Amazon sells book defending pedophilia

TheCranberry

Amazon.com is selling a book that defends pedophilia and gives advice to pedophiles.  Amazon defends its decision to sell the book by saying they don't want to engage in censorship.

Anderson Cooper noted that Amazon does not sell porn so clearly they make decisions about what types of products to sell.  Some people are calling for a boycott.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/10/amazon-com-book-defending-pedophilia-sparks-boycott-call/?hpt=T2

Thoughts?

ricksang

WTF is happening these days? People defending rapists, murderers, and now child molesters? It's awful.

K Byte

I was just reading about this on another site, someone posted an excerpt (Well, I don't know if it's a verified excerpt, it could easily be a  hoax, to be fair, it is the internet ...) and it was SOOOO disturbing I just can't even.

laurenclaire1386

I didn't read the whole article, so take this with a grain of salt. The only thing that REALLY bothers me about this is that Amazon appears to be violating terms it as a company laid down. So if it's in their TOS not to distribute this type of material, then they shouldn't. However, I'm not down for censorship in any way, shape, or form. I don't think anybody that's going to abuse children really needs a how-to manual, KWIM? I seriously doubt there's anybody out there that's been sitting around putting off starting his/her pedophilia career because there hasn't been a how-to manual published for it.

TheCranberry

I can't believe they would actually defend selling this book.  I predict they will soon feel the financial repurcussions from this.

cupcakesfrosting

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[QUOTE]I didn't read the whole article, so take this with a grain of salt. The only thing that REALLY bothers me about this is that Amazon appears to be violating terms it as a company laid down. So if it's in their TOS not to distribute this type of material, then they shouldn't. However, I'm not down for censorship in any way, shape, or form. I don't think anybody that's going to abuse children really needs a how-to manual, KWIM? I seriously doubt there's anybody out there that's been sitting around putting off starting his/her pedophilia career because there hasn't been a how-to manual published for it.
Posted by laurenclaire1386[/QUOTE]

This. Although I think that this book may take it a little further than my own comfort level would allow. I think it's a little ridiculous to have it on a site that children may well be going on.

ricksang

Good point LC besides wouldn't they be paranoid about buying the book?

pixiedust84

Who the hell writes a book like that? If they continue selling it they should totally track who is buying it.

LessThanZero

Yeah, I saw this earlier and I don't exactly know what to think about it.

To me, porn is an entirely different concept so if Amazon decided they don't want to sell it, then fine.

LC brings up a good point about the TOS. If that's the case, then it speaks for itself. But I am also against censorship of any kind no matter how much I dislike the topic. I think this book is deplorable and completely disgusting. But the reasons it gets to be published and sold is the same reason I'm allowed to talk about how disgusting it is.

laurenclaire1386

I'm certainly not defending the subject matter of it, but I will defend the author's right to write it. And Amazon's right to publish/distribute it, or not publish it. Censorship of any sort is a slippery slope. There are very ugly parts of the human condition, and pretending they don't exist by not allowing people to exercise their constitutional rights doesn't make them any less real. This is the shitty side of the first amendment.

kimheartsscott

....Amazon doesn't sell porn?

LessThanZero

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[QUOTE]I'm certainly not defending the subject matter of it, but I will defend the author's right to write it. And Amazon's right to publish/distribute it, or not publish it. Censorship of any sort is a slippery slope. There are very ugly parts of the human condition, and pretending they don't exist by not allowing people to exercise their constitutional rights doesn't make them any less real. This is the shitty side of the first amendment.
Posted by laurenclaire1386[/QUOTE]

Yes, exactly. It works both ways.

TheCranberry

I definitely and firmly believe in the First Amendment.  The author should not be prohibited from writing whatever book he wants to write, and Amazon should be able to sell what they want to sell.  However, I also support consumers' decision to boycott Amazon as a result.

It's crazy to me that Amazon would not sell porn, but they do sell this.  What's worse: a movie giving BJ tips for consenting adults or this book?

