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Dear Prudence

I was just going through the DP website looking at some older entries and I came across this:

Q. Celebration Overload: I have three sons in their late 20s and early 30s. The oldest is married with a young child and my youngest is engaged. Since it has been quite some time since I went through these rituals, I expected them to change. I just didn't expect them to change quite this much. What used to be nice, simple ceremonies have turned into much longer events. My son and daughter-in-law had professional engagement photos taken, numerous bridal showers, a wedding followed by a reception, professional maternity photos taken, a "gender revealing party," a baptism, professional family portraits, and a first birthday party. Frankly, I think this is celebration overload and, in its own way, detracts from the seriousness of these events. I miss the days of one bridal shower, a ceremony in a church, and cake in the church basement. I know how delicate the mother-in-law and daughter-in-law relationship can be, so I have not said a word about these events and attended them all graciously. But the thought of going through this number of events for two more kids is exhausting. Is this just the trend of celebrations now and I should go along with it? How do I graciously be a part of their lives while inwardly cringing at another over-the-top celebration?

A: Your answer is contained in your question. You just graciously celebrate while inwardly cringing. I agree with you, Mom, that a return to contained and modest celebrations is to be much hoped for. This is the second letter I've gotten about the amazing development of the awful gender-reveal party. As I previously asked, what's next, the baby-making party? You have to accept that the days of the DIY wedding are gone. But I agree that turning marriage into the Normandy Invasion (actually, that took less time to plan and launch than most weddings) is an absurd waste of time and money. Let's face it, usually the bride/mother is the driver behind these events, so as a mother of sons, you want to preserve your relationship with your offspring and their wives. So slap on a smile and be grateful to be included.

Does anyone else find these complaints and Prudie's response unwarranted?  I mean, it's ok to skip any parties you are invited to that you don't want to attend.  But as long as a party is being hosted properly, I don't care what the reason for it is.  The party-line around here is "an invitation is not a summons".  I think if this lady is this judgmental about all these parties, she should skip them and keep her mouth shut. 
And why is she so irritated about engagement photos, pregnancy photos, etc?  These are not "celebrations", and as long as she's not being asked to pay for anything, why would she care about her son and DIL having photos taken?  Since when are family portraits in poor taste?
Another party line around here is that it's none of your business how other people spend their money. So as long as Ms Overload isn't being asked to foot the bill for anything, I don't think she has anything to complain about.  Why should she care if the bride and groom spend $100,000 on their wedding reception, if they can afford it?  Or have an extravagant birthday party or baptism party for their kid? 
Can you imagine your mother or mother in law rolling her eyes about the idea of a first birthday party for your firstborn? 
This whole thing irritated me.  I'm interested to hear all your thoughts.

Re: Dear Prudence

  • I get where the mom is coming from. My friends hold multiple birthday parties for each of their kids and I'm expected to show up to all of them. It's exhausting.
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  • I see both sides, but I agree with OP. If you don't want to go, don't. I am the weird one around here I guess in that I really enjoy bridal and baby showers. I think the problem comes when the bride (or mom to be) gets upset that people don't come. I also really enjoy pictures that people post: engagement, wedding, maternity, etc.
  • I think Ms. Overload has a right to her opinion.  She was venting to Dear Prudence like many brides vent to other posters on these boards about crazy parties and crazy weddings that they have been invited to.

    Honestly, I think lavish engagement shoots and maternity shoots are a bit much.  I roll my eyes when people post 200+ engagement shoot pictures on their FB and another 200+ maternity photos or newborn photos where the babies are maniputated in poses and dressed in weird outfits.  I also have an issue with throwing huge first birthday parties.  That party is not for your kid but for the parents.  But other then rolling my eyes or having a side comment to my husband (and well, now on here) I don't say anything to the couple at hand.

    You are right, people can do whatever they want and spend as much money as they want as long as they aren't asking for a handout.  But that doesn't mean people don't have an opinion about it or may judge a couples actions.  Having an opinion or judgement is not wrong but it starts to be poor manners when you constantly start asking "why?" over and over again.  But apparently Ms. Overload knows to keep her mouth shut and smile so as to not hurt the relationship she has with her DIL.

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    [QUOTE]I don't think it's the NUMBER of celebrations, but the extravagance of them.  With the exception of "gender reveal" party and the photos (which don't involve guests, so who the hell cares), my mother had all these things, as did my grandmother.  They just weren't as expensive since they were hosted in homes with homemade refreshments.   I mean, really, of the actual celebrations listed, what should we cut? The wedding ceremony?  The reception that is a thank you to the guests?  Baptizing your kid?  
    Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]



    I definitely agree with stage on this one. I see people post on here that are throwing showers that are more expensive than my whole wedding. It just blows my mind that showers are not in people's homes with cake and finger foods. But that's also all I've ever been to, so maybe it's just a my circle thing.
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    Your are right inviations are not summons.  

