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He doesn't want to get married (yet)

Hi everyone, I am new here. So I've been with my boyfriend for 2 and a half years. 
We moved in together after 4 months and really have been through a lot since then. I would have never move in after being together this short with anyone else before, but there was not a doubt it would work. 

It just feels right, it has from the very beginning. I would really like to take the next step and finally get married, he's not convinced. His main reason is money- we need to be financially secure first, we couldn't even afford the wedding I dream of right now(which is true) and we have to sort out all sorts of issues in our lives. 
He is always big about financial security, with everything. I don't necessarily see how that's related to getting married, though.  But I know it's his main reason. Wedding doesn't HAVE to be big, also we could save up for it. There definitely are some issues that should rather be sorted out (cutting of my abusive parents, dealing with out friends situation which is not all too great right now since a lot of people moved away and with others we just kind of parted ways), but I don't think there will ever be a time where there are no issues to be sorted out. 

I told him I'd like to make him officially mine :) and he told me a wedding was no guarantee it would work. I know that, but still I want to do it! I want the big party, but mire importantly, I want the commitment ceremony, I want to be a unit, share one name and be legally responsible for each other. At this point, my parents would still be called about life and death situations if I had an accident or something, but I want the person I feel closest to to be responsible in that kind of situation. 
He also hates being the center of attention, and I think one uber-boring wedding we recently attended didn't help.I told him we could compromise on a smaller wedding.

I know it's not the commitment that scares him, he said he'd be open to having children very soon. I want to get married first, though. 

I jokingly asked him one time how much money I would have to make before he could marry me. I know though it's not about how much money I have, but how much WE have, he wouldn't care if it was all his. But this money fixation annoys me. It's one the only 2 big issues we have. 

Yesterday we talked about this and he said he felt pressure and didn't feel comfortable. I, on the other hand, do not want to feel like I have to force him to do it. He also always said we both need to graduate school first, which he did (business school), I'm still working on my thesis. He started working his first "real"job this month. I can somehow see how he wants things to be settled, but I mean, he did graduate already AND has a job, shouldn't take that much longer for me either. We're both 27 and live in Germany. (I just came on this board because I like American wedding a lot better!:) Also, I used to live in Fl). I think this is a good age to get married. I mean, I wouldn't get married just because of the age, was I single now, I wouldn't go out and look for guys desperately, but given the fact everything just works, I think it's a good age and probably pretty much the average over here. 

I definitely want to get married AND have my first child before I'm 30. I know making plans never works;), but that's my goal.

I don't even need a fancy proposal. We could just agree on getting married! (Funny thing, I know he thinks the proposal is important though;)) I DO want an American style engagement ring though;) (Ours are not that nice, traditionally they are the wedding band, which is a plain gold band, worn on the other hand before the wedding. I don't wear gold and I'm not plain. :) )

I should also mention his personality is to see the possible problems in anything, rather than the possibilities. He always thinks everything is soo complicated and needs to be prepared really well. I am the exact opposite- I used to never take care of anything in advance and have more of a "somehow it will all work out" attitude. The truth lies somewhere inbetween, I think, as my attitude got me into problems more than once, especially financially, but with too much of his attitude you'll never get to enjoy life. I think this is a big part of his hesitation, too. 

So, what would you do? Just wait? Until when?
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    tuarceathatuarceatha member
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    edited December 2011
    Good morning, miamary!

    That is too much to read, but I felt like the internet left you hanging for several hours, so I wanted to greet you.

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    miamarymiamary member
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    Hi jenjennifer!

    I know, after posting I realized how long this is. Should I shorten it?
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    Blue & WhiteBlue & White member
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    Miamary,

    I actually read the whole thing (mostly!) and I agree with the boyfriend.  You really want to be in a financially secure situation before you get married, and this is really for more practical reasons.  Most divorces and unhappy marriages are fighting about money issues and it's really hard to change your ideas about money.  It just is.

    Plus, you've got other things to figure out before the wedding. 

    So I'd sit back, relax, join us in some NEY conversation, and chill on the ring for now.

    And from your last line, I just want to say...do NOT give him an ultimatum.  It'll only make things worse.