Y I Oughta

OK, I have a kid, and I want to read this book. Not in a use it type of way. I want to know the tricks the book is teaching so I can teach my 13 year old daughter what she needs to watch out for. If anything it can be used as a learning tool for parents on what to tell their kids what type of situation to look out for and get out of if they find themselves in one.

laurenclaire1386

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[QUOTE]I definitely and firmly believe in the First Amendment.  The author should not be prohibited from writing whatever book he wants to write, and Amazon should be able to sell what they want to sell.  <strong>However, I also support consumers' decision to boycott Amazon as a result.</strong> It's crazy to me that Amazon would not sell porn, but they do sell this.  What's worse: a movie giving BJ tips for consenting adults or this book?
Posted by TheCranberry[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. By all means, if you have a real, moral problem with a company like that, then you should be able to vocalize and act on that by not using them. And yeah, porn is not even remotely in the same category as a pedophilia guide. Not.even.close. Pedophilia guide wins the award for god awful, deplorable, and what in the fuuck was Amazon thinking? Who thought this was a good idea? If it did violate TOS, how come they didn't catch it? I'd like to hear from Amazon.

pixiedust84

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[QUOTE]OK, I have a kid, and I want to read this book. Not in a use it type of way. I want to know the tricks the book is teaching so I can teach my 13 year old daughter what she needs to watch out for. If anything it can be used as a learning tool for parents on what to tell their kids what type of situation to look out for and get out of if they find themselves in one.
Posted by Y I Oughta[/QUOTE]

That is an interesting point. I am now going to hope that that was the authors intention. in writing the book.

ETA: Just read the article... yeah I don't think that was the author's intention. Yikes.

LessThanZero

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[QUOTE]I definitely and firmly believe in the First Amendment.  The author should not be prohibited from writing whatever book he wants to write, and Amazon should be able to sell what they want to sell.  However, I also support consumers' decision to boycott Amazon as a result. It's crazy to me that Amazon would not sell porn, but they do sell this.  <strong>What's worse: a movie giving BJ tips for consenting adults or this book?</strong>
Posted by TheCranberry[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone would disagree that this book is worse in so many ways.

However, how does Amazon know that the people receiving the BJ tips are consenting adults and not a 14 year old with a credit card?

Again, I don't agree with the topic or point of the book. I think it's vomit-worthy to say the least.

TheCranberry

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Amazon sells book defending pedophilia : I don't think anyone would disagree that this book is worse in so many ways. However, how does Amazon know that the people receiving the BJ tips are consenting adults and not a 14 year old with a credit card? Again, I don't agree with the topic or point of the book. I think it's vomit-worthy to say the least.
Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

They don't know, but that same 14 year old could read this book and believe that an adult making advances on him is okay.   I just don't get the rationale that this book advocating and teaching about sexual relationships between adults and children (a crime) is a-okay, but Nina Hartley's guide to BJ's teaching about sexual relationships between consenting adults is not. 

Lenore2010

Amazon pulled the book from its website after perfectly justifiable public outrage. Morons. What were they thinking having this crap available on their site?

Ghoti

Odd that they don't sell porn but they sell vibrators.

kimheartsscott

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[QUOTE]OK, I have a kid, and I want to read this book. Not in a use it type of way. I want to know the tricks the book is teaching so I can teach my 13 year old daughter what she needs to watch out for. If anything it can be used as a learning tool for parents on what to tell their kids what type of situation to look out for and get out of if they find themselves in one.
Posted by Y I Oughta[/QUOTE]

<div>I kinda think maybe you should invest in<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Guide-Internet-Safety/dp/1435711599/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1289449523&sr=8-2" title="this book."> </a><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Guide-Internet-Safety/dp/1435711599/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1289449523&sr=8-2">this book</a>.</div>

Y I Oughta

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Amazon sells book defending pedophilia : I kinda think maybe you should invest in   this book .
Posted by kimheartsscott[/QUOTE]

I would buy it to teach my kid about what to stay away from and someone would call me out as a Pedo when they trace the purchase.

Heeeeeyyyyy. Maybe this is a book being sold for the purpose of someone (the government) to trace and arrest pedos.

I doubt it but in a perfect world we wouldn't have to worry about them, pedos or the government

kimheartsscott

There is a clicky link in there.

