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NWR: Need advice/support dealing with childhood friend

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My childhood best friend is in a serious rut/depression, and I'm not sure if I should leave her alone, or try to attempt some kind of intervention.

We've been friends for years, and were very close through college. Since college ended, I moved out of our hometown and saw less and less of her, and we aren't nearly as close as we used to be. In the meantime, her life seems to be falling apart at the seams.

She works a crappy part-time job in packing/shipping, mainly because she hasn't been able to find anything full-time. She obsesses over how she can't figure out what her "dream career" is, and often will not apply for jobs because they aren't in that elusive, unknown field. She doesn't want to do temp work, and after an unpleasant stint in retail (I'm not sure there's a pleasant stint in retail for anyone), she does not want to return to a retail position. She does not want to interact with customers, and she does not want to work with children. She has a degree in art but doesn't like any potential careers that would be open to her; she worked as a massage therapist for a while but it hurt her body and she didn't like working with customers; she flirted with graphic design and acupuncture but quit after a couple classes of each. She's lived at home with her parents since graduating from college, and what little income she has goes towards paying off her debt, and paying for acrobat/circus aerial classes in the city.

Meanwhile, everyone else has moved out of our hometown (which is virtually entirely residential and far away from the main city in our part of the state). One by one, we're figuring out our career paths, moving in with partners, etc. She's not single, but I'm not sure her relationship is really a source of comfort for her, given that she's insisted that her brain will not let her confide in her partner that she's feeling insecure about their relationship. In one instance, she insisted to me that she would rather suffer in silence than burden her boyfriend with the knowledge that him suddenly calling less often is making her wonder if everything's okay between them.

A group of us met up in the city for dinner recently, and she made some comments that were pretty disturbing. She commented on how she hadn't been showering much (i.e. she had showered for the first time in a week because she was meeting up with us), and that most days, she didn't have the energy to run errands and ends up watching hours of Netflix because she was feeling so crappy and reluctant to leave the couch. I know what depression looks like, and I feel like the longer this drags on (and it's been dragging on for years at this point; we graduated from college 5 years ago), the harder it'll be for her to get out.

I really want to help her. I know her parents, and while they're both very nice people, they're definitely not pushing her to find a job, to manage her money differently, or to move out. The more isolated she gets (as more of us move away, as more of us get married, etc), the more this problem is going to get worse.

However, because we're not close anymore, I feel like this isn't my place. I can imagine her reaction to any sort of intervention, or kind, well-meaning, "Hey, I'm really worried about you," could easily be, "We're barely even friends anymore; you have no right to tell me how to live my life," etc.

I'm also reluctant to talk to her because throughout our friendship, she has consistently ignored every single piece of advice I've ever given to her, even when she's asked me for my opinion. After several conversations that have opened with, "Hey, I know what you said, and I decided to [do the opposite]," I feel pretty used and tired. My advice certainly isn't always right, and obviously, what might be right for me might not be right for her. But it's constant. Her life is always a mess, and every conversation includes something she's struggling with (her room is such a mess she's unable to sleep in her room; she's out of meds because she forgot to send her insurance company paperwork; she found a couple of jobs but she doesn't want to apply because then she'll have to stop doing aerials). I've mostly been biting my tongue and just going, "Wow, that's really awful," or, "That's a bummer." The only help she accepts from me is editing her resume and cover letters, although frequently that actually means writing and extensively reformatting the documents. For the past few years, after very phone/IM conversation or every visit has ended, I've been frustrated to tears.

Obviously, I cannot magically fix her life. I cannot figure out what her dream career would be, nor can I convince her to apply to any full-time job that would pay rent. I can't convince her that she's beautiful, or that it's okay to let her boyfriend know that she's feeling insecure. But I feel responsible, and I also feel like the only alternative at this point is to stop initiating any contact, and minimize the amount of time I talk to her when she initiates. It really is upsetting, especially when her other problems (mostly relating to body image and dieting) come up.

