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Engagement Ring Debacle...need your advice on this one, ladies...

So, here's a sticky situation I need your help with...I am a single mom of two young children (5 and 2) and I have found the world's most wonderful man (who is also in the process of getting divorced). Everything is perfect, and we will be getting married on 1/1 of next year. Initially, when we talked about rings about 6 months ago, he gave me a budget of $12K. Then, things became tight for him financially given his settlement agreement, and we took the ring off the table. I told him I didn't need one--that I could just wear a simple band and that he didn't need to spend any money--he agreed and we talked about designing it/picking it out together. He then came to me a few months later and said he had a jeweler take apart a necklace his grandmother left him and was having them use those diamonds to make me a ring. The necklace had tons of teeny tiny diamonds, some slightly bigger than others (something you'd find in a delicate band) and one mine cut diamond, about .75 carats. I was somewhat surprised that he did this--and a little disappointed, since he's very sentimental about his grandmother and her jewelry, and the necklace was such that it can never really be put back together. And, although this sounds crazy, the main stone is the same cut as the diamond from my first husband, and I'm kind of superstitious about it. I wanted something different the second time around.

Although he had already taken the diamonds to the jeweler and sent them off to have a wax mold of a setting made, he told me he wanted us to design the ring together, so I looked around, got some ideas...bought a couple of fake rings for inspiration...but I never got a chance to share them because the drawing came back and it was awful--and what he had in mind was so far from what I had in mind that I just kept my mouth shut. I didn't like anything about it...and since I'd only seen the necklace once for about 2 seconds (back when I didn't know it would be used for my ring), I couldn't remember the different sizes of diamonds and was trying to figure out how we could rework a few things...I asked him all kinds of questions trying to understand and he kept getting increasingly frustrated...so we got into a tiff about it and then didn't talk about it for a few days...then the wax mold came in and we went to the jeweler to look at it. I tried to explain to her what I wanted, she pulled rings, I tried on different rings, and gave her a good sense of what I wanted the setting to look like. He said he liked me giving that input...but then things fell apart again--(I think because he's anxious about using his grandmother's diamonds--he says no)--he was so sensitive to any comment I made that I think he interpreted it like I didn't want it...and we called off the whole idea for a while.

The next day, he shows up with one of the rings I tried on in the store--a ring I didn't even really like, just one I was using to illustrate something about the setting--and proposes with it. I told him no--that he didn't have to do that, that the whole thing was a big misunderstanding, that it wasn't that I liked that ring better, I was just trying to design it with him. He recognized that he had backed me into a corner by telling me we were going to use those diamonds and that he hadn't given me an opportunity to weigh in at all. We agreed that everyone was too sensitive on the topic, and that given all the hurt feelings, misunderstandings, etc. a simple band would suffice for me. We both acknowledged a ring had been something we both really wanted, and that the whole thing was now kind of ruined for both of us. I told him I didn't really want to talk about it anymore until the summer.

Long story short, I found out earlier this week--totally by accident--that he reached out to the jeweler AGAIN to have her try AGAIN to make a new setting...and he sent pictures of rings that a) I don't even really like and b) will totally not be able to be replicated with the diamonds he has. I was disappointed when I found out, and we kind of got into it...I was upset that he kept at it when we agreed it would be off the table and I was upset that again he left me out of the entire process, since that was all I wanted from the beginning. He said it's impossible to surprise me, and that I should be happy. So, now, we've made up about it...but everything is a bit on hold...he now wants me to be involved in the process...only, I don't really want to be. The whole thing is so filled with tension--and I don't want that main diamond--AT ALL--I'm too superstitious, I don't like it, it's not particularly pretty...so my options are as follows, 1) stick to my guns and go with a simple band, 2) take the teeny tiny diamonds and make two diamond bands, 3) shut up and take whatever he wants to give me, or 4) somehow try and break it to him that I don't want that main diamond--that I want a different one altogether? I should also add that our finances are merged and I make WAY more...

Any advice, thoughts, opinions would be SO appreciated, ladies!!

Re: Engagement Ring Debacle...need your advice on this one, ladies...

  • Is he this bad a listener about other, more important things?
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    edited January 2013

    I don't know if I can give any advice on this that you'd like. I do understand the opinion that a lot of ladies have that it's a ring you'll presumably have to wear forever, so you might as well get exactly what you want.


