Not Engaged Yet

Update: I love him, but I kinda wanna strangle him!

So per Cate's request I'm updating...

FI decided that he wants to try to make it work no matter what it takes because imagining his life without me and my son in it made him feel completely empty (once he calmed down).  He feels absolutely horrible about what he said and did to me and the way that he hurt me.  He has apologized and I know that he is sorry and wasn't thinking straight.  I love him to death, but I also do not trust that he will not end up doing the same thing in time at this point.  We both agree that the only way that we have any chance of making this work is getting some professional help.  He needs to be able to effectively communicate his emotions to me without holding it in or freaking out.  I need him to prove that he is getting better at this and that he is putting forth the effort and time to make it better and not just in the short term, but forever.  I need to trust that he wants to get married and be married for better or worse, through the good times and bad and that he is as committed as I am to marriage.  He needs to know that I believe in him and trust him and am not conctantly fearing that he's going to freak out and leave me hanging.

He realizes that he let a lot of little stuff build up because he didn't want to argue over things like dishes, hair in the shower strainer (which I clean out before my next shower everytime but he thinks is gross) etc.  I told him that it is okay to be bothered by things and that being bothered and telling me about it does not mean we will argue... sure sometimes we might, but sometimes it can be just a hey this bothers me can you try not to do it.  I also said that we need to decide what bothers who... for example I clean the bathroom (and have since well before I moved in) because I do not like a dirty bathroom, but I despise handwashing dishes therefore I can let them pile up because I'd rather not wash them unless I need a clean counter and sink to cook or we are having people over.  He is the opposite in this matter.

So after that we've decided to get help and try to make it work before throwing in the towel and walking away.  Neither of us want to look back and wonder "what if" so it seems like the only way to know.   We contacted our Priest and asked for counseling recommendations and got a list of people to contact.  He has put everything else on hold (turned down a shift at the firehouse, turned down a ticket to a OSU football game for tomorrow and Bengals game on Sunday as well as sold a ticket that he already had for Mondays Red's playoff game).  He is trying to prove to me that nothing is more important right now than making this work.  He doesn't turn down shifts at the firehouse and he loves football and the Reds haven't been to the play-offs for 15 years so this does show me he is motivated... that and the fact that he is even willing to do counseling.

Ironically enough I had bought a book for my own reading purposes called keys to a successful marriage or something of the sort on Saturday morning (hours before he freaked out) while looking for a Baptismal gift.  I started reading it Wednesday night and left it on the counter, without saying a word he read the intro and said that he thinks that we should read it together in the time that we are waiting to get set up with a counselor.

Also, I brought my old bed in from the garage and set it up in the spare room so he's been sleeping in there and will be for at least the near future.  I think that having our own space is nice for us to be able to get away as we both still have some unresolved issues/emotions about it all.  I'm still upset and angry with what he did to be but part of me feels sorry for him that he was holding in so much that he got that frustrated and blew up.  He's ashamed and embarrassed by what he did... he won't even show his face right now to his family.  :(

At this point we both still love each other a sh*t ton and would like to see ourselves getting married one day, even if it means pushing the date back to ensure that our foundation is strong.  No matter what happens it will be a tough road for us.... only time will tell how things end up.  In the meantime I'm trying to be as positive as possible whiel still being realistic and just taking things one day at a time.


Oh and today is my last day at the old job... only 1 hour and 35 minutes left... not that I'm counting down or anything! :)
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Re: Update: I love him, but I kinda wanna strangle him!

  • PaigeMcCPaigeMcC member
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    edited December 2011
    I very glad that you two have started to try and work things out.  If you're both committed then  professional help is a good place to start.  I'm glad you're taking it slow.  

    You're a good person, Jess, you deserve a good man.  I'm not saying your FI isn't a good man, I'm just saying there are things that need to be worked on and if you two can do that together then hopefully you can work things out.  Keep your head up and stay strong.  

    I'm keeping you in my thoughts, hunny.

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  • deburnindeburnin member
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    He sounds a lot like my BF. We went through some similar issues last summer and it took a while for the trust to come back. I'm glad that he's willing to work on things and I hope that it works out.
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  • HeartOverMindHeartOverMind member
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    edited December 2011

    I am soooo happy for you! And I think you guys are making the wise decision to get help from the outside and also reading a book together sounds like a great tool to help your relationship!

