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This is the hill I will die on.

No. Fucking. Cash. Bar. I'll die 1,000 times on that hill. 

FI agreed with me that cash bars are tacky and we will not have one. Then FI mentions the other day that he now thinks we should do beer and wine for free and then charge for liquor. NO. I love his input on wedding stuff and we've made every decision together so far. If he disagrees with something I like, we compromise or just change it to something we both like (cuz he has similar taste to mine so we pretty much always agree). But for this one thing I put my foot down. No. And I explained why, again. His concern was that people would get too drunk, and he said his side wouldn't think a cash bar was rude because some of them are "hillbillies" (his word). Ok, but I would think it was rude. And it's not our job to babysit adults. We're providing safe transportation for them, so if they get too drunk it's their problem, and our licensed experienced bartenders know to cut people off if they've been clearly over served. (I used to be a bartender. In this state it's actually a class C felony to NOT cut someone off if they've clearly had too much and then you lose your bartending license).  

I would honestly be humiliated to have a cash bar at my wedding. My grandmother was the etiquette queen and deeply instilled it in me, so I have proper hosting in my blood. Sorrynotsorry. 

I even had to remind him of the wedding we went to last fall; cash bar and we didn't expect it. I was embarrassed to have to go back to the table and dig through my purse for money and I was annoyed and found it rude (a lot of stuff at this wedding was very rude like a huge gap, having to get up from our table before we were finished eating because they needed to make space for the dance floor, etc). FI's best friend and his girlfriend also found it very rude, and his girlfriend actually had a flask and mini liquor bottles in her purse for just such an emergency. It was not a fun wedding, we did not have a good time, and most of the guests left right after the first dance, including us. If we have to pay for our drinks, we'll go drink them at the hotel bar where we can actually enjoy ourselves. FI finally saw the light and said fine, no cash bar. But it wasn't over yet. 

We then go to his parents' house the next day (which was this Saturday) and his sister and her husband were there. Usually we don't talk about wedding stuff just cuz who wants to do that? It gets boring. But that was the topic of the night for some reason. And even though FI's parents are not paying for the bar AT ALL, they were stuck on that topic. His dad thinks it's totally unreasonable to NOT do a cash bar, because, and I quote, "It's going to cost you at least $10,000." He's never planned a wedding and never paid for a bar, so he pulled this number out of nowhere. We actually had to go online to show him the national average for open bars at weddings, and the average in our part of the country ($3,500) and because our guest list is smaller, our bar service estimated the total cost of our bar to be around $2,000 to $3,000. It's my wedding, I'm paying for the damn bar, I want an open bar, I fucking refuse to be rude to my guests, so back off. 

His sister then chimes in and says we should do what she did; open bar for the first hour and then cash bar the rest of the night. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. (And for the record, we should always do what she did. She's one of those Perfect People that has never made a mistake). 

FI's family is awesome. I usually have such a great time with them. They've been pretty hands-off with our wedding stuff because they don't want to "annoy us" as they say, but they've offered support. And his sister has given me some great advice on stuff. But I just found this to be so extremely annoying, and I was actually really surprised that they thought cash bars were fine, and better than open bars. 

Obviously their opinion isn't a big deal here because they aren't paying for it, so they don't get a say. I have no idea why they got so stuck on the topic. I kept trying to change the subject but it didn't work, so I just had to pretend not to be super annoyed and listen to them harp on how we need to do a cash bar. Just had to get this off my chest so that if it comes up again, I'll have gotten all my previous annoyance out of my system and won't accidentally say something bad. But damn. This is the one thing that I will NOT budge on. And it's the one thing they chose to focus on. 
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Re: This is the hill I will die on.

  • Sending hugs and hosted wine your way! 
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  • Ugh, don't you just love it when people who have no stake in something continue to offer their opinion? Good for you for standing your ground! I would also die on that hill 100%.