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    miamarymiamary member
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    Thank you for reading. 

    Now what exactly does the term "financially secure" imply? 
    I personally have next to nothing, since I was seriously addicted to shopping for a long time (this is a real problem, not a "I like shoes too much" problem). 

    He has a good amount of money in stocks and a house that will be his one day since he's an only child, also a secure monthly income. 

    I feel kind of bad I don't really bring anything to the table at this point, but I do work (part-time) and make a decent income for a part time job. 

    We're both not in debt at all. 

    I just wonder how much he needs before he thinks it's possible. When asked about this, he just says "I want to be secure".


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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_doesnt-want-married-yet?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:068095e7-e51b-41c6-9451-243f5faaea6bPost:211d82ec-6240-426d-9584-dc8210d1e187">Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet)</a>:
    [QUOTE]Now what exactly does the term "financially secure" imply?  I just wonder how much he needs before he thinks it's possible. When asked about this, he just says "I want to be secure".
    Posted by miamary[/QUOTE]

    At that moment, ask him what he considers 'secure'. Everyone's idea of 'secure' is very different.

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    edited December 2011
    Morgen!  Ich bin grade aufgestanden, also, tut mir Leid.  Wo genau in Deutschland?

    I agree with your BF as well.  Finances are a huge problem in a lot of marriages.  Seriously, if I had a nickle for every time I heard my parents screaming at each other about money growing up...I think financial security is different for everyone.  If you've been together two years, perhaps you need to sit down and talk about where you are financially, where you're going, and what you both need to do to get there.  For me, financial security is the ability to pay all of my bills every month while living on my own and still have the ability to put money into savings.  But more importantly, it's about knowing that if something happens, I won't be completely wiped out.

    Issue Nr. 2.  It sounds like you're fixating a LOT on the wedding thing.  Seriously, chill it out.  Things I gathered from my time in Germany?  Couples don't just get married like they do over here.  I suppose that's part of what I miss.  People are together for years and years and years before marriage even comes up.  I have 2 friends who have been together...5 years now, and they live together, they've gone to school, but they just aren't there yet.  I always got the impression that the decision to actually get married is a long process.  Because commitment is taken seriously.  Like, crazy serious.  

    Stick with this rule: every time you bring up an engagement, you've pushed it back 6 months.  Do not give your BF an ultimatum.  That's bad news bears.  At the same time, however, do sit down and talk to him about what he needs for financial security and what he sees in your future.  Do this without being crazy about weddings, and you'll probably be surprised.

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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_doesnt-want-married-yet?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:068095e7-e51b-41c6-9451-243f5faaea6bPost:23a39a9f-5581-4104-8ec0-8a90fd4f6f24">Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet)</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet) : At that moment, ask him what he considers 'secure'. Everyone's idea of 'secure' is very different.
    Posted by ahstillwell[/QUOTE]

    I agree.
    And I also agree that you don't want to pressure him in any way. If you do, you will most likely regret it later because it wasn't his choice to make if you are pushing him into it in any way. Finances are a huge thing and a lot of stress for people. I can understand why he wants to make sure that you both won't have to struggle with it. Either way, married/engaged or not, you're with the man you love, so enjoy the time you have with him. Good luck!
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    Honestly, it sounds like your BF isn't quite ready to get married & pushing him into it will only end badly.  Just because you want to be married & have a kid in the next 3 years doesn't mean he necessarily is ready for that.  

    "Financially secure" is something only the two of you can come to an agreement on, it can mean something different to each person.  If you're ready to marry this guy you should be able to have that sort of conversation with him also. 



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    paintgirlpaintgirl member
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    Are you dating my bf? GASP! He's cheating on me! Just kidding. But I understand where you are coming from. My bf is a total perfectionist. Everything has to be "right' for him to propose. Guess what - everything is never right. He will also look at a situation and find every possible thing that could go wrong. I look at a situation and think, "What's the worst that could happen?" and then I usually do it, unless the "worst" is loss of life or limb.

