" in quotation marks.

bellagrace · October 2010

I put quatations because no one ever (I am not referring to this board) refers to Obama as President Obama. I think a lot of people didn't give President Obama a chance from the beginning and just wanted to see him fail.

juliebug1997 · October 2010

Bush was refered to as "W" by a lot of people who didn't mean it in a cute or endearing way. Kind of like when my ILs call my dad a character. It was meant to be rude.

dianaslik · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Experimental Themed FFF : I'd like to hear! I was so disappointed when Perry got the party nomination. Posted by mseale[/QUOTE]

I had the pleasure of listening to some individuals that work for a contract campaign company (specializing in R) - plus I'm a nerd who likes to talk politics (in safe circles) and listent to talk radio - and I've learned a thing or 2 in grad school...

Perry is pretty much a master campaigner (and he hires the right campaign folks)... Do people particularly like him? A lot tend toward "no" (even in his own party) - but he successfully manages to make himself not necessarily the candidate you "want" but makes the other candidate LESS desirable. Kind of a crazy (and sad) tactic - but successful (and impressive).

I happened to be at Basic training during the primary, BUT I know the biggest issues I heard about Huchison was that she wasn't where people wanted her to be - people complained when she was at fancy fundraising events because she wasn't in DC acting as a Senator - then it seems she didn't promote herself enough as a committed candidate because she WAS in DC. I just don't think the public ever saw her as a Governor - but liked her as a Senator...
Interestingly, the speaker I heard did work on her primary campaign, and Perry's ability to make the opponent less desirable (as opposed to making himself more desirable) was his key in the primary as well.
Medina seemed interesting, but was doomed in the media from the start it seems - between either ignoring her or doing hack jobs on her, she was just screwed (she seemed like a candidate I may have voted for, but also understand there were some weird comments that I missed while I was at Basic...)
Unfortunately, campaign styles (MONEY and media) have made it sometimes difficult for other, possibly more desirable, candidates to enter races higher up on the ballot.

Further, the political specialists I heard from also are saying that Perry will win this election -
What issues is he talking about? The economy & immigration.
What are the top 2 issues right now in the country/state? The economy & immigration.
What is Bill White talking about? primarily education, and getting away from Perry... as the trending sentiment is to distrust Dem approach to the economy right now (on a national level) and, in general, a lot of folks don't trust Dems on immigration, those are issues he can't effectively address (and in his campaign, is safer staying away from)

Despite the fact that there is a great deal of "anti-incumbency" attitude right now - it was reported this morning that Perry is up 12 points in the polls (with a margin of error of less than 4 - yes this matters)

Your Perry fact for the day: He used to work for Al Gore. Seriously.

Sorry that was long... Hope that helps a bit.

TexanTreasure08 · October 2010

All I'm gonna say is that he's only been in office for 18 months! A lot of people are complaining that he hasn't done enough, but he has done a lot in the short time he's been in power. He's made housing more affordable by putting into effect a program that can help reduce your mortgage payments temporarily while you're injured, helped people who have lost their jobs to be able to afford their COBRA insurance premiums (that's gonna include me soon!), and limited the abuse of the credit card companies that jack up your interest rates for no reason & with no warning.

About the health care bill, this shouldn't affect anyone here because if you currently have medical insurance you will keep what you already have. It will just make it easier for people without insurance to get it, and if they have to go through a process to get treated, at least that's better than no treatment! It will greatly help reduce the load on our ERs by making sure that patients get help before it is emergent! The majority of people that go to the hospital I used to work at have no insurance & you have to treat them at the ER regardless. So the hospital never gets paid and everyone's taxes go up to pay for them! I don't see how this hurts anyone on here that already has their own health insurance.

