Wedding Woes

You're not as 'progressive' as you think.

Dear Prudence,

I have a daughter who is very depressed and suffers from anxiety and outbursts of anger. She is trying medication and also sees a psychologist regularly. We are just trying to manage things the best we can for her. We even welcomed a puppy into our family to hopefully help lower her anxiety. However, most interactions, even the most basic of topics, are strained and difficult with her. She is always seeking out any way possible to push back on everything we say or be argumentative. She is a smart, beautiful girl and is quite developed for her age. My question is: What is the best way to discuss dressing appropriately with her? She makes fairly good choices for school except for the odd midriff (which is not worth the argument). At home she dresses in short shorts that are far too revealing and often a shirt that is low cut.

We have always had the family rule that we must always be dressed or wear pajamas around the house for the respect of ourselves and others in our family. My sons have both said they are uncomfortable when their sister wears this inappropriate attire. Our family is quite progressive, and we want to see the societal norms around labeling women by how they’re dressed change for the better. When we have brought up our daughter’s dress, she has sharply retorted that how can we judge her for having legs, and why should she have to cover up her perfectly natural body. In some ways, I agree, but that is the perfect attitude for living alone, not in a small house with four other people. Please help me with the right words to reach her.

—Mystified Mother

Re: You're not as 'progressive' as you think.

  • She isn't walking around naked. She's wearing clothes at home. Rules for how you dress at home is absolutely b.s
  • They're legs. She's wearing shorts, not underwear. Tell your sons to stop looking if they have a problem. 
  • You keep insulting your daughter, presumably a minor who is wearing clothing that is of the fashion and wonder why she's not feeling so great about herself? 

    "Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the least progressive of them all?" 
  • Agree with PP's, she's wearing clothes, that's your rule. 

    Also, just out of curiosity, I never totally understand these letters where the parents disapprove of the girls (it's never boys) clothes.  Like, if you don't approve of short shorts and low cut tops, why does she even own them?  I shopped with my mom until I was in college and lived on my own, is that not normal?  Of course my style and taste was present in my clothes, but if I tried on something that was too short/low-cut/whatever my mom just didn't wouldn't buy it for me and it was never a huge battle or anything.  Is my experience not typical?
  • Casadena said:
    Agree with PP's, she's wearing clothes, that's your rule. 

    Also, just out of curiosity, I never totally understand these letters where the parents disapprove of the girls (it's never boys) clothes.  Like, if you don't approve of short shorts and low cut tops, why does she even own them?  I shopped with my mom until I was in college and lived on my own, is that not normal?  Of course my style and taste was present in my clothes, but if I tried on something that was too short/low-cut/whatever my mom just didn't wouldn't buy it for me and it was never a huge battle or anything.  Is my experience not typical?
    It isn't typical.  By the time I was 13/14 I often went to the mall by myself (it was within walking distance) and then when I had a car I drove myself.  I picked out my own clothes and if I thought my mom was going to put up a fuss for something like a strappy tank I'd throw something over it when I left and would take it off when I got where I was going.  

    Some of this I agree can be a mother that needs to be clear about what's allowed in the house in general however what she's describing does not sound obscene.  I wear short shorts in the summer time and wonder how "revealing" the shorts truly are.  If she's not leaving the house, why is  mom critiquing the child constantly over this?  And is this the battle worth picking?  
  • Casadena said:
    Agree with PP's, she's wearing clothes, that's your rule. 

    Also, just out of curiosity, I never totally understand these letters where the parents disapprove of the girls (it's never boys) clothes.  Like, if you don't approve of short shorts and low cut tops, why does she even own them?  I shopped with my mom until I was in college and lived on my own, is that not normal?  Of course my style and taste was present in my clothes, but if I tried on something that was too short/low-cut/whatever my mom just didn't wouldn't buy it for me and it was never a huge battle or anything.  Is my experience not typical?
    No, that was me also. There were times when, say, the shorts she bought for my summer session gym class in high school made me despair. But unless I was earning my own money - whatcha gonna do?

    But yeah I definitely do not understand why you would let her own the clothing and yet judge her for wearing it.
  • @Casadena idk if there is such thing as a "normal" experience anymore, but I stopped shopping with my mom in about the 7th grade. After that I used my small allowance to shop at thrift stores, used the gift cards my grandma got me to mall stores, and traded clothes frequently with my friends.
  • LW needs to also understand fashion.
    Daughter wants shorts? Guess what, if they fit her and she likes them then likely they'll be fashion also. Guess what was in style? Short shorts. Pockets showing. Etc.
  • Interesting, thanks!  I also grew up in a pretty rural area and the closest mall was about an hour away.  So it was always a shopping trip.  A few times here and there I'd shop with my friends, but never alone maybe bc it just wasn't convenient.  
  • Casadena said:
    Agree with PP's, she's wearing clothes, that's your rule. 

    Also, just out of curiosity, I never totally understand these letters where the parents disapprove of the girls (it's never boys) clothes.  Like, if you don't approve of short shorts and low cut tops, why does she even own them?  I shopped with my mom until I was in college and lived on my own, is that not normal?  Of course my style and taste was present in my clothes, but if I tried on something that was too short/low-cut/whatever my mom just didn't wouldn't buy it for me and it was never a huge battle or anything.  Is my experience not typical?
    In high school, my friends and I went shopping with each other and not our parents most of the time.  We primarily bought our own clothes.  I wasn't ever extreme in the way I dressed.  At least I don't think so.  My parents never said anything about any item of clothing I had. 
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  • Agree with everyone else.  She's fully dressed when she is at home, even if the clothes are supposedly revealing, so WTH is the LW's problem?

