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disasters - LONG

so...  i have two friends.  Girl and Boy.  they are engaged, but not to each other.

Girl got engaged to her BF of 6 months in july.  Boy got jealous, and got engaged to his GF of 2 months a couple weeks after Girl got engaged.

waitasecond...  back up.
Boy got married at 19 (somewhere's about there) and divorced 2 or 3 years later.  before the divorce was finalized, he had a new GF, GF-A.  GF-A moved from another state into his house with his family (parents and bro) after less than 6 months of dating.  6 months or so after they started dating, they were planning their wedding and making payments on a ring.  GF-A randomly breaks up with Boy (THANK GOD!).  Boy has 4 more girlfriends (that he "met" on FB) in 2 months.  the 4th GF, GF-E, sticks with him.  she has a 5 year old daughter and lives 8 or 9 hours away. 

okay.  so Girl gets engaged, Boy gets engaged to GF-E a couple weeks after Girl.  (confused yet??)

random question:  do you think Boy used the same ring that he had started making payments on for GF-A??  hmmm...

so...

Girl's parents are paying for this super fancy wedding.  custom-made dress, etc.  the GM are paying $50 for new suits (FI's parents are paying for the rest of the suits)...  BM are paying $135 + alterations + new shoes for the dresses.  sigh.

Girl picked cute dresses, but she wants to add sleeves on them.  she ordered them off the internet without going to try them on, even though they sold them IN STORE an hour away from here.

i showed my aunt who is a pro seamstress (she designs and makes wedding and BM dresses all the time) who promptly informs me that there is no way she can add sleeves and make these alterations to the dresses because of the cut of the armholes, etc.  she says it's a disaster for the bride.

Girl ordered the dresses last night and won't get them until the end of december.  the wedding is 2-5-2011.  she does not have a seamstress lined up to do the alterations.  she could have seen these dresses and bought them from a store an hour away.  what??

and... AND...  this is depressing.  i normally wear a size 2 or 4.  i have a curvy butt and hips.  she wanted to order me a 10!!!!! because the cut of the dress is so strange... a 10, people. 

anyway.  back to Boy.  Boy and GF-E's original wedding date was Oct. 2011 (over a year away)...  but he decided to move it up to April 2011.  he found out that Girl is having a coffee bar at her reception (which, BTW, i wanted to do, but since Girl got engaged first she gets to do it)...  so Boy informs us that he is going to have not only a coffee bar... but a coffee bar THEME!!!  it's going to be called, "GF-E and Boy's Coffee Shop"... 

oh yes.  that's really happening.

someone on FB asked GF-E what her colors were, and Boy wrote "frog green and diarrhea brown"... 

really, Boy?  REALLY?

oh.  Girl's FI also didn't have a job and dropped out of college with one semester left to get married because they couldn't wait.  Girl also dropped out with one semester left, but she's a couple years older than FI...  so FI didn't have a job (AT ALL) and Girl had a job as a secretary for a law firm.  they have no money.  FI found a job in another state as a teller at a bank, so now she is going to quit her job and move there and try to find a job there.  neither have a degree or a trade.  i guess they're going to live on love?

and Boy is just stupid.  i can't stand him.  for the longest time he kept saying, "I bet you wish your BF would propose and that you could have a ring..."  seriously.  he was like, "I bet you feel really left out right now" and "you know, you're the only one of us left who isn't married"...  i finally got fed up and said that i preferred to date longer than 2 months to commit my life to someone and i didn't want to make HIS mistakes and end up divorced in a couple years.  did it even phase him?  no.  NO NO NO.

basically... i needed to vent.  i'm ordering a size 10 in a dress that is a disaster and i'm surrounded by crazy people!!

on a happier note... i'm drinking a NF mocha and eating a spinach feta wrap from starbucks. 
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  • edited December 2011
    My head hurts...enjoy your mocha and your wrap. Sounds yummy.


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  • heyimbrenheyimbren member
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    edited December 2011
    I fail to see what any of this really has to do with you, besides the dress. I mean, it is complicated but so what? It isn't your wedding.

