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XP: Gay and Catholic

"Ben" and "Jerry" live in a state that has marriage equality for same-couples. Both men grew up in extended Catholic families, attended Catholic schools and universities, and have been active in parish and Catholic charitable organizations. Their parents, who I will call "Bob: and "Carol" and "Ted"and "Alice" have been very supportive of the two men

Ben and Jerry have started planning for their marriage ceremony. Since a Catholic ceremony with all the bells and whistles -- a nupital Mass with a papal blessing -- isn't possible in the foreseeable future, they are planning their ceremony in Unitarian church with an Unitarian cleric as the offficiant. As Carol says the Unitarian ceremony will probably be the only wedding for Ben that she and Bob will be able to witness.

Since Ben and Jerry consider themselves to be active Catholics, they would like to try to have as many Catholic touches in  their wedding ceremony as possible with out going overboard or seeming tacky.

Would it be appropriate to have a statue of the Blessed Mother brought into the Unitarian church and have one of the bridesmaids (probably one of their nieces) or perhaps one of the mothers present the flowers to the Madonna.

Would it be appropriate for Shubert's "Ave Maria" to be performed.? What other music or readings would be recommended for the ceremony?

Both Ben and Jerry have extended family members who are priests. Both would like these relatives to participate in the ceremony, but are afraid that the priests might face consequences from their superiors ... such as in the case of the priest to participated in a sex marriage ceremony in New York City. Any suggestions as to how these men could participate in the ceremony would be much appreciated.

(Bob's uncle is a Religious order priest who plans to attend the ceremony. Bob's uncle said that his order has been supportive of LGBT equality; and if his bishop disapproves of his attendance at a same sex wedding, he plans to take whatever punishment that is to be handed out. The priest-uncle also added he is in such demand in replacement ministry, he doubts that his bishop would attempt to punish him.

(Jerry's cousin-the-priest was hemming and hawing as to whether he would attend. His other, Alice's sister, told her son that 1) he will attend. 2) he can wear one of his father's suits if he doesn't want to wear his clerical blacks; 3) he will give a nice wedding present; and 4) most importantly, he will not embarass the familu)

In short, any suggestions to make a gay wedding in an Unitarian church as Catholic as possible without going over the top would be most welcome.

Thanking everyone in advance

Re: XP: Gay and Catholic

  • edited January 2013
    As a formerly devout Catholic, you make take my opinion with a grain of salt. The issue you mention, as well as the church's official standing on other social issues) is one of the reasons that I no longer consider myself to be Catholic.

    The presentation of flowers to Mary is not really part of the Marriage Rite. It is a cultural tradition. If this is allowed in the Unitarian Church, I see no problem with a respectful presentation or including the 'Ave Maria,' Catholics are allowed and encouraged to pray anywhere, so from the Catholic view point, it shouldn't be a problem. The grooms could also carry rosaries or a keepsake bible. The same bible could be used for the scripture readings.

    They could have the Lord's Prayer (a la Andrea Bocelli), as one of their songs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAFj2-u2cGQ

    I would strictly avoid anything that might, even remotely, resemble communion. No sharing wine or bread because it might seem like they are mocking the sacrament. Otherwise, they should include anything that will reflect their faith.

    I was saddened by the story about the priest who was disciplined for doing a reading (not even officiating) at his cousin's wedding and the Pope's most recent statements about homosexuality. It doesn't leave much room for hope of full acceptance in the near future.

    Best wishes to 'Ben and Jerry.'

    ETA
    Since the priests in the family will be the ones to suffer the consequences if they attend, they should be invited, but not be pressured into attending the wedding. They will be obligated to act according to their own consciences and their vows to the church.
                       
  • My only opinion is that Ave Maria is more of a funeral song than a wedding one.
  • I think what you have described sounds fine, though I defer to Maire's post.   I completely agree that the clergy/priests in the family need to decide for themselves if they will attend or participate in any manner, and that they shouldn't feel pressured (especially about participating!).   If they want to, great -- but it sounds like one is unsure but is being pressured anyway....and I don't agree with that.

