I don't care that no one is here, can we do Unpop Ops?

Nebb

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I don't care that no one is here, can we do Unpop Ops? : Yeah you guys are pretty sensible.  I rarely see things devolve to name-calling.  To be honest, this was inspired by a completely un-TK-related issue.  There's a website called antiduckface.com, which is silly, and there's a picture of a girl I know on there.  People are vicious, it made her cry, and when someone said that it made her cry, they amped up the insults.  And said "Ugh, she needs a tougher skin if this makes her cry."
Posted by MandK9[/QUOTE]
Why didnt she just get them to pull the post? Theyve done that before.

MeaghanandMichael

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[QUOTE]I can't believe not a single person wants to argue with my unpop op.  I brought out the big guns today even.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

I don't know enough about rehab for sex offenders :( I just know I would be very wary of taking the chance that another child's life would be forever ruined by abuse like that.

Wrkn925

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[QUOTE]Sweet bride badges, Paige. Oops- my bad, wkrn, but I still agree with what you are saying.
Posted by MeaghanandMichael[/QUOTE]

No real oops, you're  just explaining what that 9yo picky eater grows up to be, lol.

I managed not to state in the earlier post that is was a child. 

J&K10910

And, see, Cew, I can't argue that with you because I'm not a parent, but I do imagine I'd feel about the same way.  And like I said, SOME SOs I believe can be rehabilitated.  Not all. 

Wrkn, it's too bad prisons don't work like that.  it would be nice if there were rehabilition opportunities available to offenders in prisons.

betrothed123

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[QUOTE]I look at prison as rehabilitation.  When educated officials can tell that a person is rehabilitated, they should be released.  If they have served their time and fulfilled the purpose of being in jail, then they have paid their dues.
Posted by Wrkn925[/QUOTE]
Prison is about punishment, not rehabilitation.  Part of the reason we have such a high recidivism rate is that we have very little rehabilitation involved in our prison system.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I don't care that no one is here, can we do Unpop Ops? : I don't know enough about rehab for sex offenders :( I just know I would be very wary of taking the chance that another child's life would be forever ruined by abuse like that.
Posted by MeaghanandMichael[/QUOTE]

But not all sex offenders have child victims, either.  Not that adult victims aren't just as damaged or vulnerable as children.  Just clarifying.

ricksang

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I don't care that no one is here, can we do Unpop Ops? : For Ang.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

Ahh Okay, well you already know my feelings on that. I think people should have a trial and if convicted and sentenced, I am okay with whatever sentence, if it's harsh enough. I don't know if sex offenders can be rehabed, but I think they are fucking sick and they deserve every little thing that happens to them.

My SIL is dealing with a sex offender  (an old friend) who came on her daughter's  leg and fingered her niece. Both girls were six at the time. That asshole is going to get 2 years, time served so my SIL has to go make an victim's impact statement.

This same sickfuck got the sh!t beat out of him and can't appear in court now because he was hurt so badily. I don't feel sorry for him and I don't think people who finger six year olds can be or should be rehabed.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I don't care that no one is here, can we do Unpop Ops? : Prison is about punishment, not rehabilitation.  Part of the reason we have such a high recidivism rate is that we have very little rehabilitation involved in our prison system.
Posted by betrothed123[/QUOTE]

Yeah, prison is a really good way for people to learn new tricks of the trade, as well.

[Deleted User]

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[QUOTE]And, see, Cew, I can't argue that with you because I'm not a parent, but I do imagine I'd feel about the same way.  And like I said, SOME SOs I believe can be rehabilitated.  Not all.  .
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

See, for me, it's just not worth the risk. It's not like they used to steal cars and went to prison and got therapy to stop. What they did had horrible consequences on their victims. A lifetime of fuckedupedness.I doubt any one would advocate setting a serial killer free even if they had been rehabbed. The risk is too great.