    The dress thing, I can understand being frustrated with having to buy and wear a dress that you never tried on. But to be fair, dress sizes in bridal wear tend to be much higher than regular dress sizes. It doesn't make sense, but it's true.

    Also, I think it's ridiculous that people try to call "dibs" on wedding ideas just because they got engaged first.
  • calindicalindi member
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    edited December 2011
    Why is Boy jealous of Girl?  I read the whole thing, my head hurts, and I still don't understand.  Is she one of his ex's?  Is he friends with her?

    He sounds like a real catch, regardless.  And I wouldn't bother hypothesizing about someone else's dress - she'll deal with her own crap if and when it becomes a problem.  There's no reason to stress about whether or not someone else ever tried on her dress in person - that's her issue.

    Also, just because they're both doing coffee bars doesn't mean you can't.  I mean, if none of us ever did the same thing as someone else, we'd have run out of colors years ago, never had a bouquet toss, and pick-ups on wedding dresses would have been out of style a long time ago.

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  • PaigeMcCPaigeMcC member
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    edited December 2011
    I love wedding competition drama.  Fun fun.

    Your friends are silly.  Good luck, hun

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  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_disasters-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:e924fafc-42b6-415c-9c3b-4f1482695449Post:29152b20-fc83-4a67-bf70-ffdb930d7299">Re: disasters - LONG</a>:
    [QUOTE]Why is Boy jealous of Girl?  I read the whole thing, my head hurts, and I still don't understand. He sounds like a real catch, regardless.  And I wouldn't bother hypothesizing about someone else's dress - she'll deal with her own crap if and when it becomes a problem.  There's no reason to stress about whether or not someone else ever tried on her dress in person - that's her issue. Also, just because they're both doing coffee bars doesn't mean you can't.  I mean, if none of us ever did the same thing as someone else, we'd have run out of colors years ago, never had a bouquet toss, and pick-ups on wedding dresses would have been out of style a long time ago.
    Posted by calindi[/QUOTE]

    i don't understand either!  from what i have seen, Boy can't be alone...  and Boy is always competing with everyone else.  always.

    i have to wear this BM dress...  we didn't get to try them on.  she's ordering them from a website even though she could have let us try them on at a store an hour away.

    i feel a little upset because Girl and i had discussed ideas and looked at things together, and a lot of the things i said that i would like to do...  she ended up doing.  i wouldn't have done that (she wanted to do outside games at her reception, when she thought she would get married in the summer, so i knew that i wouldn't do anything like that)...  we grew up together and are pretty close.  and right now she's throwing all kinds of comments at me like, "yeah, but i'm getting married first, aren't you jealous?"...  and when i mentioned something about still having coffee at my wedding (because we are both huge coffee drinkers) she said, yeah but mine will be so much better and i got to do it first.

    i just got really upset last night because of the dresses and comments.

    but nevermind.  just enjoy the craziness of Boy, if you can, without your head exploding. 
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  • MLekathLEENMLekathLEEN member
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    edited December 2011
    This made my brain hurt.. I'm sorry you're surrounded by idiots. I have a cousin that moved to Florida to teach surf lessons and eventually planned on owning his own business once he was making lots of cash. Did I mention he is from Michigan, home of...not surfing? He moved back about two months later and is looking for a job at an art gallery. I told him FedEx was hiring and they have excellent benefits but he "wants money, not benefits." Yes, you will make more money at an tiny no name art gallery than you ever will at FedEx....ummm OKAY. Ok, thats the end of my rant.

    Sometimes, I would like to be the village idiot and live on love but rationality always gets the best of me....
  • edited December 2011
    Well, this made me feel a whole lot better about my own life... It's like a trainwreck, isn't it? You just can't look away.

    Good luck! I think you'll need it with these two.  I'd be highly surprised if either of these weddings actually end up happening.

