Wedding Woes

Lay her off. You've tried. It's time.

Dear Prudence,

I am the manager of a small office of around 15 employees. The owner is somewhat brusque and aloof, so most interactions with staff fall to me. I consider myself to be a generally kind person who doesn’t mind lending a compassionate ear when someone requires one. We have one employee, “Esmeralda,” who has always been difficult. She’s experienced but incredibly dramatic and frequently clashes with the owner, co-workers, and clients. She has been on a performance improvement plan since just before the pandemic. I’m trying to be more lenient with everyone these days, but our sector has been hard-hit by COVID and we probably can’t keep operating if the pandemic continues well into next year. We’re not there yet, but the owner and I have discussed the grim possibility of future layoffs.

Esmerelda is only getting worse. She was always difficult and overbearing, but now she’s erratic. She does almost no work and comes into my office twice a day to unload all her troubles (with her ex, her parents, her son, her house, her car) onto me. She calls me after she goes home. I cannot discuss a mistake she makes at work without her either shutting down completely or sobbing uncontrollably. I have tried telling her I have to focus on my own job, that I can’t take her calls after work hours, that she needs to manage her emotions at work so we can have work discussions. I have ignored her calls and texts, but she keeps trying, over and over again, until I respond. I can’t block her number because she legitimately needs it for work. I have offered her time off to take care of issues or even just for an emotional break, but she insists she doesn’t want to be at her house because it makes her depressed since it’s “not what she wants.” Nothing seems to get through.

Last week I brought her into my office to tell her that I was concerned about her and wanted her to strongly consider seeing a therapist or her primary care physician. I told her as gently as I could that I have 14 other staff members and 50 clients who all need my help on a daily basis, and I would no longer be able to be her sounding board, but I would do whatever I could to accommodate a schedule that allows her to get help. She wept and said she might as well just kill herself and broke down into hysterics. I had to call her emergency contact, who apparently is a neighbor who barely knows Esmeralda. Her mother apparently stayed with her for the evening to keep an eye on her. She came in the next day like we never had the conversation. I am at a loss. I want her to be healthy and well, and I want her to keep her job! But I also can’t handle this anymore, being held hostage by her emotions and keeping her on payroll just because I’m afraid of what happens if I let her go. I have my own significant personal issues to deal with, as well as those of other staff and clients who all have needs as well. What do I do?

—Performance Isn’t Improving

Re: Lay her off. You've tried. It's time.

  • You need to be clearer with Esmerelda.  She's hearing you as a voice and you need to be emphatic with teeth in the process improvement plan.

    Esmerelda also sounds like someone who is probably suffering from some kind of mental illness.  

    This is so hard as a manager but when you're managing a company the duty is to keeping the group whole and if she's not heeding the advice this has stopped being a good fit. 
  • Use the Performance Improvement Plan as documentation to end her employment.  The LR clearly states Esmeralda "does almost no work".  This alone is grounds for dismissal.  
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  • It's time to move toward dismissal. You may feel sorry for her, but keeping her around is harmful to your employer, the remaining 14 employees, and probably the 50 clients. Being a manager isn't always puppies and rainbows; sometimes you have to make hard decisions. You know what you have to do. 
  • You need to return to the PIP & bring in HR (if there is one) and the owner. If she’s not meeting the stipulations of the PIP it’s time to move on to severance. It sucks but that’s where you’re at. It’s not personal and it sounds like you’ve given her ample opportunity to improve. 
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    banana468 said:
    MNNEBride said:
    Use the Performance Improvement Plan as documentation to end her employment.  The LR clearly states Esmeralda "does almost no work".  This alone is grounds for dismissal.  
    Right.   LW seems to be using the improvement plan but the plan needs teeth.

    "We are now at day 30.  We will meet and discuss your output for the last 30 days.  In the X days prior to the plan you had X quantity of orders entered.  That has now decreased by 50%.  Your ontime performance is X."  

    Improvement plans need a metric.  You can't talk about what she needs to improve and then talk to her and "be there for her" .  She's getting mixed messages. 
    Real metrics are so powerful because they are black and white.  Edited to add:  "Either Esmeralda is meeting the XYZ benchmarks we have set out for her in her performance plan.  Or she isn't."  Especially if there is little or no progress being mad.

    On the other side of that coin, I try to keep my own resume as "metric-focused" as I can.  Job descriptions in ads so often have at least some "generic" qualification requirements like "being a team player" and/or "communicating well with clients".  So I want my resume to show real numbers and data of those skills.  