Like I said, he's only been there for 18 months, let's at least give him 4 years before you throw in the towel. We gave George W 8 years! And I was very respectful of him even though I didn't agree with what he was doing. I am very sad that no one respects Obama now and has all sorts of nasty names for him. If redneck is the worst you got for GW, I don't think that is that bad.

nickandmerritt · October 2010

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[QUOTE]All I'm gonna say is that he's only been in office for 18 months! A lot of people are complaining that he hasn't done enough, but he has done a lot in the short time he's been in power. He's made housing more affordable by putting into effect a program that can help reduce your mortgage payments temporarily while you're injured, helped people who have lost their jobs to be able to afford their COBRA insurance premiums (that's gonna include me soon!), and limited the abuse of the credit card companies that jack up your interest rates for no reason & with no warning. About the health care bill, this shouldn't affect anyone here because if you currently have medical insurance you will keep what you already have. It will just make it easier for people without insurance to get it, and if they have to go through a process to get treated, at least that's better than no treatment! It will greatly help reduce the load on our ERs by making sure that patients get help before it is emergent! The majority of people that go to the hospital I used to work at have no insurance & you have to treat them at the ER regardless. So the hospital never gets paid and everyone's taxes go up to pay for them! I don't see how this hurts anyone on here that already has their own health insurance. Like I said, he's only been there for 18 months, let's at least give him 4 years before you throw in the towel. We gave George W 8 years! And I was very respectful of him even though I didn't agree with what he was doing. I am very sad that no one respects Obama now and has all sorts of nasty names for him. If redneck is the worst you got for GW, I don't think that is that bad.
Posted by TexanTreasure08[/QUOTE]

Exactly! Thanks for saying this, I"m surprised by the number of people who spout off ridiculous things about the bill without actually reading it.

bsn1752 · October 2010

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[QUOTE]I would never call Bush a redneck because he really is not from Texas. I from West TX so I really know, but who does not want to fake their from our great state. I think most people didn't like President Bush's policy not the man. Remember there is a difference. I don't know why people don't like "President" Obama. I think it has a lot to do with the tea party antics and people not giving a chance to have a change. But, I guess everyone has their reasons.
Posted by bellagrace[/QUOTE]

Since when did Redneck = Texan?

Jay&Marissa · October 2010

I don't anyone knows enough about what the healthcare bill will do yet...though Jay keeps hearing from Doctor's at the med school that they are going to retire when it goes into full effect in 2014.

I don't think it is "Socialist" health care, but I sure wouldn't want a system like Britain's anyway.

juliebug1997 · October 2010

When a doctor from Britain tells you that he won't be able to do the work he came to the US to do under the new healthcare plan, I think I'd trust his opinion. He knows what he's talking about.

And just because you have health insurance doesn't mean that Obamacare doesn't affect you. My dad's medicare coverage will go down in order to pay for it. He's on a fixed income. Where do you think he's going to get the money to pay for all his hospital visits that he's endured recently? President Obama and the Clintons won't be footing the bill and the congressmen and women certainly won't either. In fact, they'll be getting the same coverage as they currently get while the rest of us (I've already seen it in my insurance benefits for next year and in my husband's) are getting less coverage for larger premiums. If this is supposed to make everyone's lives better, I haven't seen it yet.

I read things. I'm not stupid. Left. Right. I guess everyone spouts.

TexanTreasure08 · October 2010

Actually it's going to be paid with a tax on investment income for families making more than $250,000 per year or $200,000 for individuals. Is that you or your family? Also with a 10% tax on tanning beds. It's also going to help Medicare by closing the Medicare prescription drug donut hole and giving seniors a 50% discount on brand name medications. It will also prevent insurance companies from denying coverage based on preexisting coverage (a HUGE problem BTW for kids with chronic conditions).

I don't see any evidence in your post. Just hearsay from a doctor from Britain and your own assumptions that are unfounded.

& higher premiums with less coverage? That's nothin' new, I've had that happen every year, even before "Obamacare."

dianaslik · October 2010

Here is my take on it at the end of the day (health care) as I'm not going to battle on the technicalities/logistics:
-there is no "right" to health insurance (and that is precisely what this bill is about - not health care)
-the bill makes it a requirement to have health insurance, or pay a fine - I just don't see where the government has the power to force the citizenry to purchase a product (insurance) or punish for choosing not to

The only reason I have health insurance currently is because I get a discounted policy as a member of the National Guard... I lived without for about a year - during which I was unemployed for almost all of that year, and was in a bad car wreck. So, I do know what it's like not having coverage/having a lapse in coverage, and going through a somewhat traumatic event.