    Sooooo, I'm just going to sit here and drink my own mocha.
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    mostly, i wish people would leave me and BF alone.  i wish my friends would quit making comments about how i'm the only one left without a ring, and how their weddings are fabulous and they are spending gobs of their parents' money. 

    while i'm NOT engaged, BF and i are the only ones who will have college degrees when we get married AND have a house, instead of living in apartments or rental houses and making it paycheck to paycheck.  i really try to remember that and to just let comments roll off of me, but sometimes...  i fail.




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  • heyimbrenheyimbren member
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    edited December 2011
    It really does bother me when people get super self-absorbed in their weddings. Girl kinda sounds like that with her comments to you.

    Honestly, I hope you can tough it out through this just smiling prettily, and when it comes to your day down the road, who knows what ideas you may have. Things may change, or they might not. And I doubt she'll still hold that against you, and if she does, I'd say it's her problem to live with. Guaranteed someone has had a coffee bar before her.

    Don't worry about the BM dress, it may fit you okay yet, and if it doesn't it is easy to get things tailored to fit properly.
  • edited December 2011
    kath...  had he ever surfed at all before??
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  • PaigeMcCPaigeMcC member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_disasters-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:e924fafc-42b6-415c-9c3b-4f1482695449Post:2e51a5a4-5d13-40ec-bf57-6cbe44c1e1e6">Re: disasters - LONG</a>:
    [QUOTE]mostly, i wish people would leave me and BF alone.  i wish my friends would quit making comments about how i'm the only one left without a ring, and how their weddings are fabulous and they are spending gobs of their parents' money.  while i'm NOT engaged, <strong>BF and i are the only ones who will have college degrees when we get married AND have a house, instead of living in apartments or rental houses and making it paycheck to paycheck.  i really try to remember that</strong> and to just let comments roll off of me, but sometimes...  i fail.
    Posted by lindsayrae1986[/QUOTE]

    <div>Just concentrate on this. And beandip the hellll out of them.</div><div>
    </div><div>Them - "ZOMG my wedding is going to be AMAZING.  You must be so jealous!!"</div><div>You - "Have you tried this bean dip? It's AMAZING!"</div>

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  • calindicalindi member
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    edited December 2011
    How does Boy know Girl?  Is she an ex, or just a friend?

    And eKath, that's just silly - Florida isn't particularly known for its surfing!  Sure, I've heard there's a few spots where it's not bad surf, but in general it's nothing compared to California or Costa Rica.  I've never heard of anyone moving to Florida to be a surfer - I know for a fact that in Miami, there's no place with enough consistent waves to really surf.



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  • edited December 2011
    we all grew up together.  we've known each other since we were little kids from church.
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  • heyimbrenheyimbren member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_disasters-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:e924fafc-42b6-415c-9c3b-4f1482695449Post:d0cd809b-37ff-4a74-b945-b49b1e86d318">Re: disasters - LONG</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: disasters - LONG : Just concentrate on this. And beandip the hellll out of them. Them - "ZOMG my wedding is going to be AMAZING.  You must be so jealous!!" You - "Have you tried this bean dip? It's AMAZING!"
    Posted by PaigeMcC[/QUOTE]

    Agreed. A sick, twisted part of me also feels better when my friend suddenly goes "OMG... where will I live after the wedding?!?!"

    Degrees will definitely be worth it in the long run.
  • PaigeMcCPaigeMcC member
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    edited December 2011
    EKath - he should have moved to NS.  We have AMAZING surfing.  

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  • edited December 2011
    i want to respond with something snarky...  about the college degrees, the zero debt (except a student loan), the job with benefits, the house with a 25% downpayment...  but i don't.  in the long run, i won't need to.

    i think i need to yoga or something!
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  • MLekathLEENMLekathLEEN member
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    edited December 2011
    Lindsay- In FL a few times but most of it was done in MI and you can imagine how HUGE our waves are ;) Their big water sports people but I think their s difference between being behind a boat and not.

    Don't worry about your friends and just think about how awesome your life is. Marriage isn't everything and the wedding is only one day. Sure that dress is pretty but can you live under it?