J&K10910

I'm very sorry your SIL and her family had to go through that, Ang

MeaghanandMichael

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I don't care that no one is here, can we do Unpop Ops? : But not all sex offenders have child victims, either.  Not that adult victims aren't just as damaged or vulnerable as children.  Just clarifying.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

ok I need to take a step back from the computer. I am full of reading comprehension fail today. For some reason I though we WERE talking about child victims. blergggh. I stayed up too late playing Risk with my family last night. It was awesome.

avsfan33

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[QUOTE]We deep fry our turkey, it's a lot better that way. UO:<strong> I don't think people (*cough* my sister) should give in to super picky eaters</strong>. My parents offered me a meal.  If I didn't eat it, I could skip it.  PB&J was not offered as an alternative.  My sister classifies this as starvation and abuse.
Posted by Wrkn925[/QUOTE]


Normally I would agree with this but I'm technically a picky eater. My tastebuds never developed properly so I taste things completely different from everyone else. So there's a lot of things I don't eat for that reason.  I also won't eat my food if it touches (steak touching peas or something). I physically cannot do it. I don't know why, I just can't. It's irritating. I get made fun of a lot of for it and it actually pisses me off. I also refuse to eat potatoes because my Dad's ex gf decided to shove them down my throat. Literally. But I will eat french fries, as long as they're thin and crispy and I don't taste the icky mushy potato and they have to be soaked in vinegar and salt.

Wrkn925

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I don't care that no one is here, can we do Unpop Ops? : Prison is about punishment, not rehabilitation.  Part of the reason we have such a high recidivism rate is that we have very little rehabilitation involved in our prison system.
Posted by betrothed123[/QUOTE]

Well, my education about the penal system is from a few cable shows, and an ex who worked for the county jail.  So you are welcome to take that with a grain of salt.
I wish that there was a greater focus on rehabilitation and making felons a contributing member of society.

ricksang

TY JK. My SIL is really nervous b/c her statement is the think thing that may or may not keep this guy in jail. She's a good speaker though so I am rooting for her!

ricksang

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I don't care that no one is here, can we do Unpop Ops? : Well, my education about the penal system is from a few cable shows, and an ex who worked for the county jail.  So you are welcome to take that with a grain of salt. I wish that there was a greater focus on rehabilitation and making felons a contributing member of society.
Posted by Wrkn925[/QUOTE]
You said penal lol.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I don't care that no one is here, can we do Unpop Ops? : See, for me, it's just not worth the risk. It's not like they used to steal cars and went to prison and got therapy to stop. What they did had horrible consequences on their victims. A lifetime of fuckedupedness.I doubt any one would advocate setting a serial killer free even if they had been rehabbed. The risk is too great.
Posted by cew515[/QUOTE]

And there are risk assessment tools to deal with deciding if that risk is or isn't high enough.  Which, I'm sure most people would believe with sex offenders taht any risk is too high, and I get that.  I just firmly believe that most sex offenders have a LOT of crap going on in their heads that isn't "normal" and can be changed, and to me, them becoming a safe, contributing member of society goes a lot further to pay their debts than rotting in prison. 

betrothed123

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I don't care that no one is here, can we do Unpop Ops? : Well, my education about the penal system is from a few cable shows, and an ex who worked for the county jail.  So you are welcome to take that with a grain of salt. <strong>I wish that there was a greater focus on rehabilitation and making felons a contributing member of society.</strong>
Posted by Wrkn925[/QUOTE]
That point we definitely agree on.

PaigeMcC

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I don't care that no one is here, can we do Unpop Ops? : Ahh Okay, well you already know my feelings on that. I think people should have a trial and if convicted and sentenced, I am okay with whatever sentence, if it's harsh enough. I don't know if sex offenders can be rehabed, but I think they are fucking sick and they deserve every little thing that happens to them. My SIL is dealing with a sex offender  (an old friend) who came on her daughter's  leg and fingered her niece. Both girls were six at the time. That asshole is going to get 2 years, time served so my SIL has to go make an victim's impact statement. This same sickfuck got the sh!t beat out of him and can't appear in court now because he was hurt so badily. I don't feel sorry for him and I don't think people who finger six year olds can be or should be rehabed.
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

<div>I don't know much (errr anything) about the American prison system but that suckfvck should NEVER see the light of day again.  I'm so sorry your family has to deal with that.</div><div>
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J&K10910

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I don't care that no one is here, can we do Unpop Ops? : Normally I would agree with this but I'm technically a picky eater. My tastebuds never developed properly so I taste things completely different from everyone else. So there's a lot of things I don't eat for that reason.  I also won't eat my food if it touches (steak touching peas or something). I physically cannot do it. I don't know why, I just can't. It's irritating. I get made fun of a lot of for it and it actually pisses me off. I also refuse to eat potatoes because my Dad's ex gf decided to shove them down my throat. Literally. But I will eat french fries, as long as they're thin and crispy and I don't taste the icky mushy potato and they have to be soaked in vinegar and salt.
Posted by avsfan33[/QUOTE]

Not eating food that is touching has nothing to do with your taste buds.  And I think most people don't eat things they had bad experiences with.  I think what people are trying to say is that coddling children by catering to what they will and won't eat (and a lot of kids are picky eaters) is just going to make more problems for them when they're adults.  If I make a meal that the people eating don't like, that's too bad, whether they're kids or adults. 

ricksang

TY Paige. It just seems to me rapists, sexual offenders (especially those of children) get off to easy. It's like judges think "Hry the vitctim was a child, he/she will bounce back"
 
Umm no. I have worked with far too many girls who did not bounce back.

