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Am I wasting my time? Will he ever trust again enough to commit?

I am 32-years old and I’ve been with my partner for 4 years, living with him for 3 of those years. He was previously married, for a short time (9-months) to a woman who one day left him after announcing she is gay. She moved out of their home and in with another woman right away, so he has some issues with trust. He finalized his separation five years ago and finally got the divorce a year ago (he had been procrastinating about it due to cost and the fact that all they had left to do was sign the divorce papers, everything in court was done). He is an only-child who was brought up by unmarried parents who separated when he was 7. He had a workaholic father who meant well but just didn’t spend much time with him as a child. I was brought up by happily married parents with a dad who worked and a stay-at-home mom.  


Throughout our entire relationship I’ve always made it clear that I eventually wanted to get married and have a child someday, and he never had a negative response to this exactly. Whenever I brought up the subject of future children he said he “didn’t know” and he had “never really thought about it”. I told him to put some real thought into and left the subject alone for almost a year. Recently I’ve brought it up again and he still is unsure what he wants. I also brought up marriage and his response was to cover up his face with his hands and say “I just don’t know if I want to go through with all that again”. He claims he’s afraid due to the fact that the house is in his name and if we were to marry (we live in Ontario where it is called the matrimonial home, so a pre-nup would not change anything re the house), I would automatically be entitled to half if we were to separate even though I did not purchase the home or pay any of the mortgage (since house is not in my name and I make less than half what he makes annually, I contribute to bills, groceries and other expenses). He also claims that because things are good the way they are now, why change anything. He told me that I’m his best friend, that he loves me and he has no plans to leave me at any time, and when I told him that having a child is a dealbreaker for me, he got very teary eyed. 


I am considering and brought up with him the idea of a commitment ceremony, basically a small “wedding ceremony” with exchange of rings, vows, friends and family present. To me it would be a marriage as I like the tradition of it, and the exchanging of vows. It just wouldn’t be a marriage in the eyes of the government. We’d sign a cohabitation agreement and have wills done to protect each other, but he wouldn’t have to worry about losing his home. He agreed that would be a good idea but nothing more has been said about it. My sister even offered to let us have the ceremony at her home on the river this coming summer if we wanted to cut down on costs. My family and his mother were really questioning him and putting the pressure on him “jokingly” over Christmas (which I thought was a bit annoying as that might just make him shut down more). 


I don’t know whether to bring it up again, or wait a bit and bring it up….or whether it’s simply time to just leave him. I just don’t want to waste more time with him if he will still be undecided a year from now….I love him and I want to be sensitive to his trust issues but I may be only hurting myself by staying. I suggested he go to counseling to deal with these issues and he agreed it could be a good idea but nothing has been done about it. I just don’t know what to do anymore and it really hurts.

Re: Am I wasting my time? Will he ever trust again enough to commit?

  • Can you please break that up into paragraphs?
    5/27/12
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  • How old is your SO? If he's over 30, I have a hard time believing he's never thought about whether he wants to have children. He sounds very reluctant, and if this truly is a dealbreaker for you, then this may not be the right relationship for you.

    It's concerning that he doesn't seem very open to discussing these important issues. You've told him how you feel, and he doesn't want to commit to an answer. Maybe others will have ideas, but I don't really know what else to tell you.
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_am-wasting-time-will-ever-trust-again-enough-commit?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:4b3fc8be-8816-4b78-a910-17b05d614e22Post:60a0cc6f-e44c-41c0-a585-6409721ba3b6">Re: Am I wasting my time? Will he ever trust again enough to commit?</a>:
    [QUOTE]But he got together with you knowing that you wanted marriage and children. If he doesn't want that, he needs to be honest with you so you can move on. 
    Posted by LivLeighton[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>This.</div><div>
    </div><div>Like PPs have said, you're not some yuppy teenagers who haven't had time to grow and mature yet. You're grown adults. If you want marriage and children, and he very obviously does not, I think it's time to cut your losses and move on.

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  • I absolutely agree with everything PP's have said, especially Liv. There is a period of mourning after a relationship, especially a marriage. I understand his trust issues from his childhood as well as his marriage. When you began your relationship with your SO, I would expect some periods of adjustment and maybe some long talks about trust and some issues that some other couples may not have to deal with right off the bat. I get that. 