    Look at me and FI, while our friends got married and are living in their rents basements with baby #2, we get to travel basically any time we want with no worry about baby sitters or finances (to an extent). When I feel bad about not getting married, I just remember that.

    Cate- My point exactly.

    Paige- Not to sound like a big idiot but..really? LOL
  • edited December 2011
    thanks...  sometimes, being surrounded (literally) by all my friends who got married young and are struggling, i feel like the odd one...  it's encouraging to know that i'm NOT...  my parents always told me to graduate from college and get a job before i got married, and i really am glad that i took their advice.  sometimes the comments from my friends are just very hurtful, even if they are teasing and not meaning to hurt me.

    however, i will stress about that silly BM dress...  i really hope it doesn't look awful! haha...  :) 
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  • Beads921Beads921 member
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    edited December 2011
    I didn't get half of that. Wayy too many people involved, wayy too complicated. Best of luck with that!
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  • loopy82loopy82 member
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    edited December 2011
    You are very concerned about this BM dress. Did you take measurements and those measurements were looked at in a size chart to determine your size? When bridal saloons measure you they order the dress based on your largest measurement. I  also wear 2-4 most days and when I was trying on bridal gown an 8 fit almost perfectly, sobased on that a 10 then doesn't sound outrageous in bridal wear. However, I still don't agree on buying dresses based on largest measurements, 3 of my 4 BM's were swimming in their dresses and could have easily had a smaller size.
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  • MLekathLEENMLekathLEEN member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_disasters-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:e924fafc-42b6-415c-9c3b-4f1482695449Post:09476986-f889-4344-9b5a-c97564b07dec">Re: disasters - LONG</a>:
    [QUOTE]thanks...  sometimes, being surrounded (literally) by all my friends who got married young and are struggling, i feel like the odd one...  it's encouraging to know that i'm NOT...  my parents always told me to graduate from college and get a job before i got married, and i really am glad that i took their advice.  sometimes the comments from my friends are just very hurtful, even if they are teasing and not meaning to hurt me. <strong>however, i will stress about that silly BM dress...  i really hope it doesn't look awful! haha...  :)</strong> 
    Posted by lindsayrae1986[/QUOTE]

    At least they're not your wedding photos...It could be worse.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_disasters-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:e924fafc-42b6-415c-9c3b-4f1482695449Post:483cff27-e5d5-4389-b921-ecf3f4e62760">Re: disasters - LONG</a>:
    [QUOTE]You are very concerned about this BM dress. Did you take measurements and those measurements were looked at in a size chart to determine your size? When bridal saloons measure you they order the dress based on your largest measurement. I  also wear 2-4 most days and when I was trying on bridal gown an 8 fit almost perfectly, sobased on that a 10 then doesn't sound outrageous in bridal wear. However, I still don't agree on buying dresses based on largest measurements, 3 of my 4 BM's were swimming in their dresses and could have easily had a smaller size.
    Posted by loopy82[/QUOTE]

    we took my measurements and we are getting the 10 based off of my hip size (38.5 inches)... however, i am very petite (4'10") and so, based off of the picture, the waist of the dress is going to extend very low (we can't order it in a petite)...  the bust will be 5 inches too big and the waist itself, with a built in sash, will be 4.5 inches too big.  also, the zipper is in the side so we can't just take in the sides.  it means almost a complete reconstruction of the dress to fit someone as small as i am.
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  • heyimbrenheyimbren member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_disasters-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:e924fafc-42b6-415c-9c3b-4f1482695449Post:6c4bef87-b615-4876-88c3-7e22d060a7c5">Re: disasters - LONG</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: disasters - LONG : we took my measurements and we are getting the 10 based off of my hip size (38.5 inches)... however, i am very petite (4'10") and so, based off of the picture, the waist of the dress is going to extend very low (we can't order it in a petite)...  the bust will be 5 inches too big and the waist itself, with a built in sash, will be 4.5 inches too big.  also, the zipper is in the side so we can't just take in the sides.  it means almost a complete reconstruction of the dress to fit someone as small as i am.
    Posted by lindsayrae1986[/QUOTE]

    Ugh, how annoying. But seriously do try to remember that it isn't your wedding dress at least. It is just a BM dress, and while everyone wants to look like a fabulous BM, you probably won't care too much past the wedding about it. Remember: think big picture ;)
  • breezerbbreezerb member
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    edited December 2011
    These people make my head hurt.

