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Dealing with family?

We've been together for roughly a year (next week is our one year anniversary). There's a rather odd and complicated story behind how we met and how we came to be where we are now, but I'll try to shorten it (the details are kind of important). 

We knew each other for several years before becoming a couple, but were only really close until six months before the relationship started. Because we're a little over 5 years apart, we kept the relationship a secret for four months. I was 18, and he was 23. While my family and friends fully embraced the relationship, his family was a bit more skeptical. While I was in my first year of college when we met, I had been taking a semester off to work full time, save up money and transfer to a school on the west coast. We lived on opposite sides of the country and the relationship was long distance for the first six months (we visited each other every other month and video chatted in between). 

We moved in during late spring. We've been a couple for a year now, and we've been living together for six months. I currently work full time and go to school part time in the evenings, and he's already working his dream job (and has been for over two years). We're well off, very comfortable, and we own a house so money is not a problem. 

 For those of you who will say we moved in too soon, we did keep to separate bedrooms until recently, to avoid moving "too fast". 

  The main issue is that everyone approves whole heartedly of the relationship, except for his parents. His mom seems happier about it than his dad and usually refrains from commenting, but his dad has been very vocal with his opinion. His dad thought we moved in too fast, that I was too young (even though I've been living on my own for almost two years now), and that we haven't been together long enough to consider the relationship serious. In his dad's mind, because we kept it a secret for four months, we've only been together for eight months instead of a year (is there really a difference?). I can understand why his dad's a little skeptical.

 We intend to get married--not until late 2012--but we do intend to. In fact, we've started taking the premarital course at a local church. He's going to propose sometime this winter to make it a little more "official", but we're heading in that direction with or without the pretty accessory. Right now we're focused on improving ourselves as individuals and strengthening our relationship to prepare for marriage in the future (it's a big step, after all). 

 He spoke to his dad a couple months back about the concept of proposing, but his dad was very against the idea. His dad thinks that one should not even consider marrying a person (should put it off the table) for two years.

 By the time any wedding happens, we'll have been together for three years. A long engagement is hardly dangerous (especially since we've been taking a premarital course and will start counseling in the spring). However, it seems that his dad has trouble understanding that. To him, engagement = getting married within six months. That's hardly the case.

 Getting engaged and telling him after the fact would offend him greatly, so the boyfriend is trying to find a way to explain it to him beforehand so that he has more time to digest and accept it. It's just really hard to think of the best way to do it, since we're limited to IM, email and phone calls with his parents. 

  What I'm asking is: what's the best, most respectful way to explain this to his father?

Re: Dealing with family?

