So uh hi

luckya23 · July 2015

She was becoming more and more like a caricature.

But, that's what got her the attention.

AddieCake · July 2015

@kmmssg I'm friends off board with QueerFemme. I'm going to share this with her since she may not see it on here!

[Deleted User] · July 2015

"Gay Lifestyle?" You guys thought that was mean?

[Deleted User] · July 2015

kmmssg · July 2015

XXXplicit said:

"Gay Lifestyle?" You guys thought that was mean?

MI's approach was mean. Like I said, she should take lessons from QueerFemme. "Gay Lifestyle" isn't mean, MI/VG/whoever just has the world's biggest chip on her shoulder.

[Deleted User] · July 2015

kmmssg said:

XXXplicit said:

"Gay Lifestyle?" You guys thought that was mean?

MI's approach was mean. Like I said, she should take lessons from QueerFemme. "Gay Lifestyle" isn't mean, MI/VG/whoever just has the world's biggest chip on her shoulder.

We don't even know she was gay. We don't even know she was a she! WHY are you all focusing on how a CATFISH could better make you all accept LGBTQ people?!

Jesus Christ

kmmssg · July 2015

XXXplicit said:

kmmssg said:

XXXplicit said:

"Gay Lifestyle?" You guys thought that was mean?

MI's approach was mean. Like I said, she should take lessons from QueerFemme. "Gay Lifestyle" isn't mean, MI/VG/whoever just has the world's biggest chip on her shoulder.

We don't even know she was gay. We don't even know she was a she! WHY are you all focusing on how a CATFISH could better make you all accept LGBTQ people?!

Jesus Christ

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed? People are making observations about what they noticed while she was here. Why are you so riled up?

FiancB · July 2015

XXX beat me to it, but every time someone says gay lifestyle I want to fucking punch something.

[Deleted User] · July 2015

kmmssg said:

XXXplicit said:

kmmssg said:

XXXplicit said:

"Gay Lifestyle?" You guys thought that was mean?

MI's approach was mean. Like I said, she should take lessons from QueerFemme. "Gay Lifestyle" isn't mean, MI/VG/whoever just has the world's biggest chip on her shoulder.

We don't even know she was gay. We don't even know she was a she! WHY are you all focusing on how a CATFISH could better make you all accept LGBTQ people?!

Jesus Christ

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed? People are making observations about what they noticed while she was here. Why are you so riled up?

It's not the job of anyone, gay or otherwise, to make you accept LGBTQ people. It's up to those with the issues to fix them. It's up to you guys to get with the times. And don't go making Queerfemme be your gay ambassador, that's not her job either.

redoryx · July 2015

"Gay lifestyle"

beachyone15 · July 2015

XXXplicit said:

kmmssg said:

XXXplicit said:

kmmssg said:

XXXplicit said:

"Gay Lifestyle?" You guys thought that was mean?

MI's approach was mean. Like I said, she should take lessons from QueerFemme. "Gay Lifestyle" isn't mean, MI/VG/whoever just has the world's biggest chip on her shoulder.

We don't even know she was gay. We don't even know she was a she! WHY are you all focusing on how a CATFISH could better make you all accept LGBTQ people?!

Jesus Christ

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed? People are making observations about what they noticed while she was here. Why are you so riled up?

It's not the job of anyone, gay or otherwise, to make you accept LGBTQ people. It's up to those with the issues to fix them. It's up to you guys to get with the times. And don't go making Queerfemme be your gay ambassador, that's not her job either.

TrixieJess · July 2015

redoryx said:

"Gay lifestyle"

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kmmssg · July 2015

XXXplicit said:

kmmssg said:

XXXplicit said:

kmmssg said:

XXXplicit said:

"Gay Lifestyle?" You guys thought that was mean?

MI's approach was mean. Like I said, she should take lessons from QueerFemme. "Gay Lifestyle" isn't mean, MI/VG/whoever just has the world's biggest chip on her shoulder.