    LW, the one place your daughter should feel comfortable is in her own home.  Stop judging her on the clothes she wears to hang out, at home.
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  • I find the attitude of the LW very odd, especially since they seem to think they're 'progressive' with a dress code in the home and sons that are validated in their complaints about what their sister is wearing.  Does LW mean that they're progressive because they're not calling their daughter a slut that will burn in hell for dressing like a harlot?  

    I imagine daughter feels very judged in her home and that's why she's pushing back against the smallest perception of it. Also, a puppy doesn't solve shit for this young woman. 

  • Yeah, that's not progressive. Jesus I'm so glad my parents never tried to police my clothes. 
  • Casadena said:

    Also, just out of curiosity, I never totally understand these letters where the parents disapprove of the girls (it's never boys) clothes.  Like, if you don't approve of short shorts and low cut tops, why does she even own them?  I shopped with my mom until I was in college and lived on my own, is that not normal?  Of course my style and taste was present in my clothes, but if I tried on something that was too short/low-cut/whatever my mom just didn't wouldn't buy it for me and it was never a huge battle or anything.  Is my experience not typical?
    This is a vast difference from most kids. Most shop with friends.
    I shop with my mum even still. I like her opinion and I get very anxious/emotional when shopping and she can often talk me down {for years I could not buy pants without her - it was bad}

    Also by the sounds if it, you {and myself} weren't into that kinda fashion.

    My bff had clothes that definitely she regrets wearing/owning. But her parents were very laid back. My mum actually talked to her about her clothes one day - not in an attacking way, more of a "what's going on? your fashion has taken a turn recently" - and it was 100% attention.

    She now looks at photos and cannot believe she wore certain things at my house, around my dad.
    My dad was also pretty understanding so that helped.
  • Casadena said:
    Agree with PP's, she's wearing clothes, that's your rule. 

    Also, just out of curiosity, I never totally understand these letters where the parents disapprove of the girls (it's never boys) clothes.  Like, if you don't approve of short shorts and low cut tops, why does she even own them?  I shopped with my mom until I was in college and lived on my own, is that not normal?  Of course my style and taste was present in my clothes, but if I tried on something that was too short/low-cut/whatever my mom just didn't wouldn't buy it for me and it was never a huge battle or anything.  Is my experience not typical?
    I think this is something that varies so much. I started babysitting at about 12 and got a real job by 15, so I always had my own spending money. It wasn't uncommon to hang out at the mall on weekends with friends, so I bought some of my own stuff. My middle and high schools were also pretty far from home, so it was pretty common for me to use public transportation, get rides from friends' parents, and bike places before I started driving.  
  • As far as buying clothes, I did that once I had babysitting money at 12. My mom still took me shopping, but I shopped with my friends too. 

    Granted, I wore a uniform to school until HS. But as far as my own clothes, my parents never restricted me. I was well endowed from a young age, and I probably wore some tight/low cut things. My parents never made me feel shitty about it. 

    I also can't help but bristle about this at this idea of being embarrassed about things someone wore when they were younger, and being thankful adult men didn't judge her? Or look at her? It's just..weird? And smacks of some kind of internalized misogyny. 
  • As far as buying clothes, I did that once I had babysitting money at 12. My mom still took me shopping, but I shopped with my friends too. 

    Granted, I wore a uniform to school until HS. But as far as my own clothes, my parents never restricted me. I was well endowed from a young age, and I probably wore some tight/low cut things. My parents never made me feel shitty about it. 

    I also can't help but bristle about this at this idea of being embarrassed about things someone wore when they were younger, and being thankful adult men didn't judge her? Or look at her? It's just..weird? And smacks of some kind of internalized misogyny. 
    Also, I remember my college roommate who was both heavy and had a big chest.  Her father would call attention to it implying that she was drawing attention to herself if she wore anything that wasn't a baggy sweatshirt.  

    It infuriated me then and made me want to tell him, "If you wonder why she doesn't have confidence you can look at yourself mofo." 
  • All of this is hot steaming garbage and it’s no wonder she is disturbed. Stop sexualizing your child and stop allowing her brothers to sexualize her. 
    THIS!
    I was trying to find the words to say this earlier but my brain went blank
  • As far as buying clothes, I did that once I had babysitting money at 12. My mom still took me shopping, but I shopped with my friends too. 

    Granted, I wore a uniform to school until HS. But as far as my own clothes, my parents never restricted me. I was well endowed from a young age, and I probably wore some tight/low cut things. My parents never made me feel shitty about it. 

    I also can't help but bristle about this at this idea of being embarrassed about things someone wore when they were younger, and being thankful adult men didn't judge her? Or look at her? It's just..weird? And smacks of some kind of internalized misogyny. 
    I grew up next to a big Marine Corps base (Camp Pendleton).  I took a school bus when I was in jr. high and my first half of HS, until I could drive myself.  It was about a 6-block walk down a major street to get from my bus stop to my residential street.

    I got cat called all the time by Marines driving down the main road, smh.  Starting when I was 12!  Really, guys?  You are some seriously creepy MF'ers.
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