  • heyimbrenheyimbren member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_dealing-family?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:1ce2b1a3-3488-4f90-8523-3226a327b80aPost:33bdc2a3-9ac2-4535-90ff-e3989e35632c">Dealing with family?</a>:
    [QUOTE]We've been together for roughly a year (next week is our one year anniversary). There's a rather odd and complicated story behind how we met and how we came to be where we are now, but I'll try to shorten it (the details are kind of important).  We knew each other for several years before becoming a couple, but were only really close until six months before the relationship started. Because we're a little over 5 years apart, we kept the relationship a secret for four months. I was 18, and he was 23. While my family and friends fully embraced the relationship, his family was a bit more skeptical. While I was in my first year of college when we met, I had been taking a semester off to work full time, save up money and transfer to a school on the west coast. We lived on opposite sides of the country and the relationship was long distance for the first six months (we visited each other every other month and video chatted in between).  We moved in during late spring. We've been a couple for a year now, and we've been living together for six months. I currently work full time and go to school part time in the evenings, and he's already working his dream job (and has been for over two years). We're well off, very comfortable, and we own a house so money is not a problem.   For those of you who will say we moved in too soon, we did keep to separate bedrooms until recently, to avoid moving "too fast".    The main issue is that everyone approves whole heartedly of the relationship, except for his parents. His mom seems happier about it than his dad and usually refrains from commenting, but his dad has been very vocal with his opinion. His dad thought we moved in too fast, that I was too young (even though I've been living on my own for almost two years now), and that we haven't been together long enough to consider the relationship serious. In his dad's mind, because we kept it a secret for four months, we've only been together for eight months instead of a year (is there really a difference?). I can understand why his dad's a little skeptical.  We intend to get married--not until late 2012--but we do intend to. In fact, we've started taking the premarital course at a local church. He's going to propose sometime this winter to make it a little more "official", but we're heading in that direction with or without the pretty accessory. Right now we're focused on improving ourselves as individuals and strengthening our relationship to prepare for marriage in the future (it's a big step, after all).   He spoke to his dad a couple months back about the concept of proposing, but his dad was very against the idea. His dad thinks that one should not even consider marrying a person (should put it off the table) for two years.  By the time any wedding happens, we'll have been together for three years. A long engagement is hardly dangerous (especially since we've been taking a premarital course and will start counseling in the spring). However, it seems that his dad has trouble understanding that. To him, engagement = getting married within six months. That's hardly the case.  Getting engaged and telling him after the fact would offend him greatly, so the boyfriend is trying to find a way to explain it to him beforehand so that he has more time to digest and accept it. It's just really hard to think of the best way to do it, since we're limited to IM, email and phone calls with his parents.     What I'm asking is: what's the best, most respectful way to explain this to his father?
    Posted by kreebbymoiph[/QUOTE]

    It sounds to me like you've done as much as you can to reasonably present yourselves as a couple to his father. He may never really be happy, or totally accept that you want to get married so soon. You may just have to live with that. I think the best way is to really just say what you posted here. You're going through pre-marital counselling, you're going to have a longer engagement to put in some more time. Acknowledge that it's a big step, but you're both ready and you'd love his support during this change.

    <strong>However,</strong> I don't think keeping your relationship <strong>a secret</strong> for 4 months was a good way of presenting yourselvs as a grown up couple. So I can understand where he's coming from there. No, 4 months isn't very long, but you specifically said that you kept it a secret. I imagine my family would be hurt to learn I'd kept a secret for that long from them. I think it would be nice to also apologize for that.

    I can also see his point about what the point is in having a long engagement. He may never really understand that, but remember that his opinion on that may be valid too so I'd just advise that you remain respectful of that.
  • bethsmilesbethsmiles member
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    edited December 2011
    Keeping your relationship for 4 months was not a good idea. It gives people the impression that somewhere in the back of your minds you wondered if your relationship was ok. Its not a very mature decision in any sense. Its never a very good idea to lie. But that's water under the bridge now. I think your BF needs to be up front with his dad and just tell him this is how it is and you can't change it. In my experience once people realize they have no control over the situation they come around better than if you constantly try to appease them and they have a feeling of control over you.


  • edited December 2011
    I agree. It was stupid to keep it a secret for the first for months. It sort of happened on accident, as neither of us thought to tell anyone and nobody acted suspicious, but after awhile I realized that we'd need to be up front with our parents about it and so we came clean. I don't think it would have been an issue, but seeing as neither of us lived with or near our parents at the time these sort of things slip through the cracks.

    If I could go back, I would have told both parents sooner. We didn't outright lie, but we did avoid going around announcing it to people and naturally it was impossible for people to know until we told them.

    Bethsmiles, I think you have an excellent point. Sometimes I guess, people just need to accept the things they cannot control and live with them. 