We don't even know she was gay. We don't even know she was a she! WHY are you all focusing on how a CATFISH could better make you all accept LGBTQ people?!

Jesus Christ

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed? People are making observations about what they noticed while she was here. Why are you so riled up?

It's not the job of anyone, gay or otherwise, to make you accept LGBTQ people. It's up to those with the issues to fix them. It's up to you guys to get with the times. And don't go making Queerfemme be your gay ambassador, that's not her job either.

I don't know what your deal is but if someone can teach me something I need to know, or to change the way I think about something I am certainly open to it.

When I joined the military women were a sub lifeform. We were not respected and thought of as no more than clerks or cooks or nurses. It took a lot of work to change the prevailing line of thinking and to see us as real Soldiers. A lot. I was part of a generation that helped change how people thought of us.

There was a paradigm shift then and, fortunately, an even bigger one is going on now for the LGBT world. I have ALWAYS accepted any LGBT as I accept anyone else. We are all humans and no different in the respect we are due. I have had to relearn how to phrase some things so that the stereotypical heterosexual references aren't used and to be more inclusive, language wise, so that I don't offend someone.

If you have a problem with that, that's on you. Have a hissy fit if you need to but I'm done with this part of the conversation.

[Deleted User] · July 2015

You guys are so utterly blind to your privilege and prejudices. This is why there was an exodus. It's not about one person or another, it's because when talking about a catfish who took us all for a ride, what is being focused on in how said catfish wasn't good at making you open your eyes to the "gay lifestyle".

Really? Why would it ever be anyone's job to make you comfortable and accepting of gay people? And when was the last time someone said any of you had to represent all of straight people as a whole?

Most of you here STILL don't get it, and you never will. That is so clear. TK is quickly gaining a reputation of harboring and defending privilege, and THAT is why people keep leaving.

redoryx · July 2015

TrixieJess said:

redoryx said:

"Gay lifestyle"

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I subscribe to the straight WASP lifestyle, which I think means I'm a racist.

HeatherKat · July 2015

TrixieJess said:

redoryx said:

"Gay lifestyle"

I personally subscribe to the straight cracker lifestyle, it's not for everyone, but it works for me.

I'm a Ritz girl, myself.

Also, MagicInk might have been a lying liar, but that doesn't make her wrong re: the issues she was fighting for.

Maggie0829 · July 2015

I am so happy to see that we are all still fighting. I was afraid that that would go away once the Catfish was thrown back into the ocean.

thespeshulestsnowflake · July 2015

Maggie0829 said:

I am so happy to see that we are all still fighting. I was afraid that that would go away once the Catfish was thrown back into the ocean.

AddieCake · July 2015

I don't think that's what's being "focused on." People in the thread have been sharing what they did or didn't like about Magic. The way she handled certain topics is one of those things. And nobody is making QueerFemme the gay ambassador. It's just an observation that in talking about LGBT stuff, Magic was more aggressive and angry sounding than QF and had a tendency to go on the attack if people had a slip of the tongue or misunderstood something.

climbingsingle · July 2015

I'm still waiting for someone to explain what the gay lifestyle is.

One of my best friends is gay. His lifestyle is the same as mine. He gets up every day and goes to work. He drives a car. We go out to eat, and drink wine. He has sex with men. So do I. And he doesn't talk about "being gay". He talks about is life. He happens to be gay. The idea that someone is living a gay lifestyle or is always bringing up being gay is so fucking ludicrous I can't handle it.

kmmssg · July 2015

climbingwife said:

I'm still waiting for someone to explain what the gay lifestyle is.

One of my best friends is gay. His lifestyle is the same as mine. He gets up every day and goes to work. He drives a car. We go out to eat, and drink wine. He has sex with men. So do I. And he doesn't talk about "being gay". He talks about is life. He happens to be gay. The idea that someone is living a gay lifestyle or is always bringing up being gay is so fucking ludicrous I can't handle it.