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  • Ugh, don't you just love it when people who have no stake in something continue to offer their opinion? Good for you for standing your ground! I would also die on that hill 100%.
    Yeah I would never be rude or nasty to his family because they have been so great to me and I love them, but I was wanted to be like "Our bar is none of your fucking business!" 
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  • Yeah, best advice here is just to keep on keeping on and ALWAYS have some bean dip ready on hand. 

    *sending you all the wine*
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  • That is so frustrating. 

    I have a relative that had an open bar only for the first hour. I had no idea, and my date came up to me was all, "Uhhh...do you have any cash? We have to pay now." I was so embarrassed. And of course, I had no cash on me. 
  • Fight the good fight, Novella!
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  • His concern was that people would get too drunk, and he said his side wouldn't think a cash bar was rude because some of them are "hillbillies" (his word).  
    Does he not think "hillbillies" would rather get drunk off free beer than pay for liquor? If all people want to do is get drunk, nothing will stop them, and a partial cash bar won't save you any money.

    Glad he eventually came around!

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  • His concern was that people would get too drunk, and he said his side wouldn't think a cash bar was rude because some of them are "hillbillies" (his word).  
    Does he not think "hillbillies" would rather get drunk off free beer than pay for liquor? If all people want to do is get drunk, nothing will stop them, and a partial cash bar won't save you any money.

    Glad he eventually came around!
    That was one of my arguments. I said "Uh... if people want to get too drunk, then they'll just get shit-faced off the free beer." 
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  • Sugargirl1019Sugargirl1019 member
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    Oh lord have mercy. You die on that hill, girl.

    You will be seen as the best wedding ever when your guests realize they don't have to open their wallets! And then you will look awesome in their eyes.

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  • you go girl!!






    What differentiates an average host and a great host is anticipating unexpressed needs and wants of their guests.  Just because the want/need is not expressed, doesn't mean it wouldn't be appreciated. 
  • Haha thanks for the support guys! I knew I wouldn't have to explain the reasons for my decision on TK. This is my no-cash-bar sanctuary. 
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  • Die on it. I heard it from so many people that cash bars were "normal" where we were getting married, everyone does them, blah blah blah.

    I said 1. I'm not everyone and 2. The only reason I've having a big wedding is to host loved ones. The things I can about more than anything else are the food and the bar. I will cut the flowers, favors, programs, my makeup, the ceremony musicians, YOU NAME IT before I cut that damn bar.
    I might have sounded kind of crazy, but my wedding was fucking fabulous. I not only had the open bar, I upgraded that motherfucker. And I received a lot of praise for it too.
    Right?! Those are my priorities too; food and booze, cuz I love good food and a good cocktail more than anything, and it's something pretty much every guest can enjoy. I totally cheaped out on the flowers cuz who cares about flowers, really? I skipped the pro makeup artist and decided to do it myself to save money there, not doing favors, etc etc etc. I'll cut corners everywhere and sacrifice my own stuff like a fancy hotel room or designer shoes or whatever. I will not sacrifice that bar. 
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  • Ugh cash bars why u exist.
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  • Ugh cash bars why u exist.
    Even when I was a kid and couldn't drink I side-eyed that shit. "Didn't we walk in here with a gift? When we walk into birthday parties with a gift we don't pull our cash out for shit!"
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  • You are doing the right thing Novella, stand on that hill strong and speak out true, hopefully they will change their minds!!! I'd rather cut anything else before touching bar and food. I would die on that hill too.
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  • Ugh. My mom has been super supportive and super helpful but every single time we went to look at a venue she would bring up having a cash bar.  Every single time I would tell her "No, we talked about this, we're going to do beer and wine only."  The last place we went to mentioned having the bar open for an hour and then converting to a cash bar.  This sounded good to my mom.  "No, mom.  That could be really confusing as a guest to go get free drinks and then all of a sudden the bartender is asking for money.  We're doing beer and wine open bar.  All night."  
  • Why would ANYBODY think a cash bar is better than an open bar? Gee, thanks for the offer of free booze all night, but if you don't mind, I'd rather pay for it. Nope.
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  • It really just blows my mind that so many people think it's just fine to make guests pay for things at an event you invited them to. 