nickandmerritt · October 2010

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[QUOTE]When a doctor from Britain tells you that he won't be able to do the work he came to the US to do under the new healthcare plan, I think I'd trust his opinion. He knows what he's talking about. And just because you have health insurance doesn't mean that Obamacare doesn't affect you. My dad's medicare coverage will go down in order to pay for it. He's on a fixed income. Where do you think he's going to get the money to pay for all his hospital visits that he's endured recently? President Obama and the Clintons won't be footing the bill and the congressmen and women certainly won't either. In fact, they'll be getting the same coverage as they currently get while the rest of us (I've already seen it in my insurance benefits for next year and in my husband's) are getting less coverage for larger premiums. If this is supposed to make everyone's lives better, I haven't seen it yet. I read things. I'm not stupid. Left. Right. I guess everyone spouts.
Posted by juliebug1997[/QUOTE]

There are also doctors who support health care reform, the PPACA, or one or both of these. In case you're curious about the AMA's actual position on the PPACA, here's an FAQ from their website.
<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/399/hsr-3590-faq.pdf">http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/399/hsr-3590-faq.pdf</a>

The AMA actually maintains that the Act won't cause a rise in insurance premiums. The rise of costs and decrease in coverage that you are seeing is most likely an effect of the current state of the economy, unemployed and uninsured people who are defaulting on hospital bills, and the always exponentially rising cost of health care and medical technology. Who do you think is footing the bill for uninsured people right now? Your dad is already paying for these things through higher costs of care.

[Edited to add] I was mistaken, there is a provision to make cuts to Medicare. Which sucks. I'm not convinced that this wouldn't have happened with or without Obama though because of the enormous cuts that have to be made to social security after all the deficit and defense spending. More people will also be eligible for Medicaid though, so I'm not sure, but people who are truly hit hard by Medicare cuts may be able to apply for funding that way. (And PS, I don't think it's a perfect bill either, but I disagree with some of the sweeping generalizations you are making about it.)

I'm not saying that you don't read things or have good reasons for your views. But you haven't explained those views here, so I can't really evaluate them. You are making broad generalizations and strong claims about causal relationships here without evidence.

nickandmerritt · October 2010

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[QUOTE]Here is my take on it at the end of the day (health care) as I'm not going to battle on the technicalities/logistics: -there is no "right" to health insurance (and that is precisely what this bill is about - not health care ) -the bill makes it a requirement to have health insurance, or pay a fine - I just don't see where the government has the power to force the citizenry to purchase a product (insurance) or punish for choosing not to The only reason I have health insurance currently is because I get a discounted policy as a member of the National Guard... I lived without for about a year - during which I was unemployed for almost all of that year, and was in a bad car wreck. So, I do know what it's like not having coverage/having a lapse in coverage, and going through a somewhat traumatic event.
Posted by dianaslik[/QUOTE]

The government "forces" things on people when the absence of enforcement causes a threat or risk to public health and/or financial well being. In other words liberty is restricted when the costs of not restricting liberty outweigh the costs of restricting it. You may disagree with this political philosophy, but this is the philosophy structuring the US constitution.

You may also disagree with the position that the high numbers of uninsured and/or impoverished people with little to no access to adequate health care pose a significant threat to others. But consider the fact that when people don't have access to treat and diagnose communicable illnesses that are easily treatable, they are more likely to spread these diseases to other people. Also, without access to preventive care, uninsured people are more likely to have to receive costly emergency treatment that could have been avoided at a much lower cost through preventive care. And when uninsured people can't afford to pay astronomical emergency care bills, hospitals' resources are compromised, meaning that you will receive lower quality care and you will pay more for it.

tiffnrich2010 · October 2010

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[QUOTE]I don't respect Obama anymore. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he has completely lost every ounce I was once able to muster. Sorry.
Posted by Tiffany618[/QUOTE]

THIS---

juliebug1997 · November 2010

Once again, everyone spouts. You believe what you want, I'll keep believing what I hear and see as I spend yet another day in the hospital with my dad and hear his doctors talk and see the bills go from nothing to several thousand dollars all of a sudden.

TexanTreasure08 · November 2010

You do realize that the new health care bill doesn't go into effect until 2014, right? The crazy high price is how it's been for a very long time. My 2 day stay in the hospital is costing me a few thousand too, and that's after my insurance pays about 90% of it. It's pretty ridiculous already, that's what they're trying to fix.

And I wasn't spouting, I actually got that (my previous post) from the bill.

juliebug1997 · November 2010

Parts of the bill go into effect THIS January.

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