So I guess if anyone's been in a similar situation, I'd appreciate advice. Otherwise, GIFs are always good!
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Re: NWR: Need advice/support dealing with childhood friend

  • that is a tough one! it is one of those situations where you know your friend and how she will react.  I think as long as you don't gang up on her and try to just have an honest one and one conversation to start then maybe you will be able to help her. Don't start off that you are worried about her--that may bring out a defensive behavior.  Try to get her to open up and all you can do is remind her you are there to help if she needs anything.  She probably feels like everyone is moving on in life and she is just stuck, but end of the day only she can help herself.  You can be supportive and try to help her make some goals but she has to do the leg work.  If your conversation leads to her actually wanting to make a change then you can offer to look over her resume, or if you see a job you think she would like send her the link to review it.  Try to talk regularly even if just a phone call, text or email.  She is your friend so of course you want to look out for her, but she also needs to be in a place where she wants to make a positive change.  Do you know her boyfriend?  What sort of life does he lead?  If she does not have any encouragement she will just stay in her rut.  I would at least feel the situation out and see where it leads, but I would not push it and if she says "she is fine" then all you can do is accept that.  Hopefully she can make some positive changes, and she is lucky to have a supportive friend in her life still. 



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  • I'm KFM, so I am non-GIF-capable right now, or I would GIF it up for you.

    I'm so sorry. That whole situation sucks. A lot. There's no right, or wrong, answer to 'what do I do here?'

    You know your friend best. If there's any chance she'd take your advice, I'd say 'offer advice and try to help.' But it seems like she not only doesn't want your help, she actively rejects what you advise.

    You can only give her so much help and encouragemental before she has to really want to get better and change and fix things.

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  • That's a really rough spot to be in. It's so hard when you want to help someone but they won't let you or there just isn't much you can do for them.

    I would try to have a conversation with her. I think @erinlin25 gave some really good advice for how to approach a conversation with her. But in the end, this is a situation where no one can make things better for her, she has to decide she wants to make a change.


  • phiraphira member
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    Thanks everyone, and sorry for the post and run! Shitty week over here. I think that the big problem is that she wants things to change, but the effort she makes is always minimal and often misguided. Obviously when you're depressed, even getting up the energy and motivation to put away laundry is pretty much a successful day. But it seems like she always starts with the same three "changes:" trying to clean her room, trying to diet/exercise more, and scanning Craig's List for jobs that fit her narrow definition of acceptable.

    @erinlin25 I haven't met my friend's boyfriend yet, although when I have made plans to see my friend, I always let her know he's invited. He's much older than she is (he's about 10 years her senior), and it seems like he has a much more structured life than she does. I'm not sure if he's worried about her at all. You're right--approaching the conversation by letting her know that I'm worried will definitely put her on the defensive. I know from experience! It just never occurred to me to approach things without letting her know I was worried. Is that weird that it never occurred to me? Whoops.
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  • SBminiSBmini member
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    This: http://www.lifebuzz.com/mike-rowe/


    She needs to suck it up and realize that she's not a super special flower who deserves the best in live without working for it. The only person who can teach her that is herself. 
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    SBmini said:
    This: http://www.lifebuzz.com/mike-rowe/


    She needs to suck it up and realize that she's not a super special flower who deserves the best in live without working for it. The only person who can teach her that is herself. 
    Ahhhh that Mike Rowe thing is possibly the best thing ever. Describes my friend very, very well. She has all these rules for herself. She's had two boyfriends: both are guys she met at parties that high school friends invited her to. Both were guys who pursued her pretty aggressively. Why? Because years ago, she told me, "I will never do online dating. I will never go to bars or clubs. If I meet a guy, it has to be someone I'm already friends with, or I'd have to meet him under really special circumstances. I just can't see myself with someone that I only knew because I was looking to date."

    She doesn't want to work an office job because she doesn't like working with paper (??). She's just too introverted to work with customers or clients (her insistence, not my own observation). When she was getting a degree in visual arts but couldn't find a summer job, I suggested teaching arts and crafts at a summer camp. "I hate kids," she said. "I will never voluntarily work with kids." So she didn't work that summer. She's had bad experiences working in retail (who hasn't?!) so she won't apply to retail jobs anymore.

    Over and over, excuses and excuses. And, going along with the Gen Y article you posted, she's just insistent that she finds a career that fulfills her. Which, I get. I want that, too. But all of the careers that would fulfill her are ones she is not qualified for, and isn't working to become qualified for. Some of it makes sense--why pour more money into schooling when you're stuck living at home and barely paying off your existing loans? Some of it doesn't--why do you want to work in healthcare so badly when you hate working with clients and customers (and would therefore probably not like working with patients)? ARG.
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  • SBmini said:
    This: http://www.lifebuzz.com/mike-rowe/


    She needs to suck it up and realize that she's not a super special flower who deserves the best in live without working for it. The only person who can teach her that is herself. 
    I like these articles. Though sometimes it isn't "sucking it up". It is a change in perspective and attitude and that is hard. It is hard to be a friend for someone stuck like that. I wouldn't know how to handle it. 