    If you have people over to your house for a dinner party, do you make them pay for their drinks? A wedding is just a party. You still need to treat your guests well. The same rules apply. You are the host, you show them hospitality. The end. 
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  • smichek said:
    It really just blows my mind that so many people think it's just fine to make guests pay for things at an event you invited them to. 

    If you have people over to your house for a dinner party, do you make them pay for their drinks? A wedding is just a party. You still need to treat your guests well. The same rules apply. You are the host, you show them hospitality. The end. 
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    Yesssss girl. I went to a wedding where we had to pay for parking. The sign said it was valet and I was like "well, I wish they had an option other than valet. I'd be happy to save the money and park myself." Only to find out "valet" means a valet takes your money and points you to a parking lot (ETA: where you park your car yourself). It was beyond tacky. The couple paid to use the venue. Shouldn't the venue parking lot come with the price of the venue?
    That is shitty. The venue definitely should have taken care of that, but if they suck that bad then it should have fallen on the bride and groom to take care of. It went through two levels of responsibility to fall on the guests! Not cool. 
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  • smichek said:
    smichek said:
    It really just blows my mind that so many people think it's just fine to make guests pay for things at an event you invited them to. 

    If you have people over to your house for a dinner party, do you make them pay for their drinks? A wedding is just a party. You still need to treat your guests well. The same rules apply. You are the host, you show them hospitality. The end. 
    QFT

    Yesssss girl. I went to a wedding where we had to pay for parking. The sign said it was valet and I was like "well, I wish they had an option other than valet. I'd be happy to save the money and park myself." Only to find out "valet" means a valet takes your money and points you to a parking lot (ETA: where you park your car yourself). It was beyond tacky. The couple paid to use the venue. Shouldn't the venue parking lot come with the price of the venue?
    That is shitty. The venue definitely should have taken care of that, but if they suck that bad then it should have fallen on the bride and groom to take care of. It went through two levels of responsibility to fall on the guests! Not cool. 
    Yeah and the paved parking lot was tiny. Most of us wound up parking on a fucking gravel lot. Watching the bride's handicapped grandma try to walk through gravel in a dress and heels WITH A CANE was awful. I was just praying she wouldn't fall and get hurt.
    Holy shit. Nice way to treat your guests, bride! 
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  • DH and I kind of went through the same thing. At first he was all about 100% cash bar. He came around and we ended on a limited bar (beer, wine, house mixers) and his relatives were incredulous that we did that. I think it cost right around $2k for our 70 guests, give or take $500. Nobody got out of control. We probably drank the most out of everyone.

    I'm not too sure what made him come around, honestly. I didn't beat him over the head about it, and if I had he probably would've put his foot down more. I think seeing that the final figures were not so bad helped. It's easy to panic and think you'll end up spending a shitton and have surprise huge bill, but when you sit and crunch in what people will realistically drink, that helps. And we've been to enough weddings to have seen it's a lot nicer to have an open bar than a cash one. 

    "Compromises" like an hour open bar or drink tickets or whatever sound tempting but it's easy enough to poke holes in arguments for those. 

    Good luck!
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  • You should have an cash bar.

    You should make people buy tokens to use the restrooms too.
  • You should have an cash bar. You should make people buy tokens to use the restrooms too.
    Lol well in that case I'll need to re-plan our ceremony to make sure we have a big long gap! 
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  • You guys have made every decision together so far?  My FI mostly cares about the venue, music and food - those decisions we made/will make together.  I ran the photographer by him to okay, but he was just like "if you like him, I'm sure he's great."  My mom and I met with the florist.  For the most part, FI is just letting me take the reigns.  He wants to marry me, but could not care less about the floral arrangements or linens.