    So I get it. But it sounds like you're sort of badgering him about getting married. You say you don't want him to feel pressured, so just drop it for awhile. If it's critical to you to be married within a certain period of time (which I think is weird, by the way), tell him that. "I'd really like to be married within the next x years. Is that what you're thinking too, or do you have something else in mind?" Once that conversation is done, don't bring up marriage again for awhile (and I mean MONTHS, not a day or two). And based on his answer you can decide - stay or go.

    My bf and I have been together a little longer than you. We've lived together for a year and a half. We're both older than you two. We're "financially secure". And I still haven't had this conversation with him because ... when it happens isn't a real big deal to me. It will eventually. I just enjoy what we have now.

    Good luck!
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    You just have to wait until he is ready. Both people need to be ready 100%. I do agree with you about being married first. Your BF sounds a lot like mine. And you sound a lot like me, LOL. I agree with PPs but know how you feel. Hang in there! Tell us more about yourself! How did you get to Germany from Florida? What are your hobbies? Can i come visit you in Germany? Hehe :) Welcome!
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_doesnt-want-married-yet?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:068095e7-e51b-41c6-9451-243f5faaea6bPost:bf15cdf6-646c-4125-82ce-c91bb6d8704e">Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet)</a>:
    [QUOTE]Honestly, it sounds like your BF isn't quite ready to get married & pushing him into it will only end badly.  Just because you want to be married & have a kid in the next 3 years doesn't mean he necessarily is ready for that.   "Financially secure" is something only the two of you can come to an agreement on, it can mean something different to each person.  If you're ready to marry this guy you should be able to have that sort of conversation with him also. 
    Posted by rdr716[/QUOTE]



    Well put rdr. Completely in agreement
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    edited December 2011
    So...your BF thinks you're financially secure enough to have children in the near future, but not financially secure enough to get married?

    *Insert Mutley's WTF sign*

    Children are a lot more expensive than weddings.  I will say, though, that your FI has some points about needing to be in the right place financially to get married, especially if you want a "big party" and a diamond engagement ring.  Depending on where you live, "big party" weddings can cost you an EASY $20,000 (and that's WITH cutting corners) and a diamond ring can range from a few hundred all the way up to dreamland.

    Your BF is right about those things.  But it sounds to me like he's dragging his feet.  He's using a lot of excuses that don't necessarily add up.  It sounds like he isn't ready for marriage.

    And you and ONLY YOU can decide when enough is enough.  Don't give him ultimatums.  It will never work out.  Either you can live with a guy who may never want to get married or you can't.  If you can't, it's a dealbreaker and you need to leave.  But like I said, don't start dishing out the ultimatums. 
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    DanieKADanieKA member
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    edited December 2011
    Welcome! 

    I ditto everything everyone else has said. From your post it seems like there's still so a lot that you guys need/want to do or accomplish before getting married. Valid reasons, not just things that could be used to stall, so to speak, like finishing school for you. Also, he's been at his job for a month. You act like that's enough time to get settled and save and be prepared for adult life and all the expenses that entails. It's not. If he wants to get used to his job and work for about a year, I'd totally understand. The transition from student to full time employment with all the responsibilities that goes with it is not something one gets used to in a month. Well, not enough to add in an "American Style" engagement and wedding, if he's already giving you clues he's not ready.

    Your fixation with American Style weddings does raise a small eyebrow. Yes, what you see on tv with all the bridal shows can be extravagant and fun. But like Peek said, the focus should really be on commitment. Not the big party and big American wedding you kept mentioning. Focus on that. Also, I've always wondered how many of those Big American Weddings people see end in divorce. My guess is more than you would think. A fancy wedding does not a marriage make. 