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    phira said:
    SBmini said:
    This: http://www.lifebuzz.com/mike-rowe/


    She needs to suck it up and realize that she's not a super special flower who deserves the best in live without working for it. The only person who can teach her that is herself. 
    Ahhhh that Mike Rowe thing is possibly the best thing ever. Describes my friend very, very well. She has all these rules for herself. She's had two boyfriends: both are guys she met at parties that high school friends invited her to. Both were guys who pursued her pretty aggressively. Why? Because years ago, she told me, "I will never do online dating. I will never go to bars or clubs. If I meet a guy, it has to be someone I'm already friends with, or I'd have to meet him under really special circumstances. I just can't see myself with someone that I only knew because I was looking to date."

    She doesn't want to work an office job because she doesn't like working with paper (??). She's just too introverted to work with customers or clients (her insistence, not my own observation). When she was getting a degree in visual arts but couldn't find a summer job, I suggested teaching arts and crafts at a summer camp. "I hate kids," she said. "I will never voluntarily work with kids." So she didn't work that summer. She's had bad experiences working in retail (who hasn't?!) so she won't apply to retail jobs anymore.

    Over and over, excuses and excuses. And, going along with the Gen Y article you posted, she's just insistent that she finds a career that fulfills her. Which, I get. I want that, too. But all of the careers that would fulfill her are ones she is not qualified for, and isn't working to become qualified for. Some of it makes sense--why pour more money into schooling when you're stuck living at home and barely paying off your existing loans? Some of it doesn't--why do you want to work in healthcare so badly when you hate working with clients and customers (and would therefore probably not like working with patients)? ARG.
    Maybe she doesn't actually want to succeed. I would go tough love with her. Tell her that she needs to reevaluate her approach to life and ask herself if she wants to succeed at anything or just go along in life being miserable. And until she makes that decision and does something to make a change- you don't want to hear her complain about it any more.
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  • All the hugs, @phira.

    That is really tough and you're one hundred percent right that you can't fix her life and make her want to go out into the world and succeed. I think you're doing a lot by at least making time to see her and helping her with her resume. I think having an honest conversation is all you can do and let her know you are there for her but remind her that she needs to find it within herself to make things better and find the motivation.

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  • phira said:
    Thanks everyone, and sorry for the post and run! Shitty week over here. I think that the big problem is that she wants things to change, but the effort she makes is always minimal and often misguided. Obviously when you're depressed, even getting up the energy and motivation to put away laundry is pretty much a successful day. But it seems like she always starts with the same three "changes:" trying to clean her room, trying to diet/exercise more, and scanning Craig's List for jobs that fit her narrow definition of acceptable.

    @erinlin25 I haven't met my friend's boyfriend yet, although when I have made plans to see my friend, I always let her know he's invited. He's much older than she is (he's about 10 years her senior), and it seems like he has a much more structured life than she does. I'm not sure if he's worried about her at all. You're right--approaching the conversation by letting her know that I'm worried will definitely put her on the defensive. I know from experience! It just never occurred to me to approach things without letting her know I was worried. Is that weird that it never occurred to me? Whoops.
    not at all weird! of course you are worried about her.  I just personally think people feel attacked if approached with the "invention" right off the bat and so it can just start bad.  My guess is she is already feeling bad about herself so will be defensive.  If she opens up and expresses wanting to change I would then for sure say I have been worried about you.  Good Luck
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    I'm so sorry that you and your friend are going through this, Phira.

    She needs professional help. I am not a mental health professional or expert but have a lot of personal experience with anxiety and depression (myself and others close to me). 

    IMO, the "tough love" thing could backfire while she's depressed. I think it COULD make her suicidal.

    You: "Pick one - be miserable like this forever or snap out of it."
    Her: "I've tried snapping out of it and I can't snap out of it. I don't want to be miserable forever. Boom." 

    She needs professional help with the depression and then she can tackle and change her life and perspective and perhaps accept tough love when she's not depressed. 

    I think all you can do is love her. Love her and try to get her professional help.

    Thinking of you both.
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