    My heart dropped when I read your post a few days ago, so I'm really happy that he realized he couldn't be without you!

    I hope that it only gets better from this point on!

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  • calindicalindi member
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    edited December 2011
    Thanks for the update!  I've been worried about you.

    Glad to hear he's willing to get help.  Honestly, it sounds like some arguments I've had with my boyfriend when he gets really stressed.  Your whole thing about hair in the shower and kitchen vs. bathroom also sounds like us.  Trust me, none of it is unforgiveable.  He didn't hit you, say horrible hateful things, or cheat on you.  He got stressed and said he couldn't handle it - did it make you feel bad?  Absolutely.  Should you be angry at him?  Absolutely.  Is it forgiveable?  In my opinion, yes.  So with a little help, you should be able to move past this.

    My suggestion would be perhaps tabling the engagement for now - plan the honeymoon you already booked as a vacation.  That way you won't have a wedding timeline looming over your heads.  Take it easy, spend time figuring out how to communicate.  Because ultimately, at its root, this is a communication issue.  He didn't tell you what was bothering him, he let it build up, and then was unable to communicate his stress.  You both need to learn how to communicate and compromise on household things (which is why I'm so glad we lived together before marriage, since we've been able to sort out a lot of these types of things).  And he needs to learn how to handle his stress without taking it out on you.

    Good luck!  If you ever need a shoulder, I'm here!

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  • desertsundesertsun member
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    edited December 2011
    I've heard this is a really good book for couples counseling:
    http://www.amazon.com/Hold-Me-Tight-Conversations-Lifetime/dp/031611300X/ref=pd_sim_b_11

    I agree with Paige -- you're a good person and you deserve to be happy. Wishing you all the best!
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  • edited December 2011
    I'm happy if you're happy dwest.  It sounds like you are going about this the right way.  Not jumping back into it thinking everything is just perfect.  I'm glad to hear about the counseling and you being realistic about the situation.  I do hope everything works out - whether that means you two staying together or not - you and little man deserve happiness!  Good luck!
  • edited December 2011
    Thank you all so much, I really appreciate all the kind words.  It's been a rough few days for sure, I've been sleeping but am still exhausted from being so upset, stressed and losing sleep for days that I'm so sleepy and been yawning and yawning.  I am sooo looking forward to having a glass or 3 of wine tonight and then sleeping in as late as my body will allow tomorrow!


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  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_update-love-him-but-kinda-wanna-strangle-him?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:6e7b2c07-0424-4f43-9109-6e6fe6ac2b4cPost:56278ab8-1dbc-4beb-8714-bfe6fadb6105">Re: Update: I love him, but I kinda wanna strangle him!</a>:
    [QUOTE]I've heard this is a really good book for couples counseling: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Hold-Me-Tight-Conversations-Lifetime/dp/031611300X/ref=pd_sim_b_11" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Hold-Me-Tight-Conversations-Lifetime/dp/031611300X/ref=pd_sim_b_11</a> I agree with Paige -- you're a good person and you deserve to be happy. Wishing you all the best!
    Posted by desertsun[/QUOTE]


    I will have to check that out... thanks, Desert!
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  • MLekathLEENMLekathLEEN member
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    edited December 2011
    I'm really glad that you guys have decided to work things out. I was so bummed when I read you last post and I've been wondering how you were doing. I'm also glad your going to take things slow and not pretend like nothing happened. Communication is key in every relationship and I think you two are on the right track by working things out and learning how to communicate with eachother more efficiently. Good Luck hunny and thanks for the update!

    WOO HOO for your last day of work. Enjoy the weekend!!
  • babybchbumbabybchbum member
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    edited December 2011
    SO I serously started crying while reading this.. I am so happy for you and am glad you BOTH have made the decision to work through this together. Times can be tough (as you well know) but things are always greener on the other side.

    Please keep us updated and I'm glad to know you will be hanging around again!
  • loopy82loopy82 member
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    edited December 2011
    I'm glad to hear that you two are in the process of working on things. I truly hope you can work things out. I wish the best for the two of you!