    If he's worth it, you'll respect his requests, which sound completely and totally fair right now, while keeping the lines of communication open. It's okay to tell him you'd like to get married. It's okay to discuss timelines. But he has very valid reasons to wait. This isn't a case of him stringing you along. Good luck!
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    QuiltingNurseQuiltingNurse member
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    Be patient. My Bf and I haven't been together very long, but we have lived together nearly the entire relationship (made the official decision not even a full month in). In this time we've bought a house, been through so many things, bought another car, acquired even more animals, and saved up enough money for quite a nice wedding. After all of this, he isn't ready. I understand completely where he is coming from. While I might be ready, he just isn't and wants to wait. Do I wish he was ready now? Absolutely, but it's not going to happen and I need to wait for him to catch up. Marriage is a big deal, not something to rush into. I've found that (most) men I know are more hesitant and it seems to be a financial thing with them. He may be worried about providing for your (someday) family, giving you the wedding you want, being able to buy a home once you are ready to buy, having enough of an income that if you can't work he would have enough for you, or the idea that if things don't work out he could lose everything.
    I think sitting down together and discussing all the possibilities financially, and figuring out where both of you are in the relationship is a good idea. There may be things that are holding him back or deeper reasons as to why he isn't ready to be married so soon. Also, don't pressure him. If he's not ready he's not ready and if you keep pushing for this he may resent you in the end for pushing him into something he's not ready for.
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    miamarymiamary member
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    Hey guys, 

    thank you all for reading my seriously long post. 

    Maybe it seems like it, but I'm really not that fixated on the wedding as it may seem. I think the last time I made an attempt to talk about it was some time in May, maybe?? I've been sick the last few days and had a lot of time to watch stupid movies and think about things, so it just came up again. 

    Also , the "American style" wedding. :) Maybe I should set that straight. I don't mean an American style $ 20000 wedding. I meant American style as in having bridesmaids in matching outfits, a nice cake and more of a party. 
    Traditional German wedding: get married at about lunch time- in a church or the city hall - get married with no bridesmaids or groomsmen, only two witnesses- skip lunch cause it's cheaper, that's why the wedding was scheduled at lunch time- sit and get bored and eat cake - wait for dinner- be happy when dinner's finally there- talk and drink for a little- be glad when you find an excuse to go home. At least, that sums up the weddings I've been to here. 

    What I mean by American style is- venue rather than church, since I am not religious, and by venue I do not mean city hall. Also do it at night so everyone will not have to be bored through the afternoon. Have bridesmaids in matching outfits, live music and a photographer to capture the  moments. Also, dancing! 
    It's going to be a lot cheaper than some of you think I think though. Officiant- usually free here. I've done quite a lot of modelling, so I know a ton of photographers. My sister's boyfriend is in a band. I really don't need a  4k dress. And so on. I was thinking more of a 5000€ budget. Also, I like the American style rings a lot better than ours (gold band). That doesn't mean it has to be expensive. That just means I like the style with the 2 rings a lot better.

     God, this is getting long again. Stopping here to split it up. So much to explain the American style wedding.
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    edited December 2011
    I agree that it sounds like you need to slow things down a little. I know it's really exciting to know you are with the person you want to be with forever. As women, we usually let the dreamy sentimental stuff take over the logical part of our brain (the part that recognizes financial stability) It can be very easy to get caught up in all this wedding fantasy without really knowing if your BF is on the same page. I think it's very possible that you have overwhelmed him with your big american wedding dreams and baby timeline (I know I'm a little overwhelmed just reading it)
    The best thing you can do is back off and not talk about it anymore. If you guys are in a solid relationship, the subject will come up again when the time is right for both of you.
    Good luck! :)
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    miamarymiamary member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_doesnt-want-married-yet?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:068095e7-e51b-41c6-9451-243f5faaea6bPost:07302d87-eae5-4e57-bee2-e0f6dcc5bd14">Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet)</a>:
    [QUOTE]You just have to wait until he is ready. Both people need to be ready 100%. I do agree with you about being married first. Your BF sounds a lot like mine. And you sound a lot like me, LOL. I agree with PPs but know how you feel. Hang in there! Tell us more about yourself! How did you get to Germany from Florida? What are your hobbies? Can i come visit you in Germany? Hehe :) Welcome!
    Posted by karlee4ever[/QUOTE]

