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So a post on one of the other boards got me thinking (completely a curiosity factor)...are you guys pro-choice or pro-life?

I'll answer first.  I am pro-choice (and to be completely honest, I really think that the opposite of that isn't 'pro-life', but 'anti-choice').  I don't know if I would ever have one myself (luckily, I haven't had to make that decision).  However, I still really hold true to the saying "keep your laws off my body".  Regardless of if I would ever have one or not, I don't like the idea that someone thinks they have the right to tell me what I have to do with my body.

Feel free to add any other 'touchy' questions too.
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  • Elle1036Elle1036 member
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    I'm 100% pro-choice.  I haven't had to make that decision, but I've supported a friend who did, and to be honest, I was proud of her.

    Really, though, the whole abortion debate annoys me.  In a world where 40,000 children die of hunger every day, I feel like we have other things to focus our energy on.
  • edited December 2011
    I am also pro-choice. I don't condone abortion as a form of birth control (as in, completely foregoing any contraceptives because you think you can 'always get an abortion'). That being said, if I were to--God forbid--get pregnant right now (and I'm on the pill), I would probably have an abortion. I couldn't possibly keep it, and I would not want to carry it in my body for nine months to simply give it away. I know that is somewhat selfish of me. Judge away.

    My question is, how do you feel about the "slippery slope" theory of same-sex marriage? Do you think that if the country allows homosexual couples to marry, it will lead to legalized polygamy and bestiality?
  • redheadtmkredheadtmk member
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    i am a case by case basis person myself.  rape and incest or certain death to baby and/or mother doesnt bother me so much. girls who do it as a means of birth control i dont have much respect for. especially when the father really wants the baby. or when the father and/or mother can afford to support it or has family that will support them.  i think if you aren't mature or responsible enough to handle the consequences of having sex you shouldnt be having it. getting pregnant is a risk you take no matter how much protection you use. getting rid of the baby as a matter of convenience is not ok as far as i am concerned.    
  • Ana_2985Ana_2985 member
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    If I had to choose one or the other, I'd say I'm pro-life.  But I just don't know because in situations like rape, the woman didn't have a choice to begin with so I just don't know.

    I support same-sex marriage and don't really understand opposition at all.
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  • jemmini6jemmini6 member
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    I have a few gay friends and completely think they deserve to get married.  I think marriage, from a legal standpoint, is simply a contract.  As long as it's with consenting adults, I don't care if it's one man and one woman, two men, two women, or one man and three women.  If that's the life they choose, there is no reason why the government should prohibit it.  I understand people's objections from a moral/religious standpoint, but my thought on both the abortion and gay marriage debate is "if you don't like it, don't have one".  Too many people in this country try to push their morals and religion on everyone else because they think theirs is the only way to live. 
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  • deburnindeburnin member
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    I'm very pro-choice. Through a few different FB groups I meant women from all walks of life. Those who aborted, gave away, and chose to keep. The one that sticks with me is the 12 year old (at the time of the incident, not at posting) who cut open her stomach with a butcher knife after being raped by her brother's best friend and impregnated... *shiver*

    While I can see both sides of the argument, I don't think it's my place to tell other people what to do with their body. Making abortion illegal just makes more people die through illegal surgery. I'm for better sex ed and better programs to help single moms/dads in order to encourage them to go through with pregnancies. There are just so many variables that a lot of PLers over look... 
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_touchy-subject-poll?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:11beda3e-84de-4377-8f93-b9dcd49447e7Post:afb495df-6838-4bd8-af7e-95ff646bb627">Re: Touchy Subject Poll</a>:
    [QUOTE]I am also pro-choice. I don't condone abortion as a form of birth control (as in, completely foregoing any contraceptives because you think you can 'always get an abortion'). That being said, if I were to--God forbid--get pregnant right now (and I'm on the pill), I would probably have an abortion. I couldn't possibly keep it, and I would not want to carry it in my body for nine months to simply give it away. I know that is somewhat selfish of me. Judge away. <strong>My question is, how do you feel about the "slippery slope" theory of same-sex marriage? Do you think that if the country allows homosexual couples to marry, it will lead to legalized polygamy and bestiality?</strong>
    Posted by GreenPepperBurger[/QUOTE]