See? I used the wrong terminology. I shouldn't have said "gay lifestyle" and have learned another lesson. Can we be done with semantics now?

climbingsingle · July 2015

kmmssg said:

climbingwife said:

I'm still waiting for someone to explain what the gay lifestyle is.

One of my best friends is gay. His lifestyle is the same as mine. He gets up every day and goes to work. He drives a car. We go out to eat, and drink wine. He has sex with men. So do I. And he doesn't talk about "being gay". He talks about is life. He happens to be gay. The idea that someone is living a gay lifestyle or is always bringing up being gay is so fucking ludicrous I can't handle it.

See? I used the wrong terminology. I shouldn't have said "gay lifestyle" and have learned another lesson. Can we be done with semantics now?

My post wasnt' just directed at you. There's someone also that claims to have gay friends and they don't bring up being gay all the time. I mean, seriously. Does that not sounds ridiculous to anyone else?

pinkcow13 · July 2015

This is directly from GLAAD's website, just want to clarify some information about the term "gay lifestyle." This link is very informative and it provides information as to which are some terms to avoid and why.

Offensive: "gay lifestyle" or "homosexual lifestyle"
Preferred: "gay lives," "gay and lesbian lives"There is no single lesbian, gay or bisexual lifestyle. Lesbians, gay men and bisexuals are diverse in the ways they lead their lives. The phrase "gay lifestyle" is used to denigrate lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals suggesting that their orientation is a choice and therefore can and should be "cured"

ShesSoCold · July 2015

climbingwife said:

kmmssg said:

climbingwife said:

I'm still waiting for someone to explain what the gay lifestyle is.

One of my best friends is gay. His lifestyle is the same as mine. He gets up every day and goes to work. He drives a car. We go out to eat, and drink wine. He has sex with men. So do I. And he doesn't talk about "being gay". He talks about is life. He happens to be gay. The idea that someone is living a gay lifestyle or is always bringing up being gay is so fucking ludicrous I can't handle it.

See? I used the wrong terminology. I shouldn't have said "gay lifestyle" and have learned another lesson. Can we be done with semantics now?

My post wasnt' just directed at you. There's someone also that claims to have gay friends and they don't bring up being gay all the time. I mean, seriously. Does that not sounds ridiculous to anyone else?

I don't want to speak for anyone, but I *THINK* that she was trying to say the same thing you were in your PP. The lifestyle is not different. There is no need to talk about your sexuality ALL. THE. TIME. No one inserts their hair color or shoe size into every conversation they have - it's the same idea. I didn't run the numbers, but I'd be willing to bet that MI talked about the fact that she was gay more often than not. It was her signature, it was everywhere - SHE made it her identity here, not us.

ChemFanatic25 · July 2015

pinkcow13 said:

This is directly from GLAAD's website, just want to clarify some information about the term "gay lifestyle." This link is very informative and it provides information as to which are some terms to avoid and why.

Offensive: "gay lifestyle" or "homosexual lifestyle"
Preferred: "gay lives," "gay and lesbian lives"There is no single lesbian, gay or bisexual lifestyle. Lesbians, gay men and bisexuals are diverse in the ways they lead their lives. The phrase "gay lifestyle" is used to denigrate lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals suggesting that their orientation is a choice and therefore can and should be "cured"

Hmm, interesting. I'm glad you posted this. It makes a lot of sense and now I have learned something new.

kmmssg · July 2015

pinkcow13 said:

This is directly from GLAAD's website, just want to clarify some information about the term "gay lifestyle." This link is very informative and it provides information as to which are some terms to avoid and why.

Offensive: "gay lifestyle" or "homosexual lifestyle"
Preferred: "gay lives," "gay and lesbian lives"There is no single lesbian, gay or bisexual lifestyle. Lesbians, gay men and bisexuals are diverse in the ways they lead their lives. The phrase "gay lifestyle" is used to denigrate lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals suggesting that their orientation is a choice and therefore can and should be "cured"
The bold was EXACTLY what I wasn't trying to do. I do appreciate the post and now know that a phrase I didn't know was offensive is. Bad semantics, won't happen again.

climbingsingle · July 2015

ShesSoCold said:

climbingwife said:

kmmssg said:

climbingwife said:

I'm still waiting for someone to explain what the gay lifestyle is.

