What do you think about Newt's comments?

NuggetBrain

I'm still waiting for him to explain where the money to pay these kids is going to come from.  Either we're going to have to fire adults, adding to an already depressed economy, or we're going to have to put more money into the school budget to pay for the extra help.

And are we going to pay them minimum wage?  Less? 

Steph0871

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : But that's not what he wants to do.  He was talking about getting rid of the janitor's union and staffing it completely with kids except for one "master janitor".  He's talking about positions that are already filled by adults.  So what, we get rid of the assistant librarians they already have to have kids staff it?  What happens to that adult who now has to find a new job?  Or are we just going to add the kids to the payroll?  Where is the money to pay them going to come from then? That's a lot of relaxing, in my opinion.  And none of it is thought out.
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

I honestly didn't know that. I only read the article Sere posted. I completely disagree with the idea of replacing adults with kids to do the jobs. 

Blueyed228

Celles- I only say it because good ole Newty is famous for being outrageous and then coming back to "explain".  He is a typical politician that way.

Outside of that, I do think he is a good guy, and had he clarified better, his point would probably make sense to those who disagree with what he actually said.

SereJane

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[QUOTE]Sere, I worked the max 26 hours/week. Almost every single week during high school once I turned 16.  I also had 58 college credits when I graduated from HS.  I helped take care of my siblings many nights too, so my mom could teach college classes at night.  I volunteered with my church often. <strong>(I promise we weren't all as crazy as the guy we're currently arguing with on fb.)</strong>  I made it out just fine, with a damn strong work-ethic, too, I might add.  My studies didn't suffer.  Sure, I didn't have as much time to go out and drink like some of my classmates, but so what? 
Posted by Steph0871[/QUOTE]

Then I would for sure say you are one who CAN balance it all, and well too. But not everyone can. Also, if the max is already 26 hours a week, I don't see why Newt thinks labor laws are "stupid" and need to be changed.

The debate was very entertaining ;)

dmiller9274

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : The article doesn't say because Newt doesn't say, because Newt isn't thinking it through.  If he wants to talk about allowing optional after school work programs for impoverished teens, then he should talk about allowing optional after school work programs for impoverished teens.  Instead, he's talking about rolling back the same child labor laws that are designed to protect children from exploitation and abuse.  In other words: Blue's sanitized interpretation makes him seem much saner than he is, lol. (The conversation has probably moved on since I started typing this.  Damn work, impeding my ability to debate politics on the Internets.  *shakesfist*)
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]
I agree with you. I will completely admit that I'm basing my feelings/arguments on what I think/hope he meant. I don't think he's thought through this at all either, and a lot more thought needs to go into it before he should ever move forward with any plans to start changing things. 

SereJane

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[QUOTE]I'm still waiting for him to explain where the money to pay these kids is going to come from.  Either we're going to have to fire adults, adding to an already depressed economy, or we're going to have to put more money into the school budget to pay for the extra help. And are we going to pay them minimum wage?  Less? 
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

From what I have read, less than minimum wage.

SereJane

This article says he wants to replace unionized adult janitors with children ages 9-14. Nine! That is too young IMO

Steph0871

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : Then I would for sure say you are one who CAN balance it all, and well too. But not everyone can. Also, if the max is already 26 hours a week, I don't see why Newt thinks labor laws are "stupid" and need to be changed. The debate was very entertaining ;)
Posted by SereJane[/QUOTE]

So why punish me, because someone else can't hack it?  Growing up, kids could get jobs at 14 working for McDonald's. But you couldn't work at the school. wtf?

dmiller9274

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : <strong>Then I would for sure say you are one who CAN balance it all, and well too. But not everyone can.</strong> Also, if the max is already 26 hours a week, I don't see why Newt thinks labor laws are "stupid" and need to be changed. The debate was very entertaining ;)
Posted by SereJane[/QUOTE]
If we start making things against the law because not everyone can do something, we're not going to be allowed to do anything. Like seriously...anything...ever.