    He would care about open bar, though.  Because that falls in the food category.

    Either way - good job standing your ground!

  • dcbride86 said:

    You guys have made every decision together so far?  My FI mostly cares about the venue, music and food - those decisions we made/will make together.  I ran the photographer by him to okay, but he was just like "if you like him, I'm sure he's great."  My mom and I met with the florist.  For the most part, FI is just letting me take the reigns.  He wants to marry me, but could not care less about the floral arrangements or linens.

    He would care about open bar, though.  Because that falls in the food category.

    Either way - good job standing your ground!

    Some of the decisions we don't discuss too much, because he doesn't really care, like flowers. I told him, "I really want peonies and the florist said they'll be in season at the time of our wedding, plus they'll be in our budget, and then I'm gonna let her pick whatever other flowers to fill in [since I don't know much about flowers and also don't really care about them]. What do you think?" FI said, "Cool. Do it!" 
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  • When we were first engaged (all them years ago), we were very young and very stupid and I said something about how we'd have a cash bar. And my step-mom looked at me and said "Like hell you will". We did not have a cash bar.
  • dcbride86 said:

    You guys have made every decision together so far?  My FI mostly cares about the venue, music and food - those decisions we made/will make together.  I ran the photographer by him to okay, but he was just like "if you like him, I'm sure he's great."  My mom and I met with the florist.  For the most part, FI is just letting me take the reigns.  He wants to marry me, but could not care less about the floral arrangements or linens.

    He would care about open bar, though.  Because that falls in the food category.

    Either way - good job standing your ground!

    Some of the decisions we don't discuss too much, because he doesn't really care, like flowers. I told him, "I really want peonies and the florist said they'll be in season at the time of our wedding, plus they'll be in our budget, and then I'm gonna let her pick whatever other flowers to fill in [since I don't know much about flowers and also don't really care about them]. What do you think?" FI said, "Cool. Do it!" 

    Ooh okay, I gotcha.  That makes sense.  My mom really cared about the flowers and the chupah (and she's paying for them), so it made sense to just go with her.  She had an absurd idea for the chupah and our florist is weirdly excited about it.  I don't think I even quite get what it will look like, but whatever.  I'm sure it'll be pretty lol

    Still though - good job for standing your ground.  If my FI or FILs insisted on a cash bar or a gap or something, I would absolutely do the same thing you're doing

  • dcbride86 said:
    dcbride86 said:

    You guys have made every decision together so far?  My FI mostly cares about the venue, music and food - those decisions we made/will make together.  I ran the photographer by him to okay, but he was just like "if you like him, I'm sure he's great."  My mom and I met with the florist.  For the most part, FI is just letting me take the reigns.  He wants to marry me, but could not care less about the floral arrangements or linens.

    He would care about open bar, though.  Because that falls in the food category.

    Either way - good job standing your ground!

    Some of the decisions we don't discuss too much, because he doesn't really care, like flowers. I told him, "I really want peonies and the florist said they'll be in season at the time of our wedding, plus they'll be in our budget, and then I'm gonna let her pick whatever other flowers to fill in [since I don't know much about flowers and also don't really care about them]. What do you think?" FI said, "Cool. Do it!" 

    Ooh okay, I gotcha.  That makes sense.  My mom really cared about the flowers and the chupah (and she's paying for them), so it made sense to just go with her.  She had an absurd idea for the chupah and our florist is weirdly excited about it.  I don't think I even quite get what it will look like, but whatever.  I'm sure it'll be pretty lol

    Still though - good job for standing your ground.  If my FI or FILs insisted on a cash bar or a gap or something, I would absolutely do the same thing you're doing

    Lol my FI's dad is building our chuppah, even though his family isn't Jewish. He's really excited about it and keeps asking me questions. It's really funny/amusing to try to explain Jewish customs to him. But whatever! At least he's being supportive of a culture he's not familiar with! That's cool in my book. 
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