    Good luck with the new job!

    Oh and that wine you drink tonight. Don't get pumpkin wine. It's quite terrible. I commend you for saying wine. I would have been all over the captain if I was in your position.
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  • edited December 2011

    I'm so happy he's willing to try to work things out.  Guys can get so frustrating sometimes when you're trying to get them to communicate. 

    There was a woman at an al-anon meeting I used to go to that had been married over 50 years (not betraying her anonymity on this - she gave me permission to use her story whenever I saw fit).   She said whenever she'd get really irritated at her husband or they'd have a "fight", she would go into "her" room (a craft room or something, I think it was) and hang out in there - sometimes up to 2+ hours until her husband got a clue.  When he was ready to either apologize for being a jerk or ready to discuss their "fight", he'd come and knock on her door.  She'd let him in when SHE was ready to talk.

    She used to drive me crazy telling that story over and over again, but now the story really makes sense to me.  It actually gives my FI and me comfort to know that even a couple who has been married for more than 50 years still needs to have a time out sometimes.  We've agreed that there will always be times that we need our own space, need to do things with our friends or just on our own and we need to allow the other the time to do that.

    I'm really thinking good thoughts for you!

  • edited December 2011
    I've been thinking about you! So glad you guys are taking the time you need to make your relationship work. Please keep us updated!
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_update-love-him-but-kinda-wanna-strangle-him?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:6e7b2c07-0424-4f43-9109-6e6fe6ac2b4cPost:83306857-1302-4a05-b5c4-e7a27e3f5ec7">Re: Update: I love him, but I kinda wanna strangle him!</a>:
    [QUOTE]I'm glad to hear that you two are in the process of working on things. I truly hope you can work things out. I wish the best for the two of you! Good luck with the new job! Oh and that wine you drink tonight. Don't get pumpkin wine. It's quite terrible. I commend you for saying wine. I would have been all over the captain if I was in your position.
    Posted by loopy82[/QUOTE]


    That's funny.  I didn't have a drop to drink all week and ended up going with the Captain instead of the wine anyways... we had bbq from a local smokehouse and Captain and Coke just sounded so good with it!  So we're watching the reds lose...Boo!
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  • edited December 2011
    Thanks for the update DWest!  I'm glad to hear you guys are working through this.  Like I said before, everything happens for a reason.  This fight really could make your relationship a lot stronger by showing now (rather than later) that you need to work on your communication.  You can do it!
  • loopy82loopy82 member
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    edited December 2011
    Captain is quite amazing. I can commiserate about the ball games. We've been watching the Twins lose to the Yankess all week. Boo on that!
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  • katanne9katanne9 member
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    edited December 2011
    I haven't really gotten to comment on anything yet bc I've been out of town, but I hope you can step back and look at this objectively. I know there have been issues between you guys before, and just make sure your son comes first. Good luck Dwest. : )
  • edited December 2011
    Dwest:

    I am glad to hear that you and FI are working on things. That makes me extremely happy! I'm sorry I have been so out of the loop but I can tell you are happier just knowing that he wants to work on things. I think it's a great idea for you two to get counseling; you obviously know what you want and need. :)

    I wish you nothing but the best of luck and if you need anything email me!

    PS- at least he didn't waste time at the playoff game - ugh! Stupid Reds.
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  • edited December 2011
    Loopy, I do love the Captain... don't drink much of it (or anything else for that matter) these days, but I certainly love it when I get the chance to partake.

    Kat, thank you for your concerns.  It's a difficult decision and after a lot of thought I knew that I wasn't ready to just walk away.  I love him and I know that he really loves me.  He admits he has things to work on with the way that he personally deals with things, regardless of what happens for us.  We have communication barriers because of this and other things as well, I'm sure so that is another thing to work on.  For now we are trying to get into counseling (calling around checking to see if insurance will cover his, etc.) and reading that book as well as just spending more time together actually talking about things.  We both know that it's an uphill battle and neither of us is ready to walk away at this point so uphill we shall travel.

    Dreamer, thanks we are trying... there is a lot of love but also a lot of frustration right now.  We are trying to communicate better and become stronger so that we will be able to move beyond the past and forward with a stronger and happier relationship.
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