    heyimbren, we try to be as respectful as possible. It's not so much that he's opposed to the long engagement as he doesn't believe us. He seems to be under the impression that even though we say "long engagement", we're going to go off and elope sometime within the next year. You made a good point as well, though, so thank you. What you said was actually comforting.
  • Ana_2985Ana_2985 member
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    If you don't plan to marry until late 2012 anyway, where's the harm in waiting a little while longer to get engaged?  I would never suggest putting your life on hold to make other people happy, but IMO changing the engagement length will have no effect on when you and your BF get married.  What it WILL do, hopefully, is improve your relationship with your FILs.  And that is worth it to me.
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  • zipis1zipis1 member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_dealing-family?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:1ce2b1a3-3488-4f90-8523-3226a327b80aPost:1ed877db-4440-4517-9803-3acdc205c42b">Re: Dealing with family?</a>:
    [QUOTE]If you don't plan to marry until late 2012 anyway, where's the harm in waiting a little while longer to get engaged?  I would never suggest putting your life on hold to make other people happy, but IMO changing the engagement length will have no effect on when you and your BF get married.  What it WILL do, hopefully, is improve your relationship with your FILs.  And that is worth it to me.
    Posted by Ana_2985[/QUOTE]

    Agreed.

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  • leia1979leia1979 member
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    edited December 2011
    I also think Ana's suggestion is great. Some people really do think engagement equals "getting married really soon." My dad is that way and thinks it's weird that we're waiting a year.
  • bethsmilesbethsmiles member
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    edited December 2011
    I agree with Ana too. My mom is the same way as your BF's dad in that that they think engagements are short and there is no purpose in a long engagement. BF and I happen to agree with that so we are waiting to get engaged. In your case I don't think it would cause any harm to just wait to get engaged.

    On the other hand you can't let his dad bully you into doing something you don't want to and I think my previous advice still stands.


  • edited December 2011
    I personally don't see why it's such a huge deal that they kept their relationship on the DL for the first few months....  I mean, before now, when I dated someone new I didn't bring them around my family or anything until I was comfortable enough in the relationship and that could sometimes even take longer than just 4 months. 

    Sounds like you're going about this the right way.  But, like others have said, sometimes people just won't be happy and that's something you and him will have to agree to live with.  You can't spend your life worrying about what someone else thinks or try over and over again to make them happy.  If this is what you two want, then that's what matters. 

    Good Luck!
  • heyimbrenheyimbren member
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    edited December 2011
    Jeter - I don't have a problem with keeping things on the DL, but before OP clarified what she meant by "secret" it sounded to me more like purposefully trying to hide the relationship which I don't see as good. If it was just keeping things on the DL, then that's different and I don't see any problem with that.
  • edited December 2011
    Thank-you guys.

    He might push it back by a month or two, but it's his decision. I don't see the harm in waiting, though. There is some confusion on when the wedding will be since we're torn between two dates. While we both really want a fall themed wedding, we both fell in love with a date in the very early spring/late winter. The date is special to us, and it falls on a Saturday so it would be perfect for a wedding. We figured that we'd wait until actual wedding planning began to pick a date, however. The when does not change the outcome anyway.

    You're all correct, though. Sometimes you just need to be up front and stand in the face is disappointment. I'm sure they'll get over it after they realize we're not going off to elope. Nothing really changes except for the fact that I have a ring on my finger and it's "official". 

     What I'm still unsure of is the best way to tell them. While he would prefer to do it by phone or over IM chat, sometimes I think that an email would be the best way to explain. that way you get everything you want to say out there before anyone can cut in and interrupt you. The phone is more respectful, but it does pose some risk of miscommunication. What do you guys think?


  • bethsmilesbethsmiles member
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    edited December 2011
    Do it over the phone (in person is best but that may not be possible). Things can be way misinterpreted over e-mail or IM. It is more respectful I guess but really it should be done over the phone so that there is less likelihood of his dad taking something wrong way.