    <div>When an animal can give consent to marry have at it, until then the argument is bunk. Same goes with people marrying children. They can't give consent.</div><div>
    </div><div> Polygamy as long as it's between consenting adults who aren't being forced into the lifestyle, I see no issue with.</div>
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  • redheadtmkredheadtmk member
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    i supprot same sex marriage. i dont understand why our country is so slow to treat all  people equally. hopefully it wont take 1-2 hundred years for them to be treated with respect and equality the way it did for african americans and women to get the right to vote. you would think we would learn from our past
  • Elle1036Elle1036 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_touchy-subject-poll?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:11beda3e-84de-4377-8f93-b9dcd49447e7Post:afb495df-6838-4bd8-af7e-95ff646bb627">Re: Touchy Subject Poll</a>:
    [QUOTE]I am also pro-choice. I don't condone abortion as a form of birth control (as in, completely foregoing any contraceptives because you think you can 'always get an abortion'). That being said, if I were to--God forbid--get pregnant right now (and I'm on the pill), I would probably have an abortion. I couldn't possibly keep it, and I would not want to carry it in my body for nine months to simply give it away. I know that is somewhat selfish of me. Judge away. <strong>My question is, how do you feel about the "slippery slope" theory of same-sex marriage? Do you think that if the country allows homosexual couples to marry, it will lead to legalized polygamy and bestiality?</strong>
    Posted by GreenPepperBurger[/QUOTE]

    I've always supported gay marriage, but I've never really considered whether legalizing it would also lead to legalized polygamy.

    Really, though, I don't feel like things that go on between consenting adults are any of my business.  The reason that polygamy is illegal in the first place, if I understand correctly, is to protect women from being "enslaved" in marriages that they don't want or enjoy... and to cut back on that whole 14-year-old bride thing.  So legalizing polygamy doesn't bother me in theory, but I'm concerned about where it could lead...
  • edited December 2011
    I'm pro-choice.  I think there are absolutely circumstances in which an abortion would be appropriate, and if the woman chooses to get one, that's NO ONE'S business but her own and babydaddy's.

    That being said, I don't condone abortion as a form of birth control.  

    To answer GPB's question, I think that "slippery slope" argument is a load of BS.  If they have such issues with the definition of marriage, they can say marriage should be between "One PERSON and another".  The people, IMHO, who make arguments against gay marriage are nothing more than poorly educated, bible thumping evangelicals...many of which probably aren't even well-read enough in the bible to make an intelligent biblical argument about their "beliefs".
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_touchy-subject-poll?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:11beda3e-84de-4377-8f93-b9dcd49447e7Post:023190ff-78fb-4596-b873-37e02896a523">Re: Touchy Subject Poll</a>:
    [QUOTE]I'm pro-choice.  I think there are absolutely circumstances in which an abortion would be appropriate, and if the woman chooses to get one, that's NO ONE'S business but her own and babydaddy's. That being said, I don't condone abortion as a form of birth control.   To answer GPB's question, I think that "slippery slope" argument is a load of BS.  If they have such issues with the definition of marriage, they can say marriage should be between "One PERSON and another".  The people, IMHO, who make arguments against gay marriage are nothing more than poorly educated, bible thumping evangelicals...many of which probably aren't even well-read enough in the bible to make an intelligent biblical argument about their <strong>"beliefs"</strong>.
    Posted by loves2shop4shoes[/QUOTE]

    <div>Why would you put that in quotations? It really is their belief system. Regardless on if you agree with it or not, it doesn't make them believe it any less.</div>
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  • Elle1036Elle1036 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_touchy-subject-poll?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:11beda3e-84de-4377-8f93-b9dcd49447e7Post:1a51bb3f-4740-4442-8d6e-c9b974bb50ee">Re: Touchy Subject Poll</a>:
    [QUOTE]i am a case by case basis person myself.  rape and incest or certain death to baby and/or mother doesnt bother me so much. girls who do it as a means of birth control i dont have much respect for. especially when the father really wants the baby. or when the father and/or mother can afford to support it or has family that will support them.  <strong>i think if you aren't mature or responsible enough to handle the consequences of having sex you shouldnt be having it. getting pregnant is a risk you take no matter how much protection you use</strong>. getting rid of the baby as a matter of convenience is not ok as far as i am concerned.    
    Posted by redheadtmk[/QUOTE]

    The problem with this argument goes back to what you said earlier about death for the baby and mother.  If a woman has a blood disorder that would make pregnancy extremely stressful for her body, should she abstain from sex completely?  If a couple knows that both members are carriers for Cystic Fibrosis and could therefore have an affected baby, should they abstain?