    FWIW, I COMPLETELY support gay marriage and like Maire, the Catholic Church's stance on this issue is why my parents stopped practicing, and why I am not Catholic like the rest of my cousins.
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    edited January 2013
    I want to preface my advice by saying that I'm a lapsed Catholic-fully confirmed, but I pretty much only attend for weddings, funerals and baptisms nowadays. And I firmly believe that Jesus (Who wants us to love and accept everybody) really doesn't get his panties in a twist over people of the same sex marrying each other.

    As long as the venue itself does not have any restrictions on such things, you can use whatever music/hymns/readings/blessings that you want. If you haven't already done so, you might want to check the Catholic board out to get ideas for specific readings, since off the top of my head I can seriously only think of Corinthians "Love is patient, love is kind" one.

    However, I have to very strongly advise you not bring a statue of Mary into a Unitarian Church and do the whole "presenting flowers to the Mother" thing. I have been to several full blown Catholic ceremonies, and I've never seen anyone present the Mother with flowers during a marriage ceremony before. And bringing a statue of Mary (Even a tiny one) into a church that does not normally have a statue of Mary in it just does not sit right with me for some reason.

    Also, like PP said, I would steer clear of having a Communion ceremony (If the church would even allow you to do it). To the best of my knowledge only a priest can consecrate the host for it to become the Body and Blood of Christ, and he is only able to do so within the walls of a Catholic church, so anything performed in a Unitarian church would just be a mockery of the sacrament ... and again, that just does not sit right with me.

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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_ceremony-ideas_xp-gay-and-catholic?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:10Discussion:fc467b61-16fd-4835-8c55-9acf94ffdb8bPost:d56e034e-0a13-47c4-a262-62e7d04cb69d">Re: XP: Gay and Catholic</a>:
    [QUOTE]I grew up Catholic and went to ccd, got confirmed in 9th grade, and almost went to a catholic college.  There are a lot of issues I have with a lot of organized religions, which I wont say on here. I personally, feel that as long as the church where they are having the wedding at lets them perform all of the things you listed I see no problem any of that.  It is not like they are making fun of any of these things, since they are Catholics.  <strong>Catholics are not the only ones that use communion, so if the Unitarian church does communion I see no issue with it. </strong>
    Posted by snippet17[/QUOTE]

    <div>This. Some churches do communion as a representation of Christ's body and blood, and there's nothing wrong with that. Just don't change the wording so it sounds Catholic; that would be strange and sort of mocking. </div>
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_ceremony-ideas_xp-gay-and-catholic?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:10Discussion:fc467b61-16fd-4835-8c55-9acf94ffdb8bPost:06890d3f-2490-4eb6-987e-eb99c2f3b8f5">Re: XP: Gay and Catholic</a>:
    [QUOTE]I have been to several full blown Catholic ceremonies, and I've never seen anyone present the Mother with flowers during a marriage ceremony before.
    Posted by RamonaFlowers[/QUOTE]

    <div>Not sure about other parts of the country, but here in Philly I have yet to go to a Catholic wedding were they *don't* present the mother with flowers. FWIW. :)</div>
  • I've heard more Ave Maria's at weddings than funerals.

    Nothing that they have planned sounds tacky to me, but I've never seen a presentation of flowers at a wedding either.

    I feel for the priests in the family. I was raised Catholic, married into the church and went through an annulment. I am no longer considering myself Catholic and my children are not being raised in the church (but that's another story). Maybe one of the priests could offer a blessing at the meal/reception if they're having one? That's something that isn't reserved for clergy specifically, and is outside of the UU church, so that should be acceptable.

    I hope that they have a wonderful wedding and a happy life together.
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  • I answered on the Catholic board

    I don't think that they should do anything just because it's "Catholic" - as someone on a Catholic journey I find it offensive.

    BUT, I feel as though you should incorporate things that you find have personal meaning - certain vows, readings, songs, etc.
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    [QUOTE]I answered on the Catholic board I don't think that they should do anything just because it's "Catholic" - as someone on a Catholic journey I find it offensive. BUT, I feel as though you should incorporate things that you find have personal meaning - certain vows, readings, songs, etc.
    Posted by sydaries[/QUOTE]

    Why should you feel offended by someone else's respect for the Blessed Mother?  Do you think Jesus would tell anyone they do not have a right to honor His Mother? I find it offesive that you would tell anyone that they do not have a right to practice their faith, just because it does not fit perfectly with your religious beliefs.
                       
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