One of my best friends is gay. His lifestyle is the same as mine. He gets up every day and goes to work. He drives a car. We go out to eat, and drink wine. He has sex with men. So do I. And he doesn't talk about "being gay". He talks about is life. He happens to be gay. The idea that someone is living a gay lifestyle or is always bringing up being gay is so fucking ludicrous I can't handle it.

See? I used the wrong terminology. I shouldn't have said "gay lifestyle" and have learned another lesson. Can we be done with semantics now?

My post wasnt' just directed at you. There's someone also that claims to have gay friends and they don't bring up being gay all the time. I mean, seriously. Does that not sounds ridiculous to anyone else?

I don't want to speak for anyone, but I *THINK* that she was trying to say the same thing you were in your PP. The lifestyle is not different. There is no need to talk about your sexuality ALL. THE. TIME. No one inserts their hair color or shoe size into every conversation they have - it's the same idea. I didn't run the numbers, but I'd be willing to bet that MI talked about the fact that she was gay more often than not. It was her signature, it was everywhere - SHE made it her identity here, not us.

But my friend talking about his life is his talking about being gay. He talks about things he experiences, the relationships he has. That's talking about his sexuality. We all do it. So what if it's everywhere. How is that different than me talking about my sexuality?

climbingsingle · July 2015

And seriously, saying that someone always turns everything into their "being gay" is one hop away from "OMG THESE GAY PEOPLE AND THEIR AGENDA!"

ShesSoCold · July 2015

climbingwife said:

ShesSoCold said:

climbingwife said:

kmmssg said:

climbingwife said:

I'm still waiting for someone to explain what the gay lifestyle is.

One of my best friends is gay. His lifestyle is the same as mine. He gets up every day and goes to work. He drives a car. We go out to eat, and drink wine. He has sex with men. So do I. And he doesn't talk about "being gay". He talks about is life. He happens to be gay. The idea that someone is living a gay lifestyle or is always bringing up being gay is so fucking ludicrous I can't handle it.

See? I used the wrong terminology. I shouldn't have said "gay lifestyle" and have learned another lesson. Can we be done with semantics now?

My post wasnt' just directed at you. There's someone also that claims to have gay friends and they don't bring up being gay all the time. I mean, seriously. Does that not sounds ridiculous to anyone else?

I don't want to speak for anyone, but I *THINK* that she was trying to say the same thing you were in your PP. The lifestyle is not different. There is no need to talk about your sexuality ALL. THE. TIME. No one inserts their hair color or shoe size into every conversation they have - it's the same idea. I didn't run the numbers, but I'd be willing to bet that MI talked about the fact that she was gay more often than not. It was her signature, it was everywhere - SHE made it her identity here, not us.

But my friend talking about his life is his talking about being gay. He talks about things he experiences, the relationships he has. That's talking about his sexuality. We all do it. So what if it's everywhere. How is that different than me talking about my sexuality?

It's not. I don't think anyone is saying no one should ever talk about it, what I'm saying is that there's no need to insert it into every. single. topic. Baby showers, "nerds", wedding parties, everything.

I'm stealing this from Addie but wouldn't you think it was odd if I started everything I said with, "Well I drive a black car, so...."?

banana468 · July 2015

Well, now I know why this post is 11 pages! And here I was thinking that everyone was really excited to welcome back PoG so it was just a long Kumbaya thread.

I was fooled but I did think something was up when such a large percentage of her posts had tones of either being angry about straight white privilege or her pot-stirring threads about liking her wife's vagina more than Sonny liked Cocoa Puffs. I don't think I ever suspected Catfish but I just suspected that she felt the need to be the center of the virtual attention.

So uh hi

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