    <div>It was an university exchange program! I wouldn't want to come here if I were you, it's freeeeeeezing. </div><div>
    </div><div>Question to everyone: Were you all so rational and sensible about getting engaged and married before you did?! Can hardly imagine so many women being sooo rational;) Never hoped, wished, dreamed?!</div>
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_doesnt-want-married-yet?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:068095e7-e51b-41c6-9451-243f5faaea6bPost:ee15a091-c68f-4039-a831-d848e428dc7e">Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet)</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet) : It was an university exchange program! I wouldn't want to come here if I were you, it's freeeeeeezing.  Question to everyone: Were you all so rational and sensible about getting engaged and married before you did?! Can hardly imagine so many women being sooo rational;) Never hoped, wished, dreamed?!
    Posted by miamary[/QUOTE]

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    </div><div>You totally didn't answer my question.  What part of Germany are you in?  I lived outside of Dortmund for a year.  I'm dying to get back.</div><div>
    </div><div>And I'm now the bitter, jaded single girl of the group.  I was completely BSC before I got engaged.  And it was absolutely a god-awful idea.  We only lasted 6 months from the proposal.  :)</div>
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    I cannot read all of that sh!t.  Does someone have a summary?  Kthx. 
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_doesnt-want-married-yet?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:068095e7-e51b-41c6-9451-243f5faaea6bPost:93103d01-c3e0-4039-aab5-57b314cf90f1">Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet)</a>:
    [QUOTE]I cannot read all of that sh!t.  Does someone have a summary?  Kthx. 
    Posted by TheMutleys[/QUOTE]

    <div>OP and her BF are 27 and live in Germany.  She's still in school (master's program I think) and he wants to wait until she's graduated and they have more money before they get married.</div>
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet) : OP and her BF are 27 and live in Germany.  She's still in school (master's program I think) and he wants to wait until she's graduated and they have more money before they get married.
    Posted by Elle1036[/QUOTE]

    And her problem with that is...  
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_doesnt-want-married-yet?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:068095e7-e51b-41c6-9451-243f5faaea6bPost:ee15a091-c68f-4039-a831-d848e428dc7e">Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet)</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet) : It was an university exchange program! I wouldn't want to come here if I were you, it's freeeeeeezing.  Question to everyone: Were you all so rational and sensible about getting engaged and married before you did?! Can hardly imagine so many women being sooo rational;) Never hoped, wished, dreamed?!
    Posted by miamary[/QUOTE]

    <div>Rational & sensible as in we waited until we were financially stable & somewhat settled in our lives to get engaged? Then yes.  We knew that we would get married someday but we were in no hurry to do so when we couldn't afford to take that step.  My FI was out of work for a while & it would have been incredibly irresponsible to get engaged then even if he had the money for the ring at that time.  </div>



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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_doesnt-want-married-yet?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:068095e7-e51b-41c6-9451-243f5faaea6bPost:958e0b5a-f4bb-45d1-b5df-e1022ec15c17">Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet)</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet) : OP and her BF are 27 and live in Germany.  She's still in school (master's program I think) and he wants to wait until she's graduated and they have more money before they get married.
    Posted by Elle1036[/QUOTE]

    Call me crazy, but (unless I'm missing pertinent information) that sounds like a pretty reasonable request on her BF's part...

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    edited December 2011
    <p>In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_doesnt-want-married-yet?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:068095e7-e51b-41c6-9451-243f5faaea6bPost:585002e7-83eb-4470-bfb6-9ad79f5f9e6a">He doesn't want to get married (yet)</a>:
    [QUOTE]Hi everyone, I am new here. So I've been with my boyfriend for 2 and a half years. We moved in together after 4 months and really have been through a lot since then. I would have never move in after being together this short with anyone else before, but there was not a doubt it would work. </p><p>
    It just feels right, it has from the very beginning. I would really like to take the next step and finally get married, <strong>(1) he's not convinced. (2) His main reason is money- we need to be financially secure first,</strong> we couldn't even afford the wedding I dream of right now(which is true) <strong>and we have to sort out all sorts of issues in our lives.

    (3) He is always big about financial security, with everything.</strong> <strong>I don't necessarily see how that's related to getting married, though.</strong>  But I know it's his main reason. Wedding doesn't HAVE to be big, also we could save up for it. There definitely are some issues that should rather be sorted out (cutting of my abusive parents, dealing with out friends situation which is not all too great right now since a lot of people moved away and with others we just kind of parted ways), but I don't think there will ever be a time where there are no issues to be sorted out. </p><p>
    I told him I'd like to make him officially mine :) and he told me a wedding was no guarantee it would work. I know that, but still I want to do it! I want the big party, but mire importantly, I want the commitment ceremony, I want to be a unit, share one name and be legally responsible for each other. At this point, my parents would still be called about life and death situations if I had an accident or something, but I want the person I feel closest to to be responsible in that kind of situation.

