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So, I'm pretty much speechless

I'm really sorry you guys - I have been a real mess lately because of the flooding problems back home and I can't find much else to think about.  I am never happy these days, about anything.  I can't sleep for shiit.  I can hardly focus on my job.  All I want to do is lay in bed and cry.

There was a public meeting last night in my hometown with the Corps of Engineers.  Basically, they told the residents to prepare for 1458 feet - which means to prepare for the lake to reach its spillover elevation.  They will not release any water until the outlets are finished next summer.  That is too late (it's really been too late for more than ten years at this point).  Even when the outlets are finished, they are only capable of releasing a little bit of water anyway - not any amount that will make any significant difference.

I understand that it's a complex issue, and that government is hard to work through.  But this has been going on for two decades.  When they say that they just haven't had enough time to figure something out, I can't believe them.  Every time they did impact studies, it wasted our time and theirs.  They've wasted so much money on keeping the water back to protect downstream people and it's done nothing but flood out everyone else in the basin, and it's pretty evident to me that the downstream people are screwed now too.

When the lake reaches that level my family will be out of business and I find it pretty hard to believe anyone could live up there.  It's impossible enough to live there right now as it is.  Small towns are being swallowed.  Family farms that have lasted for generations are being inundated.  People are being trapped, stranded or forced to flee.  School buses, ambulances, even the fucking mail can't get in.  My sister and brother in law were in town visiting us over the weekend and remarked how wonderful it was to drive on a road that wasn't surrounded by water on both sides.

I'm just beside myself.  I can't believe it ever reached this point and I am so angry at those unimaginable bastard fuckbags for allowing this to happen and telling the people to just be patient.  It's the most disgusting thing I've ever seen.

All I want to do is cry.
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    Hugs, AATB. I'm really sorry :( That's a lot to deal with.
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    Aww...I don't know what else to say other than I'm sorry and hang in there. *hugs*
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    So sorry, AATB! That's just a crummy situation. :(
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    that really sucks. I wish I had an answer, but I'm with you. I can't believe they are just doing nothing. It's unreal and so unfair. Part of me hopes the residents take drastic actions and matters into their own hands and find a way to do something about it. Did they ever break out the shovels and start digging? I know it wouldn't do much, but hey, it's a start.

    Lots of hugs for you. I know how stressed out you are about it and I'm here if you need to talk or vent or cry.
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    Oh, AATB I'm so sorry =(.  Your family and town are still in my T&Ps.  I'm sorry nothing has been resolved.
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    I know a few people dug out a few "symbolic" holes but of course nothing that will do anything. 

    I don't know how many times I've heard people say they'd run up to the coulee with dynamite if they were diagnosed with terminal cancer.  Stuff about dying in jail, but being a hero.

    I just wish this would be over :( And I know that me posting about it and rambling on and on doesn't do much other than mildly attempt to make me feel better.  Which it doesn't.
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    I'm so sorry AATB. :(
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    Aw AATB, I'm sorry.  I can't even imagine what it must be like to be going through all this.  Makes my 2 weeks of rain seem pretty insignificant.
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    I'm sorry AATB! What a terrible situation. ::hugs to you and your family::
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    I'll keep your family and their neighbors in my thoughts AATB. 
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    i'm sorry to hear all of that AATB. keeping you and your family in my thoughts and prayers. :(
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    I'm so sorry AATB. I hate feeling helpless. You want to do something, but you can't. I wish I could help you and your family. I really do.
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    *HUGS* AATB.  I'm really sorry :(
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    I'm so sorry AATB, I've been in a flood before, and it makes you realize how scary and damaging water is.  I still hate it when it rains hard.  I wish I could do something to help.
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    I'm sorry, AATB.  {{hugs}} 
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    I'm so sorry. That's absolutely horrible.
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    I'm so sorry. It's an awful situation. I'm not sure what it would be, but is there anything we can do? Write letters, call congressmen? Anything at all?? 
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    AATB I am so sorry you are dealing with this. My parents are farmers (retired now though) and I don't what we would have done if we would have lost all of our land due to flooding. The government should be willing compensate people for the amount of land they lost. I can't believe they have just been ignoring the situation all these years. Surely in the last two decades someone should have been to come up with some sort of solution even if it was something temporary until they found something else. I wish there was something I could do to help. 
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_im-pretty-much-speechless?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:bac7b898-bac3-4342-9ba7-e5ed71f986caPost:48bdc41e-c53c-4a99-88b7-44d27ea543a9">Re: So, I'm pretty much speechless</a>:
    [QUOTE]I'm so sorry. It's an awful situation. I'm not sure what it would be, but is there anything we can do? Write letters, call congressmen? Anything at all?? 
    Posted by Brandiewine11[/QUOTE]