    However, if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't DREAM of crushing my man's spirit by telling him I don't like the ring he painstakingly designed and surprised me with. Not just on a whim, but with heirloom diamonds. He clearly meant well and was trying to make you happy.

    To me, telling him you don't like it is super selfish and you make yourself sound incredibly demanding and materialistic by your post. (You wouldn't want to wear an heirloom diamond that means a lot to your FI because it's not "pretty", and you don't like the shape? Come on now....that's ridiculous.)

    My DH surprised me with my ring, and even if I didn't like it, I wouldn't in a million trillion years tell him that. Not because I can't be honest with him, but the joy on his face and in his heart when he gave it to me is worth so much more than the outward appearance of the ring. It's all about perspective, I guess.

  • I don't think you are being selfish--you both agreed to design a ring together and he disregarded that.  At this point can you just tell him you decided you only like solitaires, and have a classic solitaire made from the big diamond, and just use the small diamonds to made the wedding band?  I mean there's not really any way to screw up a solitaire on a classic plain 4 or 6 ring prong.  As for the shape of the diamond I think you need to get over that and he can't afford to buy a new diamond.  You are not using your old diamond from your ex, you are using a diamond from your current fiances grandmother....if anything an heirloom should be good luck.
  • Most important, above EVERYTHING ELSE. is honesty.  If you can't tell him how you feel and have him listen and be receptive to it, then what good is a marriage going to be? 

    My now-husband proposed with a ring he created from family diamonds as well (that i never saw)...and we talked about settings for a few months before hand.  i knew i would be getting either a solitaire with accents on the sides, or a 3 stone ring, but i had no idea about the gold setting/style.  the ring is solitaire with channel set accents about halfway around.  i DID tell him a few days after he proposed that it wasn't my ideal cut/size/style, but that it's still very special to me. we agreed that i would get to pick the wedding band to go with it.  he was a little sad to learn that i didnt love it right away (i do now!), but he was happy that i could be honest with him about it. i also picked out a wedding band that fits perfectly with the ring - and wouldn't have if he gave me my ideal engagement ring. so...it all worked out!

    i tell you this becuase no matter what, your fiance should listen and respect your wishes - especially when it comes to something you'll be wearing (ideally) for the rest of your life.  the fact that even after you have these 'understandings', he keeps going behind your back and taking actions is NOT OKAY.  Especially if you keep shutting your mouth or ignoring the issue. (unless you want this to happen all the time in your marriage).  Does he do this with other things as well? or is it just the ring?   this could be a red flag.

    As far as the ring goes -- talk to him about his actions. take this as a learning opportunity to find out why he is so anxious about making you a ring, and why he considered his grandmothers diamonds. it could be that he honestly just wants to surprise you and do something wonderful for you. sadly, he just keeps missing the mark by a mile. lol

    Stand up for yourself and tell him if you want a different center stone due to your superstition/being uncomfortable. he should be able to understand that. Compromise and use the grandmother's tiny diamonds as accents.  you dont have to use everything in one ring, and you can combine old and new diamonds.  he can have a necklace or something else made with the other stones later on.  Sit down TOGETHER and design the ring that you're BOTH happy with.  he can decide when or where it is made and he proposes.

    getting divorced...but your finances are already merged? him sneaking around behind your back and not listening to you?  i hate to say it, but i'd steer clear of this guy altogether.  i hope he treats you and your children better than you make it sound. good luck!
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_attire-accessories_engagement-ring-debacleneed-your-advice-on-this-one-ladies?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:15Discussion:67b42d90-9ff3-49d0-9c28-c1ccda9f5156Post:e0fa9a95-d1d9-43cf-a994-11da9398a392">Re: Engagement Ring Debacle...need your advice on this one, ladies...</a>:
    [QUOTE]I think you two are making all of this too complicated. Pick one of the diamonds from his grandmother's necklace and have it set as a solitaire. It doesn't have to be the big one if you don't like it. You can save the rest of the diamonds to pass down as family heirlooms.
    Posted by Liatris2010[/QUOTE]

    I think this is a great idea.  You could also use some of the other diamonds in both of your wedding bands.

    Also, you need to throw your superstitions out the window.  The cut of the diamond did not make your first marriage fail did it?  Because if that is the reason why you and your ex split then you have some serious problems.