    He also hates being the center of attention, and I think one uber-boring wedding we recently attended didn't help.I told him we could compromise on a smaller wedding.</p><p>
    <strong>(4) I know it's not the commitment that scares him, he said he'd be open to having children very soon. I want to get married first, though.</strong> </p><p>
    I jokingly asked him one time how much money I would have to make before he could marry me. I know though it's not about how much money I have, but how much WE have, he wouldn't care if it was all his. <strong>(5) But this money fixation annoys me. It's one the only 2 big issues we have. </strong></p><p>
    <strong>(6) Yesterday we talked about this and he said he felt pressure and didn't feel comfortable.</strong> I, on the other hand, do not want to feel like I have to force him to do it. He also always said we both need to graduate school first, which he did (business school), I'm still working on my thesis. He started working his first "real"job this month. I can somehow see how he wants things to be settled, but I mean, he did graduate already AND has a job, shouldn't take that much longer for me either. We're both 27 and live in Germany. (I just came on this board because I like American wedding a lot better!:) Also, I used to live in Fl). I think this is a good age to get married. I mean, I wouldn't get married just because of the age, was I single now, I wouldn't go out and look for guys desperately, but given the fact everything just works, I think it's a good age and probably pretty much the average over here. </p><p>
    I definitely want to get married AND have my first child before I'm 30. I know making plans never works;), but that's my goal.</p><p>
    I don't even need a fancy proposal. We could just agree on getting married! (Funny thing, I know he thinks the proposal is important though;)) I DO want an American style engagement ring though;) (Ours are not that nice, traditionally they are the wedding band, which is a plain gold band, worn on the other hand before the wedding. I don't wear gold and I'm not plain. :) )</p><p>
    I should also mention his personality is to see the possible problems in anything, rather than the possibilities. He always thinks everything is soo complicated and needs to be prepared really well. I am the exact opposite- I used to never take care of anything in advance and have more of a "somehow it will all work out" attitude. The truth lies somewhere inbetween, I think, as my attitude got me into problems more than once, especially financially, but with too much of his attitude you'll never get to enjoy life. I think this is a big part of his hesitation, too. </p><p>
    So, what would you do? Just wait? Until when?
    Posted by miamary[/QUOTE]

    1. It doesn't sound like your BF is ready to get married yet. Period.

    2. I agree with him that you need to be financially stable (whatever you two agree that means) and work on at least some of your issues first.

    3. I think financial security has everything to do with getting married. It sounds like you guys are not on the same page about money, and that is a problem.

    4. I think that's fair and you guys should talk about it some more. Having kids is a big deal, and if you feel strongly about needing to be married first, it's okay to communicate that to him (not saying you haven't already).

    5. You seem to think the money thing is just some annoying issue y'all have and not the big important deal that it really is. Money is the number one issue that couples fight about, and it's a big reason some people end up divorced. You need to take this seriously and not brush it off as something you can work out later, especially considering your past problems with shopping.

    6. See #1. ETA: Also, I think you said in another post that the last time you brought it up was in May. That's not really consistent with what you're saying here...</p>
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_doesnt-want-married-yet?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:068095e7-e51b-41c6-9451-243f5faaea6bPost:8672567a-28e5-4827-b714-55f0ae2bb837">Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet)</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet) : Call me crazy, but (unless I'm missing pertinent information) that sounds like a pretty reasonable request on her BF's part...
    Posted by oceana919[/QUOTE]