    That said, there are certain people are expected to attend such events.  It's reality.   Moms  (well parents) are often people are expected to attend those type events.  If my mom missed my shower I would flat out ask why.  She is my mom, we talked to each other like that.    Telling your child (or in-laws) that all these celebrations are overload is not going to go over well.   Most people just would not accept that answer from their own parent.


    My grandparents were married on June 9, 1930.  They had a mass, full meal and open bar at their wedding.  It's how they did things.    All the other generations have done the same thing.   We don't do e-parties.  But we do 1 huge joint shower, wedding/reception and 1 baby shower.     That's it.     Much more than the above I go into overload also.  A friend I might skip, sibling, nieces/nephew?   Yep, I would just suck up and complain on here.

    Since a lot of these are gift giving events it gets expensive if you are like my parents who have 4 kids and 7 grandkids.


    ETA - we also have baptisms.    Except for weddings, everything else are held in people's homes.  Still with tons of food and booze.  We like to eat and drink.  We just do it less expensive ways.






    What differentiates an average host and a great host is anticipating unexpressed needs and wants of their guests.  Just because the want/need is not expressed, doesn't mean it wouldn't be appreciated. 
  • The ONLY thing I found odd from "Celebration Overload"'s post was the Gender Revealing Party.

    Everything else I think is the norm. I didn't have bridal showers, parties, and the only reason I had an engagement shoot was because my photographer included it in his package last minute.

    I have two kids and have had a shower, baptism, maternity pictures, family portraits, and first birthday parties for both of them.  I do birthdays for the pictures and OUR memories. Sure babies don't remember any of it but we have pictures and albums that they now enjoy going through. My events are low key though and it's basically just family and a few friends. (probably 40 people) Some of them haven't been able to make it to each and everyone and it's ok.

    In my family; birthday's are a big deal. My mom always baked a cake and went overboard with pictures, pinatas, candy, tons of people and while I don't remember the first 3, it's nice to see pictures of them. The kids look happy eventhough they probably will never remember.
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    [QUOTE]I'll also say, that I will never complain about my friends wanting to serve me cake, even if the point of that cake is to learn if it's a boy or a girl.  
    Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]

    <div>I feel the same way about cake.  You can never have too much of it IMO...</div>
  • My siblings all got engaged, married and a kids all around the same time.  I have 3 nieces born within 3 months of each other.  2 nephews born 6 days apart the next year.  Add in showers, paties, baptisms and such overload was an understatement.  I moved the islands to get away from the madness.     It's easier to decline a party when you are 1800 miles away  Tongue out.






    What differentiates an average host and a great host is anticipating unexpressed needs and wants of their guests.  Just because the want/need is not expressed, doesn't mean it wouldn't be appreciated. 
  • I think the gender parties are cute...of course that is as long as the hosts aren't expecting gifts. I've always seen them as an excuse for friends to get together, socialize and have a good time.  I don't really see her point in complaining about pictures as she wouldn't be present for those anyways.

    What does IRK me is when people have multiple showers...I understand an employer may throw a "work" shower which is different, but I was in a wedding where she had 3 showers!!! One for her side, one for FI's side and an "extra" Pampered Chef party. It was pretty ridiculous and just made her look greedy.
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  • I've never attend a gender party.  Most my family and friends are TEAM GREEN people.  Not one of my siblings knew the sex before they gave birth.    Most of my friends didn't know either.  A couple of them did, but didn't have parties.   










    What differentiates an average host and a great host is anticipating unexpressed needs and wants of their guests.  Just because the want/need is not expressed, doesn't mean it wouldn't be appreciated. 
  • I guess I can see her point about photos if it's the case where the grandparents can order some from the photographer, and they are expected to buy some.

    If it were me, and I wanted my parents or ILs to have photos of me (or of my future unborn children) hanging in their home, I would give it to them as a gift.  My SIL, on the other hand, would expect her parents to pay for their own pictures and would get upset if they didn't buy any from the photographer.
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    [QUOTE]I think the gender parties are cute...of course that is as long as the hosts aren't expecting gifts. I've always seen them as an excuse for friends to get together, socialize and have a good time.  I don't really see her point in complaining about pictures as she wouldn't be present for those anyways. What does IRK me is when people have multiple showers...I understand an employer may throw a "work" shower which is different, but I was in a wedding where she had 3 showers!!! One for her side, one for FI's side and an "extra" Pampered Chef party. It was pretty ridiculous and just made her look greedy.
    Posted by rel1988[/QUOTE]

    I agree completely with this.