    But, as liv said, you are both adults. You want marriage and children (and there's nothing wrong with that). You guys haven't been together 6 months and you are rushing him wondering when he's gonna put a ring on it and put a baby in you. It's been four years. He needs to be open to talking about this with you and making a plan you are BOTH comfortable with (not just him). And if he's not prepared to give you that, you must be prepared to walk away. 

    I know it's not easy. I know the thought of leaving someone you love is heartbreaking. But you will kick yourself, and grow to resent him (if not worse), if you wait for him and he never gets it together. At 37, 40, 43...if you haven't gotten married and are still in the same situation, you will kick yourself. You may have missed your window to have biological children, if that's what you want, and you will have made it much harder on yourself to adopt as well (your age would be a factor to many agencies...especially if you walk away at that point and would be a single mother). You will regret not pushing the issue with him (NOT setting an ultimatum, but talking firm timelines and plans). 

    Good luck and keep us posted. 
  • DanieKADanieKA member
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    edited January 2012
    Also, I liked your last suggestion about counseling. He might really need it from the way you describe it. People are sometimes so hesitant to go to therapy/counseling because they see it as something for people with mental issues. Or people who need meds. That's so not true. Yes, they are there for that, but any problems you have, it's good to talk it out with someone. And if he's having trust issues, a therapist that deals with relationships/marriages may be just the outside, unbiased person to help. 

    Keep trying. Keep suggesting. He can always stop if he doesn't like it, and if he does, all the better. Just one session at a time. You don't have to buy a package or anything! You can't keep having these conversations where something good seems to come out of them, but then nothing happens. There's no follow-up (another issue altogether, IMO). Hopefully there's some progress soon. 

    Good luck again!  
  • Methinks you should dump him.  Sounds like you want more than he's willing to give.
  • doubleSS07doubleSS07 member
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    edited January 2012
    A year ago I could have typed your whole post (with the exception of the gay ex wife thing).  BF and I had been together 3 years and when marriage and kids came up the only solid answer I got was "I don't know".  I don't know if I want to get married and I don't know if I want to have kids but i love you and don't want to break up...huh?

    I'll be honest i was scared shiitless.  I was scared to speak my mind because what if he said ok then go?  I was scared to NOT say anything because what if I regret not having those things?  I would tip toe around the conversation and not push for real answers.  I finally got to a breaking point and I honestly told him that marriage and the possibility of at least 1 child was importnat to me. I moved away from family and friends for him, changed jobs, moved in to HIS house and now he was expecting me to give up more?  I told him it wasn't fair that I live in his town, in his house, hang with his friends and yet what is importnant to me he doesn't know that he wants.  I said it's a deal breaker.  As much as I do not want to walk away from you and this relationship, I will because I know that if I give up and give in I will hate you, hate myself and be miserable.  he said he was scared to fail, scared to commit to something so big.  I told him we'd do it all together and if I had any say in the matter failing isn't an option.

    You will need to decide for yourself how long you are willing to wait.  I gave him a time frame of about 6 months to think it over and let me know if he honestly saw himself marrying me and having a future together and to let me know.  If not I understood because it is his perogative to NOT want marriage and kids but that I deserved enough respect to be told that and left to then make my own choices. 

    He came back about a month later and said he only sees me in his future and he was ready to move forward.  We shopped, he has a ring and I am patiently awaiting the proposal. BTW I am 33 so I get the time issues creeping in. 

    I think you need to be honest with him and yourself.  You need to have a conversation that is adult and while it will be emotional, you need to be able to be clear about what you want.  I hope that you at least get some clear answers on the subject because the ambiguity of an "I don't know" is the worst!


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  • Ditto PP.

    Make your own decision after an honest talk and be ready for whatever changes you have to make. Life is too short.
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  • It seems like you ignored a lot of red flags going into this relationship (his obvious baggage and trust issues, him dragging his feet to make big life changes like the divorce, letting him not give you a straight answer about your future, the fact that he wouldn't want you to get the house if you split up) and are only starting to be really upset by them now.

    This might come across as harsh, but I don't think that either of you are going to be able to give each other what you really want without a lot of resentment - either he marries you even though he's uncomfortable by it or you stay with him without marriage or children and feel resentful for the rest of your life.

    Counseling would be a great idea if he was willing to go but he doesn't seem willing to do that either. Do you really want to be with someone who doesn't care how you feel on an issue as big as this?
    And if the stormy weather came...I'd just kiss you in the rain... Daisypath Anniversary tickers image
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