    <div>I thought so, too.  She also said she wanted to get married and have her first kid before age 30, so I guess she's starting to feel that clock ticking.</div><div>
    </div><div>OP, I'll never understand the whole "before 30" thing.  What horrible thing happens on your 30th birthday that makes it so undesirable to start having children after that point?  I'm honestly curious, because I hear it said so often.</div>
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_doesnt-want-married-yet?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:068095e7-e51b-41c6-9451-243f5faaea6bPost:a16c6394-e6cc-4359-a204-185e863eb838">Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet)</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet) : And her problem with that is...  
    Posted by TheMutleys[/QUOTE]

    <div>She wants a baby in the next three years.  And doesn't want one without being married.  Also, she feels like they already are financially secure and doesn't understand what his deal is.  She also wants the American e-ring and wedding-style.</div>
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_doesnt-want-married-yet?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:068095e7-e51b-41c6-9451-243f5faaea6bPost:ee15a091-c68f-4039-a831-d848e428dc7e">Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet)</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet) :Question to everyone: Were you all so rational and sensible about getting engaged and married before you did?! Can hardly imagine so many women being sooo rational;) Never hoped, wished, dreamed?!
    Posted by miamary[/QUOTE]

    I guess I view getting married as a pretty, d@mn big deal.  I think it is about more than love and feelings.  I think that while those things are rosy and essential, there are other parts that are just as essential to a healthy marriage. 

    So yes, I was rational about getting engaged and married.  It is about TWO people's desires and needs, not ONE person's hopes, wishes and dreams. 
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    Random question: Why does my avatar picture keep on changing?! Is that some default setting that changes with every post?

    So, getting back to some posts.

    @loves2shop4shoes: No, he doesn't feel financially secure enough for children. He just keeps on telling me that to him that's more of a commitment and as soon as we "have money", he'd be open to it. And to him this is a more important step than getting married. I think it's his way of saying "I don't fear the commitment". 

    @peekaboo2011: Dein Deutsch ist gut! Wo hast du das gelernt? ich habe in Florida Deutsch unterrichtet! 
    True, people do not get married here like they do in the US. But then again, it's not really about what people do, right? I just feel our relationship is at a level where it's right. We're constantly being asked by friends when we're finally getting married. (They don't ask when we get engaged because engagement is traditionally no big deal over here). BUT this is NOT the reason I want to do this. Just clarifying. 

    @Quiltingnurse (you really are a nurse that likes quilting? Awesome name :D ) : 
    Yes, I think you are right he's worried about providing for a family, me when I can't work, giving me the wedding that I want, etc. Maybe it's a biological thing with men. They're naturally providers, aren't they? 

    @everyone : We will need to clarify what "financially secure" exactly means for both of us. I am actually scared his answer might be "one million in cash". I am not kidding. What if we never reach that goal?


    Now guys, tell me. Be honest. Have you never thought to yourself "before age X, I want to be married"? Does it not bother you when people around you your age are getting married, that maybe are together short than you are? I can't imagine no one here thinks this way! 
    For example: My (younger) sister is pregnant - completely unplanned, from her boss, at the bar where she worked part time, talk about clichés. The situation is far from perfect, since the father is married and not to her,  and she's still in college. BUT I would be lying if I said that didn't make me think about having children of my own. Maybe that's a family thing in our dysfunctional family, but you never feel like this?
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_doesnt-want-married-yet?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:068095e7-e51b-41c6-9451-243f5faaea6bPost:9c2c3f68-8654-4675-9cf9-ac5e177d2d39">Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet)</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: He doesn't want to get married (yet) : I thought so, too.  She also said she wanted to get married and have her first kid before age 30, so I guess she's starting to feel that clock ticking. OP, I'll never understand the whole "before 30" thing.  <strong>What horrible thing happens on your 30th birthday that makes it so undesirable to start having children after that point?</strong>  I'm honestly curious, because I hear it said so often.
    Posted by Elle1036[/QUOTE]

    Well, your girl parts shrivel up and become barren wastelands, of course. Didn't you get the memo?

    I don't get the "before 30" thing either, now that I'm pushing 30. When I was younger, I always said "kids before 30, kids before 30". Now, I will likely (hopefully) be preggo at 30 with our first child and I think that's the right timing for <em>us</em>.

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    Also, I think it's perfectly fine to do the evening wedding in German culture.  My host parents got married on New Years Eve.  Probably not at a church.
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