    I just don't feel like you can say "if you don't want a baby, don't have sex," because there's so much gray area.
  • edited December 2011
    I didn't even answer my own question. I think the slippery slope theory is BS too. Marriage is about giving consent, so if multiple consenting ADULTS want to be in a polygamous marriage, more power to them. Since animals can't give consent, the whole thing is null and void (although I really don't care if someone wants to marry their pet. Whatever, man.)
  • Ana_2985Ana_2985 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_touchy-subject-poll?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:11beda3e-84de-4377-8f93-b9dcd49447e7Post:a236f467-e6cb-4d0d-aef7-1689481131ab">Re: Touchy Subject Poll</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Touchy Subject Poll : The problem with this argument goes back to what you said earlier about death for the baby and mother.  If a woman has a blood disorder that would make pregnancy extremely stressful for her body, should she abstain from sex completely?  If a couple knows that both members are carriers for Cystic Fibrosis and could therefore have an affected baby, should they abstain? I just don't feel like you can say "if you don't want a baby, don't have sex," because there's so much gray area.
    Posted by Elle1036[/QUOTE]

    Are there not permanent methods of birth control?
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  • heyimbrenheyimbren member
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    I already confessed that I'm pro-life. However, it isn't that I don't think there should be any choices, and I don't think abortion should be outlawed either. But I do see the fetus as more than just an extension of the woman's body. That's my touchy subject opinion haha.

    I don't buy the slippery slope argument that same-sex marriage will lead to bestiality. I think that a lot of the same reasons in favour of same-sex marriage are also used in favour of polygamy, so in a sense yes, I think it might lead to legalization of polygamy some day.
  • Elle1036Elle1036 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_touchy-subject-poll?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:11beda3e-84de-4377-8f93-b9dcd49447e7Post:efe26cd5-9c85-4f5e-8d17-05252465a38c">Re: Touchy Subject Poll</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Touchy Subject Poll : Are there not permanent methods of birth control?
    Posted by Ana_2985[/QUOTE]

    Play around on google for a while.  There are plenty of stories of couples who get pregnant <em>after</em> tubal ligations or vasectomies.  It's rare, but it happens.

    A complete hysterectomy would do the trick, but that's a major surgery and has hormonal implications.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_touchy-subject-poll?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:11beda3e-84de-4377-8f93-b9dcd49447e7Post:06f7b59c-6d80-494e-91c6-54075bf72a98">Touchy Subject Poll</a>:
    [QUOTE]So a post on one of the other boards got me thinking (completely a curiosity factor)...are you guys pro-choice or pro-life? I'll answer first.  <strong>I am pro-choice (and to be completely honest, I really think that the opposite of that isn't 'pro-life', but 'anti-choice').  I don't know if I would ever have one myself (luckily, I haven't had to make that decision).  However, I still really hold true to the saying "keep your laws off my body".  Regardless of if I would ever have one or not, I don't like the idea that someone thinks they have the right to tell me what I have to do with my body</strong>. Feel free to add any other 'touchy' questions too.
    Posted by jemmini6[/QUOTE]

    I completely, totally agree. Well said.
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  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_touchy-subject-poll?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:11beda3e-84de-4377-8f93-b9dcd49447e7Post:a236f467-e6cb-4d0d-aef7-1689481131ab">Re: Touchy Subject Poll</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Touchy Subject Poll : The problem with this argument goes back to what you said earlier about death for the baby and mother.  If a woman has a blood disorder that would make pregnancy extremely stressful for her body, should she abstain from sex completely?  <strong>If a couple knows that both members are carriers for Cystic Fibrosis and could therefore have an affected baby, should they abstain? </strong>I just don't feel like you can say "if you don't want a baby, don't have sex," because there's so much gray area.
    Posted by Elle1036[/QUOTE]

    <div>Why should the parents be able to choose for their child whether he would rather have cystic fibrosis (or any other disease/disability) and live or not live at all? If they wouldn't be able to handle a disabled child, there is no reason they shouldn't put him up for adoption, but I don't think this is a good argument for having an abortion.</div>
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_touchy-subject-poll?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:11beda3e-84de-4377-8f93-b9dcd49447e7Post:b723ad7a-3b82-4728-bdfa-11e6620e896b">Re: Touchy Subject Poll</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Touchy Subject Poll : Why would you put that in quotations? It really is their belief system. Regardless on if you agree with it or not, it doesn't make them believe it any less.
    Posted by Narwhal[/QUOTE]

    I agree with you on that, but my problem is that people who use biblical arguements against a legal issue seem to think that their beliefs are the ONLY beliefs that people can have and they try to legislate it.  I just hate the intolerance part of it, you can disagree with something, but still tolerate it because at the end of the day, it doesn't affect you.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_touchy-subject-poll?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:11beda3e-84de-4377-8f93-b9dcd49447e7Post:280bca07-b8ac-4235-bbc4-0b95665c38e4">Re: Touchy Subject Poll</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Touchy Subject Poll : Play around on google for a while.  There are plenty of stories of couples who get pregnant after tubal ligations or vasectomies.  It's rare, but it happens. A complete hysterectomy would do the trick, but that's a major surgery and has hormonal implications.
    Posted by Elle1036[/QUOTE]

    <div>All of this.</div><div>
    </div><div>I know we're talking major genetics issues in this case, but doctors won't do any of these for you if you're until 30 because of the chance that you might want to conceive later on.</div>
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  • desertsundesertsun member
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    I'm totally pro gay marriage. The world always needs more love and less hate and prejudice.