    I need to lie down.
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  • Wrkn925Wrkn925 member
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    edited December 2011
    I love the spinach wraps from Starbucks!

    Also, that's some drama.
    I'd get some popcorn and just sit back and watch with an evil laugh.
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  • edited December 2011
    those wraps are amazing...  i can't figure out how to make them quite as good as they do...

    i mentioned something to her about the dresses being hard to alter and that there were stores here in the city that we called around and they have them IN STORE for us to try on.  i really, honestly (as much as i complain and whine) want her wedding to be nice because she is my oldest friend...  so i just told her what my aunt said, and that we found places with the dresses and i could cancel my lessons with my piano students and go try them on with her and take my aunt to see what we could do to make them work.  i would want someone to help me like that if i were in her position...

    she responded that i was not the first person to tell her that, but she doesn't "have time" for us to try them on, she has to order something today.  oy.

    i will definitely post pics of this dress when we get it in.  :)
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  • heyimbrenheyimbren member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_disasters-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:e924fafc-42b6-415c-9c3b-4f1482695449Post:b24906dc-5f18-4e91-afcf-2bcb61fde74e">Re: disasters - LONG</a>:
    [QUOTE]those wraps are amazing...  i can't figure out how to make them quite as good as they do... i mentioned something to her about the dresses being hard to alter and that there were stores here in the city that we called around and they have them IN STORE for us to try on.  i really, honestly (as much as i complain and whine) want her wedding to be nice because she is my oldest friend...  so i just told her what my aunt said, and that we found places with the dresses and i could cancel my lessons with my piano students and go try them on with her and take my aunt to see what we could do to make them work.  i would want someone to help me like that if i were in her position... she responded that i was not the first person to tell her that, but she doesn't "have time" for us to try them on, she has to order something today.  oy. <strong>i will definitely post pics of this dress when we get it in.  :)</strong>
    Posted by lindsayrae1986[/QUOTE]

    Excellent! I am curious about this dress now. My friend settled on a dress that we were able to try on, and I'm not crazy about it, but it was only $30 so I don't even care at that price point.


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  • breezerbbreezerb member
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    edited December 2011
    I think that dress is super cute but for a wedding? *tilts head sideways like pug*
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  • edited December 2011
    http://www.dessy.com/dresses/bridesmaid/d466/?color=black&colorid=123

    this is the dress.  we had to give an advance of $135, plus we have to buy shoes and pay for our alterations.  alterations include: making the dress knee-length, using that fabric to make 3/4-length sleeves and putting a piece of fabric in the v-neck so it's not so slow...  we have modesty standards to get married in our church and by making those alterations, it's "ok'd"...

    keep in mind i will also have to have 5 inches taken out of the bust and 4 ouy of the waist, plus shortening the waist to fit my petite frame.
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  • heyimbrenheyimbren member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_disasters-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:e924fafc-42b6-415c-9c3b-4f1482695449Post:69f6daa7-45f1-47c0-b387-cea2eddb7c26">Re: disasters - LONG</a>:
    [QUOTE]I think that dress is super cute but for a wedding? *tilts head sideways like pug*
    Posted by breezerb[/QUOTE]

    Yeah well... I don't know. It's her vision, I'm just wearing the dress. And like I said: $30 shuts me up quickly.

    The guys are just wearing pants with vests and tennis shoes. So I guess it's casual?

    I don't know how I feel about BM dresses over all. Some are cute, but I found that most of the ones I looked just weren't my style at all. Like, ever.
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