  • heyimbrenheyimbren member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_dealing-family?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:1ce2b1a3-3488-4f90-8523-3226a327b80aPost:fa6a6bca-4008-4dd1-95a7-7bd7dbcb670e">Re: Dealing with family?</a>:
    [QUOTE]Do it over the phone (in person is best but that may not be possible). Things can be way misinterpreted over e-mail or IM. It is more respectful I guess but really it should be done over the phone so that there is less likelihood of his dad taking something wrong way.
    Posted by bethsmiles[/QUOTE]

    Exactly this. I really think you should try your hardest to do it in person though.
  • edited December 2011
    They live 2000 miles away, so in person is impossible right now. :(

    The biggest stress I'm encountering with the scenario is that he tried to tell his parents about the plans when he was visiting them in June. I was not aware of this until after the fact. His dad interrupted him, and said "absolutely not, don't even think about marriage". Later, they were talking about it through emails and his dad kept saying that it was too soon (perhaps it was at the time) to even consider marriage and that I was too young and might be in it for his money. 

    It's ridiculous, because I work hard and pay my own way. This is a bit of a rant, but sometimes his parents really bug me. They're really good people, but they're very authoritative. The way things work around their house is whatever they say goes, end of question. They tried to get involved even with my boyfriend's house hunting (he eventually decided on his own, though he appreciated their help). He's the eldest of four boys, so he's breaking the ice for his brothers. His parents aren't used to not having control in a situation. Now here he is, making big life decisions, and they still don't know how to butt out. They still want control and expect him to drop everything he's planning and listen to them.

     When we moved in, he made it clear that we were doing so and that if there was an issue with it, I would look into dorming or getting an apartment. His father said something along the lines of "I don't think it's a very good idea it's very soon and I think trying to take responsibility for her so soon in the relationship can cause a lot of stress". He took his dad's advice into account, but still moved on with the decision. After his dad found out that we had moved in, he was angry that my boyfriend had "blatantly defied him". His mom later sent an email saying that neither of us should worry, that she trusts my boyfriend's judgement because he's so successful and generally makes good decisions, and that dad will come around.

     What his dad does, though, is think that just because he showed the slightest bit of disapproval, my boyfriend--a grown man--should drop everything and listen. It's something his dad will have to learn to deal with, but in the mean time it is very, very irritating. 

     Their family works different from mine. Growing up, I had no mother and my dad traveled for a living. I took care of myself most of the time. When there was an issue, my dad and I would debate it. Regardless of how much we disagreed, we always listened to each other's rants and opinions. When his parents have made up their mind about something, they refuse to listen to what you have to say. They'll just say "end of discussion" and walk away, which to me is appallingly rude. 

     I bite my tongue and mind my manners when I'm around them, but had anyone in my family ever acted like that it would have turned into a full fledged argument about respect. 

      Ultimately, it's up to him to deal with them. He comes to me for advice and so I go to you. But his parents just drive me nuts sometimes. 


  • heyimbrenheyimbren member
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    edited December 2011
    Can you go visit them, say around Christmas time to talk about this? I really do believe it would be your best way of doing it.

    But if not, I'd use the phone. And your BF will just have to be firm. I know you're venting, but the reality is his father may not agree and come around for YEARS. And you'll just have to live with that, no matter how hard it is. But the important thing is that you do both take his advice seriously and into account. Then you can only prove something through actions.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_dealing-family?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:1ce2b1a3-3488-4f90-8523-3226a327b80aPost:84b020b1-fc70-4c14-9628-a47e42c52406">Re: Dealing with family?</a>:
    [QUOTE]Can you go visit them, say around Christmas time to talk about this? I really do believe it would be your best way of doing it. But if not, I'd use the phone. And your BF will just have to be firm. I know you're venting, but the reality is his father may not agree and come around for YEARS. And you'll just have to live with that, no matter how hard it is. But the important thing is that you do both take his advice seriously and into account. Then you can only prove something through actions.
    Posted by heyimbren[/QUOTE]

    We actually are visiting them for Christmas, though there is a fear of spoiling the holiday. I appreciate your honesty. I know his dad will come around eventually regardless of how much time it takes. You're absolutely right though, and I shall take your advice into consideration.
  • heyimbrenheyimbren member
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    edited December 2011
    I sincerely hope it goes well, and that it doesn't "spoil the holiday". Really, I hope it does go well for you as hard as it is. Families are hard to deal with at times.

    Good luck!
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