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Just when I thought I couldn't love JLaw any more than I already did....

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Saw this article about Jennifer Lawrence's response to her photos being leaked.  After the conversation about boudoir photos a few days ago, I thought it was a great read.  One of my favorite lines:

"I started to write an apology, but I don't have anything to say I'm sorry for."

Damn straight.  

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Re: Just when I thought I couldn't love JLaw any more than I already did....

  • holyguacamole79holyguacamole79 a taco truck in Houston
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    Hey slothie, your clicky takes me to your OP.



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    Gahhh thanks Sarah....I have no idea why I'm so freakin' bad at linking stuff.  It should work now.
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  • sarawifenowsarawifenow Denver, baby!
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    I am not the biggest Jennifer Lawrence fan, but I really respect what she is saying.
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  • photokittyphotokitty where I want to be
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    I like her a LOT. I just have one issue with her interview. She says "and either your boyfriend is going to look at porn or he’s going to look at you.” I think this is an unfair statement that almost sounds like it's a woman's "role" to pose for pictures for her partner to keep her man from straying. If a couple does that, then that is their call. But I don't think a woman necessarily needs to take pictures like these to keep her man happy.
    I haven't seen that yet and am very disappointed that she would say that. It is degrading to men to assume then need images than rather than a solid relationship and intimacy with the person they love. It's the same thing as a teenage boy tell his girlfriend who isn't ready to have sex "if you live me you'd do it with me."

    One sexual crime shouldn't foster peer pressure or a stereotype.

    I still love her tho!
    :kiss: ~xoxo~ :kiss:

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    @photokitty‌ , here's the whole interview -http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/2014/10/jennifer-lawrence-cover. That one quote was the only thing that I disagreed with. I still think she's awesome, though.



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  • KatieinBklnKatieinBkln (NO SLEEP TIL) Brooklyn!
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    I love her. My favorite was, "It's not a scandal, it's a sex crime." Preach, girl.

    I mean, there is a huge difference between saying to yourself, "Huh. That really sucks, and is maybe a reason why I may choose not to take/send nude pictures of myself" and saying "This is why NO ONE should take/send nude pictures of herself, because it's totally on women to protect themselves from creeps." 

    I mean, if only we could just shroud ourselves into safety! Women in burqas are raped every day. Hm, I wonder if it was the fleeting image of an eyeball through the mesh of her veil that "caused" him to attack her?
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    Great! We should never be ashamed of our bodies and celebrate them! The people who put her photos up should be sorry, definitely not her!
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    I liked THIS article a lot.


    Personally I think it is prudent to refrain from keeping things of a sensitive nature (including banking info/SSN, pictures, etc) from any place they may be "hacked," but that's mainly because people are such scum bags and because nothing is really "private" on the internet. I don't like how much power facebook has over personal information. Heck, I've even had text messages meant for a specific person get glitched and sent to another person. But all of that is beside the point here.

    The fact remains that these celebrities could have had private printed film pictures, and someone still could have broken into their residence, stolen, and shared them. What most people are doing is victim blaming, and that's wrong. If you want to let your freak flag fly high in private, then go for it. But no one should be shamed because they took photos in a manner that was intended to remain between them and any consensual parties. 

    This is a sex crime, plain and simple. It's a shame (more than that--it's reprehensible) that most of our culture doesn't see it that way.  I'm so glad Jennifer Lawrence is standing up and saying that too.  She doesn't have to apologize for a crime that was never her fault to begin with.  


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  • I like her a LOT. I just have one issue with her interview. She says "and either your boyfriend is going to look at porn or he’s going to look at you.” I think this is an unfair statement that almost sounds like it's a woman's "role" to pose for pictures for her partner to keep her man from straying. If a couple does that, then that is their call. But I don't think a woman necessarily needs to take pictures like these to keep her man happy.
    I think that statement could also be interpreted to mean that if you have a man who likes looking at nekkid pictures of women... might as well be you!
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    Ndelible said:



    I like her a LOT. I just have one issue with her interview. She says "and either your boyfriend is going to look at porn or he’s going to look at you.” I think this is an unfair statement that almost sounds like it's a woman's "role" to pose for pictures for her partner to keep her man from straying. If a couple does that, then that is their call. But I don't think a woman necessarily needs to take pictures like these to keep her man happy.

    I think that statement could also be interpreted to mean that if you have a man who likes looking at nekkid pictures of women... might as well be you!


    But what if I'm not a fan of having naked pictures of me? That's my issue with the statement. No man NEEDS naked pictures of women. If that's what works for a couple, then more power to them. But it's not for everyone. And that's okay.



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  • I like her a LOT. I just have one issue with her interview. She says "and either your boyfriend is going to look at porn or he’s going to look at you.” I think this is an unfair statement that almost sounds like it's a woman's "role" to pose for pictures for her partner to keep her man from straying. If a couple does that, then that is their call. But I don't think a woman necessarily needs to take pictures like these to keep her man happy.
    I think that statement could also be interpreted to mean that if you have a man who likes looking at nekkid pictures of women... might as well be you!
    But what if I'm not a fan of having naked pictures of me? That's my issue with the statement. No man NEEDS naked pictures of women. If that's what works for a couple, then more power to them. But it's not for everyone. And that's okay.