    I'm pretty sure we've had enough help from our "friends" in Washington.  Now we need to be writing national news networks so they can tell the rest of the country how much money's been wasted on this.
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    Like CoveJack, I've been flooded, which was bad enough, but my situation was over in 72 hours, and my losses were "only" stuff that money could replace.  I cannot imagine what you and your town and everyone affected by this situation are feeling and going through, but it must be terrifying. Thoughts and prayers to you and your family, and to the lives you have built.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_im-pretty-much-speechless?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:bac7b898-bac3-4342-9ba7-e5ed71f986caPost:e4bde842-8622-4ddc-b4f1-6aa1536ac44a">Re: So, I'm pretty much speechless</a>:
    [QUOTE]I'm so sorry. This is just terrible.  I can't believe it hasn't reached the news nationally. 
    Posted by Dot Dash[/QUOTE]

    This is my question too? I think AATB, that you're right about people getting the national news on board with the story to gain more attention. Isn't there some farmer's advocacy organization or somthing along those lines that can rally for this? I guess that's a dumb question, I just can't wrap my mind around something like this happening without some seroius effort to save peopls' livlihoods. Those pictures are devastating. Can you post links to some local news stories about it? I have seen your posts talking about, but I want to read more.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_im-pretty-much-speechless?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:bac7b898-bac3-4342-9ba7-e5ed71f986caPost:bb9d9d91-54fb-4e0f-b355-bd5c7990087d">Re: So, I'm pretty much speechless</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: So, I'm pretty much speechless : This is my question too? I think AATB, that you're right about people getting the national news on board with the story to gain more attention. Isn't there some farmer's advocacy organization or somthing along those lines that can rally for this? I guess that's a dumb question, I just can't wrap my mind around something like this happening without some seroius effort to save peopls' livlihoods. Those pictures are devastating. Can you post links to some local news stories about it? I have seen your posts talking about, but I want to read more.
    Posted by cdavislynn[/QUOTE]

    Certainly, I am constantly finding news articles and stuff about this.

    Here's what happened at the meeting last night.  There is video with it.

    <a href="http://www.wdaz.com/event/article/id/8629/" rel='nofollow'>http://www.wdaz.com/event/article/id/8629/</a>

    On Monday, about 1500 people rallied at the lake's natural outlet to protest for help.

    Audio - <a href="http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/05/17/devils-lake/" rel='nofollow'>http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/05/17/devils-lake/</a>

    News article - <a href="http://www.bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/article_2e400eec-8043-11e0-8b74-001cc4c03286.html" rel='nofollow'>http://www.bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/article_2e400eec-8043-11e0-8b74-001cc4c03286.html</a>

    Youtube videos from the rally - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rViEchIG8dc&feature=youtu.be" rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rViEchIG8dc&feature=youtu.be</a>

    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2cDU53E-xE&feature=related" rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2cDU53E-xE&feature=related</a>

    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puQBGlGlUdc&feature=related" rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puQBGlGlUdc&feature=related</a>

    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBXkm56DPYY&feature=related" rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBXkm56DPYY&feature=related</a>

    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fMlJtfYFvM&feature=related" rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fMlJtfYFvM&feature=related</a>

    This article from the Atlantic does a great job at describing what's happening.

    <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/life/archive/2011/05/where-the-roads-end-in-water-the-lake-that-wont-stop-rising/238848/" rel='nofollow'>http://www.theatlantic.com/life/archive/2011/05/where-the-roads-end-in-water-the-lake-that-wont-stop-rising/238848/</a>
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    I'm so very sorry about all of this, AATB.  :(  For what little it's worth, I really admire you for your passion in making sure that as many people as possible know about it.

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    Im sorry AATB.   You and your family have my T&P's.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: So, I'm pretty much speechless : Certainly, I am constantly finding news articles and stuff about this. Here's what happened at the meeting last night.  There is video with it. <a href="http://www.wdaz.com/event/article/id/8629/" rel='nofollow'>http://www.wdaz.com/event/article/id/8629/</a> On Monday, about 1500 people rallied at the lake's natural outlet to protest for help. Audio - <a href="http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/05/17/devils-lake/" rel='nofollow'>http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/05/17/devils-lake/</a> News article - <a href="http://www.bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/article_2e400eec-8043-11e0-8b74-001cc4c03286.html" rel='nofollow'>http://www.bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/article_2e400eec-8043-11e0-8b74-001cc4c03286.html</a> Youtube videos from the rally - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rViEchIG8dc&feature=youtu.be" rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rViEchIG8dc&feature=youtu.be</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2cDU53E-xE&feature=related" rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2cDU53E-xE&feature=related</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puQBGlGlUdc&feature=related" rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puQBGlGlUdc&feature=related</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBXkm56DPYY&feature=related" rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBXkm56DPYY&feature=related</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fMlJtfYFvM&feature=related" rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fMlJtfYFvM&feature=related</a> This article from the Atlantic does a great job at describing what's happening. <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/life/archive/2011/05/where-the-roads-end-in-water-the-lake-that-wont-stop-rising/238848/" rel='nofollow'>http://www.theatlantic.com/life/archive/2011/05/where-the-roads-end-in-water-the-lake-that-wont-stop-rising/238848/</a>
    Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