TheCranberry

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[QUOTE]There is a clicky link in there.
Posted by kimheartsscott[/QUOTE]

How do you make a clicky link with a name other than the URL?  It doesn't work when I try to do it.

kimheartsscott

Type the word first, highlight it and click on the chain.  Enter the URL but don't put anything under "title"

[Deleted User]

Those of you that support the authors right to write and sell this shiit make me really sad. I understand all of that slippery slope crap, but damn. There is no way you can convince me that this is okay. I really regret buying all of Ben's Christmas presents from Amazon.

How is it censorship if it's just about the choice of whether to sell it or not? It's not like they are burning the book. They just aren't helping to spread that vile filth.

What if I wrote a book about how to best cut the heads off of kittens and sell them as Christmas ornaments? Or a book about how to create a dog fighting ring?

Lenore2010

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[QUOTE]Those of you that support the authors right to write and sell this shiit make me really sad. I understand all of that slippery slope crap, but damn. There is no way you can convince me that this is okay. I really regret buying all of Ben's Christmas presents from Amazon. How is it censorship if it's just about the choice of whether to sell it or not? It's not like they are burning the book. They just aren't helping to spread that vile filth. What if I wrote a book about how to best cut the heads off of kittens and sell them as Christmas ornaments? Or a book about how to create a dog fighting ring?
Posted by cew515[/QUOTE]

<div>I absolutely agree, Cew. No one said it was illegal for him to write it or publish it (though ironically, a book about how to say, assassinate the President would be strictly illegal and you could be arrested for even having such writing in your home let alone attempting to publish it).</div><div>
</div><div>The idea that it is okay for Amazon to sell this in the name of free speech is something I don't get either and the constitution is something near and dear to my attorney heart (Yes we do have hearts! Don't laugh!).</div>

[Deleted User]

I'm torn over the issue. I won't say that he doesn't have the right to write the book. I don't think you can tell someone what they can or cannot write. And he self-published it, so it was likely easier getting it past any kind of censorship in Amazon since it didn't come directly from a publishing company. I do know that Amazon doesn't always look into the book content itself so it wouldn't surprise me if they just got the PDF file and listed it for sale.

However, that does not excuse the book. It's disgusting, and I do not think the first ammendment should protect someone against selling a book teaching people how to be a pedophile. It's illegal, destroys people's lives, and is encouraging behavior that sends people to prison. I agree it should not be sold. That being said, I don't see the need to boycott Amazon. I'm not sure why, but it doesn't totally and completely disgust me that they listed it enough to never buy anything from them again. A book isn't going to create a pedophile, and it won't stop one either. Pedophiles will do what they do regardless of any book. 

Angrytomato

In response to the Amazon porn question: Amazon will sell vibrators, books geared towards erotica, penis pumps, lubes, that sort of thing. You just won't find a copy of Grannies and Trannies in their DVD section. They shy away from video pornography it looks like.

[Deleted User]

Exactly, Lenore. I would still be utterly repulsed and want to find the guy and rip his junk off with my bare hands if he chose to publish and market it all on his own, but I would agree, that unfortunately, he is well with in his rights to do so.

However, Amazon selling it and there by endorsing it, is just wrong. As a company, they can and should make choices as to what they endorse. There is no excuse anyone could give me that would make it okay. None.

LessThanZero

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[QUOTE]Those of you that support the authors right to write and sell this shiit make me really sad. I understand all of that slippery slope crap, but damn. There is no way you can convince me that this is okay. I really regret buying all of Ben's Christmas presents from Amazon. <strong>How is it censorship if it's just about the choice of whether to sell it or not?</strong> It's not like they are burning the book. They just aren't helping to spread that vile filth. What if I wrote a book about how to best cut the heads off of kittens and sell them as Christmas ornaments? Or a book about how to create a dog fighting ring?
Posted by cew515[/QUOTE]


It's not. I was talking about censorship in terms of the book being published and distributed, not at all about Amazon selling it. That's something they could have chosen not to do. Hell, the publishing company could have chosen not to publish it. I don't know why thy thought it would be a good idea to do so either.