    And showers for second babies (and all subsequent babies) really grind my gears. And the arguement of "Well what if it's a different sex than the first?!?!?" gets to me even more. If you're responsible enough to have more than one baby, pay for its own crap. I get a shower for baby #1, the same idea as a wedding shower - getting the mother ready for this change in her life. But showers for the next babies are just gift-grabby and rude.
  • Interesting to hear all the input.  It looks like I'm on the same page as most people.  I think the things listed in the initial letter were silly to complain about.  It would be one thing if her kids were throwing parties for things like "yay, little Xantherpuss is potty trained!  Clowns and balloons this Saturday at 1pm, he's registered at Toys R Us"!  Then I'd totally side-eye and complain.  And skip it. But a child's birthday, baptism, and wedding reception?  Even a gender reveal isn't a big deal to me, and I've only ever heard of one person having one, and it wasn't technically a party just for that. They were already having people over and decided to do a fun cake reveal while we were all there.
    I get that people are entitled to their own opinions on the extravagance of such parties, but again, as long as it's being properly hosted, I don't think that's something worth complaining about.  If they spent $40,000 on a venue and had a cash bar, I'd totally judge.  But in general, I don't see anything wrong with hosting something low key, or higher end. 
    It's tough when you have multiple children who have now had your grandchildren and you feel obligated to attend all these things, but no one is forcing anyone to attend, or give extravagant gifts, either. 
    I just don't find anything she listed above to be "cringe-worthy".
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Prudence : I agree completely with this. And showers for second babies (and all subsequent babies) really grind my gears. And the arguement of "Well what if it's a different sex than the first?!?!?" gets to me even more. If you're responsible enough to have more than one baby, pay for its own crap. I get a shower for baby #1, the same idea as a wedding shower - getting the mother ready for this change in her life. But showers for the next babies are just gift-grabby and rude.
    Posted by beardownbchs[/QUOTE]

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    </div><div>I totally agree!!  There is a woman at my church who is on her 5th child.  She has two girls (one who is only 4) and the youngest of her boys is less than 2 years old.  And she's having another baby shower for the girl on the way.  I'm boycotting and not attending.  There is no reason someone on their 5th child (one about every two years) should need anything.  </div><div>
    </div><div>I can maybe sort of consider it justifiable if there is a big gap in ages between the kids (like you have a 10 year old, and are pregnant again) or different sexes, but not one for each kid when you already have 4.  </div>
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Prudence : Exactly.  I think maternity photos and engagement photos are a giant waste of money because *I* don't care for having photos of myself, professional or otherwise.  But I don't care if someone else does them.  If she hadn't complained about the photos, the whole ceremony that keeps your baby from burning in hell,  and the wedding reception (which gave no details just was lumped into a list of complaints), I would probably be more sympathetic to the issues with multiple showers and gender reveal parties.  But it sounded like she was just coming up with everything she could to make her complaint seem more legit, which in turn made her sound ridiculous. And around here gender parties are usually backyard affairs with 20-30 people, lots of booze and snacks at the hosts' expense, and grocery store cake.  <strong>Hell, if you want to feed me cake and give me booze while I sit around in your back yard in capri pants and flip flops, I'll come celebrate the gender of your new cat!
    </strong>Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]

    This made me giggle. I agree...who am I to turn down free cake?! That would be incredibly rude of me!

    Ugh yes the baby shower thing bugs me too!! Out here people call them "sprinkles" because they are smaller versions of showers. I call them "greedy excuses to try and get more free crap out of you!!" How about you sprinkle yourself to the store and buy what you need because sorry I don't feel responsible that you were impregnated with an XX this time instead of your first XY and no that doesn't entitle you to more free things.
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    [QUOTE]I don't think it's the NUMBER of celebrations, but the extravagance of them.  With the exception of "gender reveal" party and the photos (which don't involve guests, so who the hell cares), my mother had all these things, as did my grandmother.  They just weren't as expensive since they were hosted in homes with homemade refreshments.   I mean, really, of the actual celebrations listed, what should we cut? The wedding ceremony?  The reception that is a thank you to the guests?  Baptizing your kid?  
    Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]

    I agree with this.  I think these are all important events worth celebrating (except the gender reveal party which I just find a little odd, but I'm not saying people can't have them)

    But you don't need to celebrate EVERY event with an expensive venue, huge guest list, big production etc. 

    Either way, I'm not really put off by people having any of these things as long as they don't expect me to come to every single one of them.  Aint nobody got time for that.

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  • i draw the line with the maternity photo shoot where the mom to be is basically naked with stragetically placed arms, legs, cloth.  even worse when the guy is naked or half naked too.  i just can't.  FI and i know one particular couple who has this poster sized picture prominently displayed in their family room.

    i also side eye anyone who has more than 1 shower unless as PP said there is a HUGE age gap between the kids.
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