    That's absolutely fine and absolutely your right.  However, know that if a man likes looking at pictures of nekkid women, you can ask, but might not get 100% compliance forever and ever like.  That's all.  I like looking at nekkid men.  If FH asked me to never do it again.... well, he'd be SOL.  And I'd probably be out of a life partner, cause really, I think it's an impossible request to keep. =

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    Ndelible said:
    I like her a LOT. I just have one issue with her interview. She says "and either your boyfriend is going to look at porn or he’s going to look at you.” I think this is an unfair statement that almost sounds like it's a woman's "role" to pose for pictures for her partner to keep her man from straying. If a couple does that, then that is their call. But I don't think a woman necessarily needs to take pictures like these to keep her man happy.
    I think that statement could also be interpreted to mean that if you have a man who likes looking at nekkid pictures of women... might as well be you!
    But what if I'm not a fan of having naked pictures of me? That's my issue with the statement. No man NEEDS naked pictures of women. If that's what works for a couple, then more power to them. But it's not for everyone. And that's okay.

    That's absolutely fine and absolutely your right.  However, know that if a man likes looking at pictures of nekkid women, you can ask, but might not get 100% compliance forever and ever like.  That's all.  I like looking at nekkid men.  If FH asked me to never do it again.... well, he'd be SOL.  And I'd probably be out of a life partner, cause really, I think it's an impossible request to keep. =

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    Luckily I married a man who sees eye to eye with me on that. 

    ETA:  But the issue I took with that one statement (I think the rest of her interview was great) is that we expect men to want to look at pictures of naked women.  And while that may be an accurate representation of their innate desires, it's not an accurate representation of all relationships.  And, as shocking as it may seem, not all men give in to the desires to look lustfully at pictures of women.  And we need to stop with the bullshit that "boys will be boys" and that makes it acceptable for them to have wandering eyes.



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  • Yeah. Willingly providing sexy pictures because you're comfortable with them, you know your guy likes them and you like to make him happy = great. Sending them because you think he needs to see naked boobs and you don't want him seeing strange naked boobs = not great.

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  • Supposedly the day after this article came out, the same hackers who posted the photos in the first place posted them again to her wikipedia page. As punishment? The wikipedia people took them down within 30 mins. 
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  • Ndelible said:
    I like her a LOT. I just have one issue with her interview. She says "and either your boyfriend is going to look at porn or he’s going to look at you.” I think this is an unfair statement that almost sounds like it's a woman's "role" to pose for pictures for her partner to keep her man from straying. If a couple does that, then that is their call. But I don't think a woman necessarily needs to take pictures like these to keep her man happy.
    I think that statement could also be interpreted to mean that if you have a man who likes looking at nekkid pictures of women... might as well be you!
    But what if I'm not a fan of having naked pictures of me? That's my issue with the statement. No man NEEDS naked pictures of women. If that's what works for a couple, then more power to them. But it's not for everyone. And that's okay.

    That's absolutely fine and absolutely your right.  However, know that if a man likes looking at pictures of nekkid women, you can ask, but might not get 100% compliance forever and ever like.  That's all.  I like looking at nekkid men.  If FH asked me to never do it again.... well, he'd be SOL.  And I'd probably be out of a life partner, cause really, I think it's an impossible request to keep. =

    Ducking slings and arrows... starting.... now...

    Luckily I married a man who sees eye to eye with me on that. 

    ETA:  But the issue I took with that one statement (I think the rest of her interview was great) is that we expect men to want to look at pictures of naked women.  And while that may be an accurate representation of their innate desires, it's not an accurate representation of all relationships.  And, as shocking as it may seem, not all men give in to the desires to look lustfully at pictures of women.  And we need to stop with the bullshit that "boys will be boys" and that makes it acceptable for them to have wandering eyes.
    I think that the difference here is if the man likes it.... if he doesn't, there is no issue.  He doesn't want it, no need to provide it.  I don't think it's a boys will be boys.  I'm a woman and I can admire human bodies that I think are beautiful.  That can be a picture by Helmut Newton or could be a raunchy one on Hustler.  I'm not worried that my man likes to admire the female form - he admires mine the most.  And I'm the one he wants.  If that ever changes, I doubt it's because of any picture.
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    Ndelible said:




    Ndelible said:



    Ndelible said:



    I like her a LOT. I just have one issue with her interview. She says "and either your boyfriend is going to look at porn or he’s going to look at you.” I think this is an unfair statement that almost sounds like it's a woman's "role" to pose for pictures for her partner to keep her man from straying. If a couple does that, then that is their call. But I don't think a woman necessarily needs to take pictures like these to keep her man happy.

    I think that statement could also be interpreted to mean that if you have a man who likes looking at nekkid pictures of women... might as well be you!
    But what if I'm not a fan of having naked pictures of me? That's my issue with the statement. No man NEEDS naked pictures of women. If that's what works for a couple, then more power to them. But it's not for everyone. And that's okay.



