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Torn

Since high school, I've had a friend "John." John and I have always been close, almost like another brother to me. We lost contact for a few years after I got married, but bumped into each other again after my divorce. After we gained contact again, we became close friends...texting, talking on the phone, going out to eat, and especially talking about dating and relationships, giving each other advice, etc. (John is gay.) We saw each other through a lot of boyfriends and break ups. When FI "Paul" and I started dating, John admitted to me that he was jealous. (He's only had one long term boyfriend, and that person ended the relationship. He has been actively hoping for a relationship for a long time.) John refused to even MEET Paul. All of my other friends have met Paul and love him, including my family. Last month a mutual friend had a block party and John was there. He went up to Paul, introduced himself and the 2 of them started talking. I felt like the ice had been broken. John and I have been texting more, mainly about teaching and John's upcoming dates. Paul knows, but isn't happy about it. Paul is still mad that John pre judged him, and I don't blame him. John was 100% wrong for not even willing to meet Paul. I feel like John had made an effort to wipe the slate clean, but Paul is still upset about it. He refers to John as a backstabber. I feel that everyone makes mistakes. I'm willing to forgive John, but Paul isn't. (I know that's also because I've known John for so many years.) I feel torn in a way. I want to forgive John, but I feel like I'm not supporting Paul. I just want to forgive a friend who made a mistake and still have a loving relationship with my FI. Maybe I should just tell John, "too little, too late", or maybe I should remind Paul that everybody makes mistakes. I feel like the monkey in the middle.

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  • I'm assuming you're old enough to legally get married. That means you can absolutely extricate yourself from this childish drama thusly: "Paul, I agree John was being a twit. He's stopped, and I will continue to be his friend. If you would like an apology from him, you can ask him yourself but I don't want to hear anything more about it."

    "John, I'm so glad you pulled your head out of your ass. Thanks for that. I am your friend and I love you, but you have to know how much it hurt me that you pulled away when I got engaged. This is my future husband, and he's part of my life forever. Make it right with him, please."

    If either of them decides to ask you to "choose" the other, here is something simple to say: "Paul, I chose you when I agreed to marry you. My friendship with John is no threat to our relationship whatsoever, let it go."

    "John, Paul is my husband. You are my friend, and there is no earthly reason why those two relationships can't coexist. If you're having trouble seeing how they can, then that is your issue and I will leave you to figure it out."

    The end.

    alucky23 said:

    My opinion is that Paul is overreacting in being butt hurt about John's attitude.  How long did this go on before he was forced into meeting Paul?

    "Backstabber" sounds so.... high school girly.


    The whole thing sounds high school. Invite them both to dinner to get to know each other. Disappear into the bathroom or even, completely.
  • @slothiegirl...No, John didn't try to break up Paul and I. John admitted that he was jealous, and I feel that he let his jealousy affect his judgment. Paul always knew about my friendship with John. He said he was excited about meeting my friends and family. Everyone was very open minded to meeting Paul, except John. He was completely closed minded. Even when our mutual friend told John how Paul is such a nice guy, John refused to believe it. I think when Paul refers to John as a backstabber, her refers to John backstabbing ME, not him. I've told Paul that I was raised to believe in forgiveness and give second chances. It made me feel good when John approached Paul at the block party. Paul and I are getting married in December and I've spoken to him about me possibly inviting John to our wedding. Paul contradicts himself and says, "I don't care. He's your friend", but then he starts in again with the whole backstabbing thing, and things get heated. It's Paul's wedding too and I don't want him to feel uncomfortable, but I don't want to hurt John's feelings either.

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  • Paul is being silly imo. Really silly.let it go. John tried to do the right thing and I think that should be sufficient.
  • I still don't really get the big deal in all this to be honest. I really think Paul is being way too sensative. 
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  • So Paul dislikes John because John initially disliked Paul. There's some wicked irony going on here.
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  • They both need to get the hell over it.
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  • Oh my god picture me making the beethery/NeNe face please. Paul needs to get over it. Its fine if he doesnt want to be bfffs but calling him a backstabber is ridiculous.

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  • I am so confused on how John "backstabbed" Paul.  Not liking someone before you meet them is definitely not the definition of backstabbing.  They are both grown ass men and they need to get over it.  They both care about you.  It's not like they have to be besties.  If anything, Paul should be happy that John realized he was being ridiculous and willingly introduced himself to Paul, even if it was at a block party.  John made the first move to admit he was wrong by introducing himself.  

    Do you think Paul is jealous that John is a close friend and a male (even though he's gay)?  Or is he merely having a problem that he wasn't immediately loved by John?  You can't make everyone happy and there will always be people who don't like you.  Paul needs to acknowledge this and move on.  Besides, John made a genuine effort to move past his jealousy and get to know your FI.  That gives him brownie points, IMO.  

    But seriously, this isn't backstabbing whatsoever.  


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  • @Time2strtliving‌, I've explained to Paul that John "broke the ice" for me, and I thanked John the night of the block party for doing that. Paul didn't blow him off. In fact, they talked for quite a while. John, Paul and I all work in education, so we all have that in common, and that's what they were talking about. I've always thought that Paul had a problem with me having male friends. He knows that John is gay, but it doesn't seem to matter to him. I know that is his insecurity, not mine. Paul has female friends. Granted he knows them all from work, but they are still female friends. He's inviting them to the wedding, and I'm more than fine with it. Sometimes John texts me when Paul is around. The texts are completely platonic, but Paul still gets pissed off. I want to have my relationship with Paul and my friendship with John to be peaceful. I don't want to tell John not to text me when Paul is around. That makes it seem like there's something to hide, and there isn't. I know I'm not doing anything wrong.

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  • This is pretty dumb. Sure, John was immature about it to begin with... but he's obviously stopped, and made the first move to be a grown up. Paul needs to let it go. He can choose now based on John's current actions whether HE wants to be friends with him, but cannot stand in the way of YOU two being friends.

    And I also don't understand how just not being around or judging someone makes someone a backstabber, if they didn't actively do something to hurt the other person. 

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  • I think Paul needs to get over it.
  • @Time2strtliving‌, I've explained to Paul that John "broke the ice" for me, and I thanked John the night of the block party for doing that. Paul didn't blow him off. In fact, they talked for quite a while. John, Paul and I all work in education, so we all have that in common, and that's what they were talking about. I've always thought that Paul had a problem with me having male friends. He knows that John is gay, but it doesn't seem to matter to him. I know that is his insecurity, not mine. Paul has female friends. Granted he knows them all from work, but they are still female friends. He's inviting them to the wedding, and I'm more than fine with it. Sometimes John texts me when Paul is around. The texts are completely platonic, but Paul still gets pissed off. I want to have my relationship with Paul and my friendship with John to be peaceful. I don't want to tell John not to text me when Paul is around. That makes it seem like there's something to hide, and there isn't. I know I'm not doing anything wrong.
    Out of curiosity, are you guys in premarital counseling?  I personally would not be okay with such a double standard.  You are both allowed to have friends of the opposite gender.  Of course there are more boundaries with having friends of the opposite sex, but I would definitely bring that up in counseling.  Paul shouldn't be asking you to lose friends because he is insecure.  That's not okay.  


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  • @Time2strtliving‌ We did our pre Cana, where they spoke about things like your spouse coming first, conflict resolution, etc. I have told him that I appreciate John putting in an effort to break the ice at the block party, and that I have chosen to forgive him. Paul knows that I would never ask him to give up any of his friends and that he's not going to do that to me. The way I see it, Paul will just have to get used to John being back in my life. I know I can't change Paul's thinking, but I'm hoping he will come around once he sees that John isn't going anywhere.

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