    Also polygamy. What GPB said about consenting adults. Wouldn't be MY choice, but different strokes for different folks.
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  • Ana_2985Ana_2985 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_touchy-subject-poll?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:11beda3e-84de-4377-8f93-b9dcd49447e7Post:280bca07-b8ac-4235-bbc4-0b95665c38e4">Re: Touchy Subject Poll</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Touchy Subject Poll : <strong>Play around on google for a while.  There are plenty of stories of couples who get pregnant after tubal ligations or vasectomies.  It's rare, but it happens.</strong> A complete hysterectomy would do the trick, but that's a major surgery and has hormonal implications.
    Posted by Elle1036[/QUOTE]

    No thanks.  Rare seems like the better option to me.
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  • edited December 2011
    You've posted twice now, but have still yet to give us your opinion, Narwhal.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_touchy-subject-poll?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:11beda3e-84de-4377-8f93-b9dcd49447e7Post:502ea64e-7bfc-44fe-88a6-0a0ce24d924a">Re: Touchy Subject Poll</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Touchy Subject Poll : Why should the parents be able to choose for their child whether he would rather have cystic fibrosis (or any other disease/disability) and live or not live at all? If they wouldn't be able to handle a disabled child, there is no reason they shouldn't put him up for adoption, but I don't think this is a good argument for having an abortion.
    Posted by Narwhal[/QUOTE]

    There are plenty of parents who would agree with you.  There are also parents who would say that condemming a child to a short, painful life is more cruel that aborting befoer the fetus is sentient.
  • redheadtmkredheadtmk member
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    as i stated there are instances when it does not bother me as much  because it is medically or emotionally best. what i have a problem with is the girls who have no medical or emotional issue (as in rape or incest). the baby is totally healthy, they are totally healthy, they are financially capable of caring for it and they choose to abort because its easier and more convenient. i am not saying nobody should have sex because they arent 100% certain the baby and/or pregnancy will be healthy. i am saying if you are having consentual sex knowing there is a chance you could get pregnant, that using abortion as a means of birth control or convenience is wrong. 
  • edited December 2011
    Wow - very touchy subject here but I like it. I am not afraid to say that I am purely pro-choice and all for gay marriage. Lord almightly, does it really matter if two women or two men want to enter a marriage? A man and woman can go get plastered in Vegas without even knowing one another; yes this is all about the sanctity of marriage.

    As for the pro-choice issue; I was raised that way and I stuck with that view as a I grew older. I am not afraid to tell anyone that I have had one before. I was 20 years old, stupid, and thought it would never happen to me. Judge away if you want to but I have never for one day regretted my decision. Because you know what it was MY DECISION.
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  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_touchy-subject-poll?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:11beda3e-84de-4377-8f93-b9dcd49447e7Post:08329e4b-67bb-4427-be2a-def1f2001a11">Re: Touchy Subject Poll</a>:
    [QUOTE]You've posted twice now, but have still yet to give us your opinion, Narwhal.
    Posted by loves2shop4shoes[/QUOTE]

    <div>Well, damn.</div>
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  • Elle1036Elle1036 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_touchy-subject-poll?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:11beda3e-84de-4377-8f93-b9dcd49447e7Post:d9cd9dac-e8aa-465e-929a-136f385f4a04">Re: Touchy Subject Poll</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Touchy Subject Poll : All of this. I know we're talking major genetics issues in this case, but doctors won't do any of these for you if you're until 30 because of the chance that you might want to conceive later on.
    Posted by deburnin[/QUOTE]

    This is true, too.
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    Pro-choice and pro anybody can marry.

    In the same line of illogical thinking of homosexuals marrying and leading to polygamy and bestiality, did heterosexuals marrying lead to same sex marriage?
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    I'm pro-choice, though it's a choice I hope I never have to make. My mom, who is pretty conservative for the most part, says "Any man who has ever had an affair or slept with any woman who isn't his wife doesn't get to say no to abortion."

    I also think gay or straight, black, white, brown, or purple, people should have the same rights. However, I actually think government should get the F out of marriage, period. Let us make contracts with another person regarding inheritance, medical decisions, etc. I shouldn't have to claim single or married on my taxes. Just tax me based on what I make. Get rid of community property laws, too. (Financially, it's actually in my best interest to stay single.)

    I also don't think anyone under 18 should be getting married, parental permission or not.
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