    That's absolutely fine and absolutely your right.  However, know that if a man likes looking at pictures of nekkid women, you can ask, but might not get 100% compliance forever and ever like.  That's all.  I like looking at nekkid men.  If FH asked me to never do it again.... well, he'd be SOL.  And I'd probably be out of a life partner, cause really, I think it's an impossible request to keep. =

    Ducking slings and arrows... starting.... now...


    Luckily I married a man who sees eye to eye with me on that. 

    ETA:  But the issue I took with that one statement (I think the rest of her interview was great) is that we expect men to want to look at pictures of naked women.  And while that may be an accurate representation of their innate desires, it's not an accurate representation of all relationships.  And, as shocking as it may seem, not all men give in to the desires to look lustfully at pictures of women.  And we need to stop with the bullshit that "boys will be boys" and that makes it acceptable for them to have wandering eyes.



    I think that the difference here is if the man likes it.... if he doesn't, there is no issue.  He doesn't want it, no need to provide it.  I don't think it's a boys will be boys.  I'm a woman and I can admire human bodies that I think are beautiful.  That can be a picture by Helmut Newton or could be a raunchy one on Hustler.  I'm not worried that my man likes to admire the female form - he admires mine the most.  And I'm the one he wants.  If that ever changes, I doubt it's because of any picture.


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    I don't think any straight man wouldn't like it. My husband knows what leads him to lust sinfully and he avoids those situations.

    I think what jlaw isn't realizing is that there are some men (like my husband) who find those types of pics to be an occasion of sin and avoid them. The statement she made can lead some women to believe that if she doesn't provide sexy pictures of herself, then her man will seek satisfaction in pornography. And that shouldn't always be the case. And for women who morally object to pornography, they shouldn't feel the need to create pictures of themselves to prevenr their man from looking at pornography to satisfy that"need".



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    Supposedly the day after this article came out, the same hackers who posted the photos in the first place posted them again to her wikipedia page. As punishment? The wikipedia people took them down within 30 mins. 
    Pfff what a bunch of losers.
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    Ditto @sarahbear31
    It's like saying it is a woman's job to "satisfy" her male partner by doing anything and everything for him (who cares if you are uncomfortable it?). And also how it is somehow her fault if he cheats, looks at porn, etc. because she wasn't doing everything she could to keep a man satisfied.  Hell, I am available for sexy times pretty much 24/7, and it is not my fucking fault that SO would apparently rather look at others on the internet.  
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    Ditto @sarahbear31
    It's like saying it is a woman's job to "satisfy" her male partner by doing anything and everything for him (who cares if you are uncomfortable it?). And also how it is somehow her fault if he cheats, looks at porn, etc. because she wasn't doing everything she could to keep a man satisfied.  Hell, I am available for sexy times pretty much 24/7, and it is not my fucking fault that SO would apparently rather look at others on the internet.  
    It's just as much the other partner's responsibility to make THEIR partner happy and satisfied. So if one likes <something> and the other isn't comfortable with it, you either find a compromise or you're not the right partners for each other.

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  • Am I the only one who is upset that this thread started with how strong Jennifer Lawrence is in refusing to be a victim and devolved into how porn is evil and blaming women like her as the reason our guys look at it?
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    Am I the only one who is upset that this thread started with how strong Jennifer Lawrence is in refusing to be a victim and devolved into how porn is evil and blaming women like her as the reason our guys look at it?
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    I don't see it blaming as much as acknowledging that there is a difference in opinion about porn.  No one is saying JLaw is a terrible person for saying what she said, merely that the way she said it could be taken the wrong way.  Porn isn't for everyone.  No one "needs" porn.  I think we can all agree on that.  


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    Am I the only one who is upset that this thread started with how strong Jennifer Lawrence is in refusing to be a victim and devolved into how porn is evil and blaming women like her as the reason our guys look at it?
    Um, I didn't mean anything against pornography.  As I have said before on here, I enjoy the occasional video or pictures myself, but it was the way she stated something about how she has to take pictures of herself as if she didn't then her BF would cheat and/or look at porn, because that's just what men do.
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    Am I the only one who is upset that this thread started with how strong Jennifer Lawrence is in refusing to be a victim and devolved into how porn is evil and blaming women like her as the reason our guys look at it?

    Oh I don't blame her whatsoever. I just disagreed with one thing she said. I still think she is great and is handling this like a champ.



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  • I took her statement to mean that she new her guy was gonna want to look at a naked lady while they were apart, so she figured that naked lady might as well be her. Probably in answer to the question of why did you take naked pictures of yourself Jennifer? Not that all women everywhere best be taking nude shots lest their man watch the porn. Hell FI has naked pictures me and he watches porn occasionally (and vice versa, I like looking at him naked too). That works for us. I don't care what works for other relationships because frankly it's enough work to make sure my relationship stays healthy and happy I don't have time to worry about other people's relationships take care of them your damn self.

    Frankly I don't think J.Law, or anyone, should have to justify why they took naked pictures of themselves. It's their body, they can photograph it naked or not. So I'm kind of upset that while she was speaking out and being strong she still had to justify why the photos exist. Because I wanted a shot of my twat for my phone background would've been a perfectly fine answer as well IMO. 
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