  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_attire-accessories_engagement-ring-debacleneed-your-advice-on-this-one-ladies?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:15Discussion:67b42d90-9ff3-49d0-9c28-c1ccda9f5156Post:e0fa9a95-d1d9-43cf-a994-11da9398a392">Re: Engagement Ring Debacle...need your advice on this one, ladies...</a>:
    [QUOTE]I think you two are making all of this too complicated. Pick one of the diamonds from his grandmother's necklace and have it set as a solitaire. It doesn't have to be the big one if you don't like it. You can save the rest of the diamonds to pass down as family heirlooms.
    Posted by Liatris2010[/QUOTE]

    This.  You could make a band of the smaller diamonds if you want more bling.  It's hard to be picky and not want to be a part of the process at the same time.  You may have to decide what means more to you... to be a part of the process (and he will need to accept that you won't be surprised) or be surprised with a ring you don't like. 

    I think $12K is a really big budget originally... are you disappointed because a ring of that size is what you have in mind?  It sounds like the diamonds he has will never amount to something like that.  Both of you may need to reset your expectations and it sounds like you're doing that. 
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  • I'm getting more of the idea that you don't want an heirloom ring at all, and can't admit it to him.  Everything he brings up, you say 'eh, not my thing", and from what you've written, the only feedback you've given him is really passive aggressive "we'll talk about it later, though I kiiinda like this one".

    If I was him, I'd be losing my freakin mind.  He's not psychic, stop torturing the poor guy and just TELL him what you WANT.  You absolutely cannot poke at him with such a sensitive issue indefinitely.  He's going to snap eventually when you keep brushing him off, being very vague, and going 'eh' about everything you're shown.  I wouldn't blame him either.

    If you absolutely don't want anything other than a band, TELL HIM.  Suggest he turn the necklace into another peice of jewelrey for you.  Maybe earrings, another style necklace, or heck even a bracelet.  This isn't all or nothing death-jewerly-rumble here. 
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  • $12K is NUTS for a ring.  I agree -- make a solitaire and the comment about the shape of your diamond and you being superstitious cracked me up.  If that caused your marriage to fail, you have bigger issues.

    My fiance bought three rings and returned the first two before finally proposing with the third.  He kept second guessing himself.  All along I'd hinted that I just wanted a solitaire (any shape) and he ended up giving me something that is not a solitaire and do I love it? I love what it means and it's slowly growing on me...but yes, I wish I had been given a solitaire but I wouldn't dare tell him that!  He sounds like he's trying very hard here and you need to work with him.
  • I think not wanting the cut your ex gave you is like saying you don't want to marry a man at all because your ex was a man. It's just plain silly. 

    It sounds like you're making excuses. You are two grown people. Sit down and talk this out honestly, then move on from there. 
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_attire-accessories_engagement-ring-debacleneed-your-advice-on-this-one-ladies?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:15Discussion:67b42d90-9ff3-49d0-9c28-c1ccda9f5156Post:588a1783-5ba8-466f-b4bf-b43ad0a262aa">Re: Engagement Ring Debacle...need your advice on this one, ladies...</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Engagement Ring Debacle...need your advice on this one, ladies... : This.  You could make a band of the smaller diamonds if you want more bling.  It's hard to be picky and not want to be a part of the process at the same time.  You may have to decide what means more to you... to be a part of the process (and he will need to accept that you won't be surprised) or be surprised with a ring you don't like. <strong> I think $12K is a really big budget originally... are you disappointed because a ring of that size is what you have in mind? </strong> It sounds like the diamonds he has will never amount to something like that.  Both of you may need to reset your expectations and it sounds like you're doing that. 
    Posted by Giaspo[/QUOTE]

    This is what I immediately thought.  OP sounds more upset that the ring will be 3/4 carat when they had originally had a 12k budget (which would've been bigger). 

    OP - I think you need to be honest with your FI.  If you don't want the heirloom diamond, tell your FI.  Perhaps see if you can incorporate the smaller diamonds as a wedding band.  I would rather be upfront now (in a gentle conversation) than end up with a ring I didn't care for that I will wear the rest of my life.  For me, H and I went ring shopping, I found a setting I liked, told FI what shape of diamond I liked, then let him pick out the actual diamond.  I had no idea when he bought it or when I was going to receive it, so there was still an element of surprise.  It worked out great.
  • Why don't you go with the original ring, get married and then for your 1st year anniversary get another ring of your choice (with his input, of course)

    When all is said and done, a style of ring really doesn't matter--getting married is the real issue here.  THe ring is merely a symbol of getting married.  Think about that first.  

    Then when you have the answer, talk about the ring.
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