[Deleted User]

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I don't care that no one is here, can we do Unpop Ops? : And there are risk assessment tools to deal with deciding if that risk is or isn't high enough.  Which, I'm sure most people would believe with sex offenders taht any risk is too high, and I get that.  I just firmly believe that most sex offenders have a LOT of crap going on in their heads that isn't "normal" and can be changed, and to me, them becoming a safe, contributing member of society goes a lot further to pay their debts than rotting in prison. 
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

Just to clarify, I'm talking about child abusers and serial rapists for the most part, but I don't mind one bit paying taxes that go to making them rot in prison for ever. I don't care whether or not they repay their debt to society. I want them to sit in jail and be assraped daily for the sick shiit they've done to completely innocent little things.

Wrkn925

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I don't care that no one is here, can we do Unpop Ops? : You said penal lol.
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

I'm pronouncing it in my head and spellchecker didn't pick it up, but I would not argue with anyone who told me I used that word incorrectly.

3 meals yesterday, 6 hours shopping, 2.5 hours sleep, and I'm halfway through the workday.  I'm surprised I'm making <em>any</em> sense.

J&K10910

And also?  I wonder why sex offenders (or predatory offenders, so kidnappers and such too) are the only ones who have to register.  If someone just got out of prison because they set their neighbors' house on fire, I damn well want to know if they move in next door to me!

ricksang

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I don't care that no one is here, can we do Unpop Ops? : I'm pronouncing it in my head and spellchecker didn't pick it up, but I would not argue with anyone who told me I used that word incorrectly. 3 meals yesterday, 6 hours shopping, 2.5 hours sleep, and I'm halfway through the workday.  I'm surprised I'm making any sense.
Posted by Wrkn925[/QUOTE]
No I am 12. I always laugh at certain words that have nothing to do with sex but sound like it.

LessThanZero

I don't think it's "ok" for humans to drink cow's milk.

avsfan33

No I agree completely. My aunt and uncle give in to their son way too easily and he has absolutely no excuse. One day he'll love corn and the next "he hates that" so he gets to have a hot dog. When my mom babysits him she doesn't put up with it. Either he eats what's given to him or he can starve for the night.

I didn't mean my tastebuds not developing had to do with my food touching, those are two completely different things. If I don't like something someone makes, I don't eat it. I do make an attempt to try it and generally I will force things down. My mom gave in to me a lot because of  the tastebud thing but I was still taught to eat what's in front of me and not be rude at other people's homes. I don't expect people to cater to me.

PaigeMcC

I agree, ricksang.  Victims don't just "bounce back", especially children!  There is no reason to ever be lenient to anyone that intentionally harms a child.  They're just sick.

Wrkn925

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[QUOTE]And also?  I wonder why sex offenders (or predatory offenders, so kidnappers and such too) are the only ones who have to register.  If someone just got out of prison because they set their neighbors' house on fire, I damn well want to know if they move in next door to me!
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

Hmmm....
Stepdad owns a convenience store.  It would be nice to know who was arrested for stealing, etc. before.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]I don't think it's "ok" for humans to drink cow's milk.
Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

For real?  If so, why do you feel that way?  If not, then roll your eyes because I missed something.

KaylaSue19

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I don't care that no one is here, can we do Unpop Ops? : And there are risk assessment tools to deal with deciding if that risk is or isn't high enough.  Which, I'm sure most people would believe with sex offenders taht any risk is too high, and I get that.  I just firmly believe that most sex offenders have a LOT of crap going on in their heads that isn't "normal" and can be changed, and to me,<strong> them becoming a safe, contributing member of society goes a lot further to pay their debts than rotting in prison. </strong>
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

Some sex offenders probably can be rehabilitated but I just don't know. It's hard for me because I think about my son in this case too. I think anyone who causes harm on a child once would do it again at some point. <font color="#999999">
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I do agree with the bold statement though.

ETA- I am sorry about that too, Ang. That is awful.
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