    Thanks-I am going to go check it out. Be back.
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    How incredibly frustrating! Thoughts and prayers for your family and their community. I'm so sorry this is happening, and wish there was something we could do. And ditto Celles' admiration for your spreading the word efforts
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    "Jeff Zent, a spokesman for Gov. Jack Dalrymple, said the governor sent a liaison to the rally and understands the frustrations of people in the basin.

    Zent said Dalrymple is working with federal agencies and the state Water Commission on an "aggressive timetable" to stop the lake from rising, including an outlet and pipeline project on the east side of the lake and a control structure at Tolna Coulee. The outlet project is expected to cost between $62 million and $90 million and be completed in spring 2012, Zent said.

    If people can get a handle on Devils Lake and relieve the flooding by using the Tolna Coulee sooner rather than later, the next problem to solve will be overland flooding north of U.S. Highway 2 that's starting to come in from the northeast, Marquart said."

    AATB, why is it that they just won't open up that coulee and let the natural drainage begin? Are there any speculations on why they aren't doing that, and are instead proposing a 2 year long, extrememly expensive alternative project?

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    [QUOTE]" Jeff Zent, a spokesman for Gov. Jack Dalrymple, said the governor sent a liaison to the rally and understands the frustrations of people in the basin. Zent said Dalrymple is working with federal agencies and the state Water Commission on an "aggressive timetable" to stop the lake from rising, including an outlet and pipeline project on the east side of the lake and a control structure at Tolna Coulee. The outlet project is expected to cost between $62 million and $90 million and be completed in spring 2012, Zent said. If people can get a handle on Devils Lake and relieve the flooding by using the Tolna Coulee sooner rather than later, the next problem to solve will be overland flooding north of U.S. Highway 2 that's starting to come in from the northeast, Marquart said ." AATB, why is it that they just won't open up that coulee and let the natural drainage begin? Are there any speculations on why they aren't doing that, and are instead proposing a 2 year long, extrememly expensive alternative project?
    Posted by cdavislynn[/QUOTE]

    The water quality.  It's apparently high in sulfates near that coulee, and no one downstream wants the water.  The coulee flows into the Sheyenne River, which flows into the Red River - and the Red flows north into Canada into Lake Winnipeg. 

    There are people who are afraid that releasing lake water into the coulee will ruin the biota of the river, and cause erosion along the river (which is horseshit, since the nature of a fucking river is to erode, and the rivers are high every spring anyway). 

    The water quality argument is crap.  The same community who cites poor water quality on the lake - I have on very good authority from a credible source that the community has dumped their raw sewage into the river during flood times.  Classy, eh?  In comparison to Devils Lake, too - Lake Winnipeg is a disgusting, festering shithole of a lake and DL is probably the best fishery in the country.  Nice, eh?

    Basically these reasons have kept the water in the region for years, but there is less than four feet to go before the water starts coming anyway.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: So, I'm pretty much speechless : The water quality.  It's apparently high in sulfates near that coulee, and no one downstream wants the water. The water quality argument is crap.  The same community who cites poor water quality on the lake - I have on very good authority from a credible source that the community has dumped their raw sewage into the river during flood times.  Classy, eh?  Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

    Ok, gotcha. That explains the stupid hesitation. I didn't read that in the 2 articles I was able to read. I can't watch the videos here at work, cause the school secretary will know I am not working! I'll come back and take a look when I get home.

    Haven't they had some EPA people out to test it or something and see if this is in fact the case? However, aren't peoples' homes and farms more important than some erosion? Erosion is a natural occurance anyway...And it seems to me that it would be temporary, whereas what is happening in the community around Devil's Lake is very permanent.

    Anyway, I don't know AATB. I just wanted some more info. Something has to be done soon it seems, and their plan to do a 2 year long project is absurd at the rate that this is destroying everything. Those poor people. I can't even imagine.
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