Wedding Woes

You allowed this LW by not USING YOUR WORDS.

Dear Prudence,

My friend, Janice, lives two hours away with her husband and two young children (5 and 1). She moved away three years ago, and since then, I have visited once every few months, staying overnight. I used to stay two nights, but cut it down to one, because the visits became a lot. For one, her son, the 5-year-old, has always lacked boundaries, and the problem was exacerbated when she had her daughter, because he got jealous. So, I hate to say it, but he is difficult to be around for long periods of time. Secondly, her husband is a giant bore. Nice guy, but little personality. And third, when I do visit, we don’t do anything. No exaggeration, we sit in the house most of the time (even before COVID). There isn’t a whole lot to do where she is, but she also just isn’t interested in doing anything. The one time I suggested she and I go out to dinner, she was appalled at the thought of her husband having to eat dinner by himself while watching after two children. We can’t do some things (like go to a local winery) because her kids would be too much. I could go on and on, but since there’s more to this question, I’ll leave it at that.

My friend, Donna, moved away last year, far enough to warrant a plane ride. I’ve been able to visit her twice when I’ve had long weekends (and she has also been back to my city once). The first time I went, while our activities were limited to what we could do outside (including outdoor dining), we still actually did things. The second time, more things were open and available to do.

Janice is now seemingly jealous that I visited Donna for that period of time, as in, she actually commented after my second trip, “lucky Donna that she gets you for that long.” Prior to the last long weekend (July 4), she asked me to come stay with them for the weekend. I said that I had other plans and couldn’t. Now, she’s already pestering me about Labor Day weekend, and I can’t lie and say I have plans, because she’ll start asking me what they are, since it’s still pretty early. One time, when I tried to deflect by telling her I’m not sure about that weekend, but I’m available x or y weekend to come up for a night, she just came back at me with “well since you aren’t sure what your plans are, just make some with me!” I’m just not sure what to do. Maybe this makes me a terrible friend, but I have zero desire to spend my long weekend sitting in her house, with her husband and kids. I don’t even want to compromise and say I’ll come for one night, because she’ll just continue to grill me as to why I can’t stay longer; plus, honestly, that still takes up at least 1.5 days, and I don’t want to be hampered in making other plans when the weekend gets closer (and I’ve already given her two other dates I could come up for a night). I honestly don’t want to lose her as a friend, but I can’t keep this up. What do I do here?

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Re: You allowed this LW by not USING YOUR WORDS.

  • LW is likely phasing out of the relationship with Janice.  It's sad but unless Janice starts to make changes then she's likely starting down the route of being nearly shut in.  The only suggestion I'd have is to be clear, "I had a great time with Donna.  We went out to these great places and enjoyed the sights!  Would you be open to doing something like that?   With Labor Day approaching there are so many opportunities to enjoy that unofficial last weekend of summer.  The last times I visited in your area we stayed in your home and I need to be honest that when my suggestions to get out were turned down it was not as fun a visit." 

    The notion that the H won't watch the kids is from 70 years ago but if that's how Janice thinks things work then she's pushing the LW away.  If LW doesn't want to have the difficult conversation then she may need to invent a hair appointment for Labor Day weekend. 
  • LW, stop going to Janice's for even a night.  You can't change her husband or her parenting.  It sounds like you loathe these visits because of her family.  Offer to meet her in the middle for dinner and if she can't then...oh well. 

    Stop apologizing for being friends with Donna and going to visit her.  Also if you know Janice will have something to say about Donna and your visits and you don't want to deal with it, then don't freaking tell her.  

    You created this situation by going along with these visits even though you hated them (or aspects of them).  Tell Janice that unless you guys can go do something while you visit that you're no longer coming to stay at her home.
  • “Janice, I love being friends, but you need to stop pressuring me about visiting and comparing with other relationships. I’m not coming Labor Day, but hopefully another time will work.”
  • Don’t go if you don’t want to go. 

    But don’t lie to Janice. Tell her you have limited vacation and would like to spend time with her alone and to see and do things on your time off. If she can make that work, great! If not then it sounds like it might be a fading friendship. 
  • mrsconn23 said:
    LW, stop going to Janice's for even a night.  You can't change her husband or her parenting.  It sounds like you loathe these visits because of her family.  Offer to meet her in the middle for dinner and if she can't then...oh well. 

    Stop apologizing for being friends with Donna and going to visit her.  Also if you know Janice will have something to say about Donna and your visits and you don't want to deal with it, then don't freaking tell her.  

    You created this situation by going along with these visits even though you hated them (or aspects of them).  Tell Janice that unless you guys can go do something while you visit that you're no longer coming to stay at her home.
    Oooohhhh!  I like the idea of meeting in the middle for dinner or even having a girl's day or night out.  Because then it would only be one hour of driving (two hours r/t) for each of them.  Though maybe that is still too hard with a baby, especially if the friend is breastfeeding.

    Honestly though, if the LW finds spending even one night with her friend and their family as so tedious they'd rather avoid it, it's probably getting close to the time when this friendship should start fading away.
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  • mrsconn23 said:
    LW, stop going to Janice's for even a night.  You can't change her husband or her parenting.  It sounds like you loathe these visits because of her family.  Offer to meet her in the middle for dinner and if she can't then...oh well. 

    Stop apologizing for being friends with Donna and going to visit her.  Also if you know Janice will have something to say about Donna and your visits and you don't want to deal with it, then don't freaking tell her.  

    You created this situation by going along with these visits even though you hated them (or aspects of them).  Tell Janice that unless you guys can go do something while you visit that you're no longer coming to stay at her home.
    Oooohhhh!  I like the idea of meeting in the middle for dinner or even having a girl's day or night out.  Because then it would only be one hour of driving (two hours r/t) for each of them.  Though maybe that is still too hard with a baby, especially if the friend is breastfeeding.

    Honestly though, if the LW finds spending even one night with her friend and their family as so tedious they'd rather avoid it, it's probably getting close to the time when this friendship should start fading away.
    I think this is the case too.  If the friend does not see an option for the H to watch the kid, does not come up with things to do for the two of them and LW is just not a fan of the kids, it's likely not going to work. 

    The dinner is the likely option especially since w/ a 1 yo you're not going to be needing to BF that long.  By age 1 a kiddo is eating real food and you're not at the mercy of needing to pump so often like when you have a newborn. 
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