    Same with software.  I don't just say I have "expert" Excel skills, I include a few words in my resume to call out the specific advanced Excel functions I use in XYZ jobs.  That "cough, cough" are a good educated guess on what the job I'm applying for probably need.  Because it's been my experience that people/managers/employers sometimes have no idea of the vast and wild and crazy world that MS Office applications (like Excel) can achieve.  I have been both the one who's been taught and has taught a trick or two, that's saved hours of time.
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  • mrsconn23 said:
    You need to talk to an employment lawyer
    This.  But also, LW should be working closely with the owner and collaborating on decisions regarding Esmeralda.  Furthermore, the owner should be in on any consultation with a lawyer.  Both LW and the owner need to know where they would fall in being on the hook on all the levels. 

    banana468 said:
    MNNEBride said:
    Use the Performance Improvement Plan as documentation to end her employment.  The LR clearly states Esmeralda "does almost no work".  This alone is grounds for dismissal.  
    Right.   LW seems to be using the improvement plan but the plan needs teeth.

    "We are now at day 30.  We will meet and discuss your output for the last 30 days.  In the X days prior to the plan you had X quantity of orders entered.  That has now decreased by 50%.  Your ontime performance is X."  

    Improvement plans need a metric.  You can't talk about what she needs to improve and then talk to her and "be there for her" .  She's getting mixed messages. 
    This too.  LW needs to close their office door to Esmeralda unless they call a meeting with her.  Also, it's time for them to have a witness when they do talk to her.  

    Furthermore, (and maybe UO) LW should have called in the authorities when she threatened to kill herself during the last meeting.  This isn't something any business should manage and also, threats like that should have been taken seriously and handled through official channels.  It also strengthens any case the business does have for letting Esmeralda go.  

    Don't get me wrong, I have a TON of empathy for mental health issues.  I also know how difficult it can be to get help on all levels when you are having a mental health issue/crisis.  However, LW's business setting is not the place to help Esmeralda with this deep of issues and LW is not the one to take this on.  
    100000%

    Esmerelda is either suffering from mental illness or is an incompetent worker and a great actress.  If it's the former she absolutely needs help and the LW can't be the sole person that is in these conversations.  It's also solid documentation because any termination is going to be contested based on her prior issues. 


  • Contact the employment attorney, with the owner, now's the time to blame covid in a "It's not you it's covid" fashion and offer assistance in dusting off the resume as the parting gift...  Sometimes the bandaid just needs to be ripped off...

  • mrsconn23 said:
    You need to talk to an employment lawyer
    This.  But also, LW should be working closely with the owner and collaborating on decisions regarding Esmeralda.  Furthermore, the owner should be in on any consultation with a lawyer.  Both LW and the owner need to know where they would fall in being on the hook on all the levels. 

    banana468 said:
    MNNEBride said:
    Use the Performance Improvement Plan as documentation to end her employment.  The LR clearly states Esmeralda "does almost no work".  This alone is grounds for dismissal.  
    Right.   LW seems to be using the improvement plan but the plan needs teeth.

    "We are now at day 30.  We will meet and discuss your output for the last 30 days.  In the X days prior to the plan you had X quantity of orders entered.  That has now decreased by 50%.  Your ontime performance is X."  

    Improvement plans need a metric.  You can't talk about what she needs to improve and then talk to her and "be there for her" .  She's getting mixed messages. 
    This too.  LW needs to close their office door to Esmeralda unless they call a meeting with her.  Also, it's time for them to have a witness when they do talk to her.  

    Furthermore, (and maybe UO) LW should have called in the authorities when she threatened to kill herself during the last meeting.  This isn't something any business should manage and also, threats like that should have been taken seriously and handled through official channels.  It also strengthens any case the business does have for letting Esmeralda go.  

    Don't get me wrong, I have a TON of empathy for mental health issues.  I also know how difficult it can be to get help on all levels when you are having a mental health issue/crisis.  However, LW's business setting is not the place to help Esmeralda with this deep of issues and LW is not the one to take this on.  
    Totally agree!  There was a coworker at a former job I had, who walked off the job in the middle of the day because she felt a nervous breakdown coming on, in large part due to continued sh***y treatment from one of the managers.  Though this coworker also had a mild anxiety disorder that she took medication for.

    This is more of an example of when thing DO work out the way they should.

    She didn't say anything to anyone in the moment, but called HR when she got home (she did not threaten suicide, thank goodness).

    I knew some of the "behind the scenes", because this coworker and I were also friends.  She told me some of what happened after the fact.  We also had a similar job and sometimes vented together, both before and after the incident.

    At any rate, HR seemed to handle things like a champ.  The coworker and HR worked out a plan, that included a leave of absence for her.  When she returned to work, her duties had been slightly altered so that she and that manager no longer worked directly with each other.

    In fact, I need to give that manager a lot of credit.  I don't know what was said to her, but she was MUCH better to work with after the kerfluffle.  She previously had a "high and mighty", patronizing attitude and tone.  But she mellowed out some and toned down both her aggression and tone.  
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  • It's unfortunate that Esmerelda has so many problems, but if she's hardly doing any work, clashing with everyone, and making it more difficult for LW do their job, she has to be let go. She's been on a PIP since before the pandemic - that's getting toward almost a year now. I've never worked someplace that used PIPs (at least not officially) but that seems like a very long time to be on one. If she hasn't improved by now, she's not going to.

    LW needs to get an employment attorney and accept that they've done all they can for Esmerelda and can do no more. 
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