Steph0871

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_think-newts-comments?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:cd03229a-6e4c-48c7-9f97-811c5be84939Post:61d0478d-5836-448f-a290-0b44d3719caf">Re: What do you think about Newt's comments?</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : If we start making things against the law because not everyone can do something, we're not going to be allowed to do anything. Like seriously...anything...ever.
Posted by dmiller9274[/QUOTE]

uh... we're kind of already there.

dmiller9274

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : uh... we're kind of already there.
Posted by Steph0871[/QUOTE]
fuuck it, imma blow this joint. I'm quitting my job and going to live in a teepee on some land that I WON'T PAY TAXES FOR.

SereJane

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : So why punish me, because someone else can't hack it?  Growing up, kids could get jobs at 14 working for McDonald's. But you couldn't work at the school. wtf?
Posted by Steph0871[/QUOTE]

No one is punishing you for it. You worked 26 hours a week and it was legal.

He's saying kids ages 9-14 should be getting part time jobs to replace working adults.

Celles

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[QUOTE]Celles- I only say it because good ole Newty is famous for being outrageous and then coming back to "explain".  He is a typical politician that way. Outside of that, I do think he is a good guy, and had he clarified better, his point would probably make sense to those who disagree with what he actually said.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

I'm not a fan, in general, but I admit I was pleasantly surprised by his take on illegal immigration.  I don't condone illegal immigration <em>or</em> support amnesty, but I do think that it's a very "gray" issue that most politicans (and people in general) tend to treat as black and white.  It was nice to see someone talking about the human element -- even if he does bat for the other side politically. 

NuggetBrain

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : So why punish me, because someone else can't hack it?  <strong>Growing up, kids could get jobs at 14 working for McDonald's. But you couldn't work at the school. wtf?
</strong>Posted by Steph0871[/QUOTE]

So? Why do they need to work at the school? I don't understand.

SereJane

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : If we start making things against the law because not everyone can do something, we're not going to be allowed to do anything. Like seriously...anything...ever.
Posted by dmiller9274[/QUOTE]

But it's not against the law! high schoolers are already allowed to work, as they should be, if they can.

I stand by my opinion that child labor laws shouldn't be relaxed so younger kids can work too.

dmiller9274

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : But it's not against the law! high schoolers are already allowed to work, as they should be, if they can. I stand by my opinion that child labor laws shouldn't be relaxed so younger kids can work too.
Posted by SereJane[/QUOTE]
My response was to the fact that you said you thought 25 hours a week was too much, because SOME kids couldn't handle it. 

azdancer8

I haven't read all the comments, but how is having kids take over adult jobs going to help anything? What happens to those adults who are janitors as a second job because otherwise they can't afford to support their families?

SereJane

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_think-newts-comments?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:cd03229a-6e4c-48c7-9f97-811c5be84939Post:6fabf6f7-eedc-4fd5-9825-3a63df54bfd7">Re: What do you think about Newt's comments?</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : My response was to the fact that you said you thought 25 hours a week was too much, because SOME kids couldn't handle it. 
Posted by dmiller9274[/QUOTE]

No, what I said was that 25 hours a week was too much for SOME kids, not that it's too much overall because some kids can't handle it.

NuggetBrain

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_think-newts-comments?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:cd03229a-6e4c-48c7-9f97-811c5be84939Post:4f5aa50d-c1dd-4071-9a1d-a15475258927">Re: What do you think about Newt's comments?</a>:
[QUOTE]I haven't read all the comments, but how is having kids take over adult jobs going to help anything? What happens to those adults who are janitors as a second job because otherwise they can't afford to support their families?
Posted by azdancer8[/QUOTE]

THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.

Celles

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[QUOTE]I haven't read all the comments, but how is having kids take over adult jobs going to help anything? What happens to those adults who are janitors as a second job because otherwise they can't afford to support their families?
Posted by azdancer8[/QUOTE]

They'll send their kids off to work to support them in their unemployment.  Of course.

celticmyss

The biggest problem I have with this is that I find the idea that kids will have the option to work to buy themselves stuff is shortsighted. There is a good chance a lot of kids will be forced to work by their parents and that money will go directly to the parent. 

I also think that taking away adults jobs and giving them to kids thereby creating more unemployed adults is idiotic. 

dmiller9274

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : No, what I said was that 25 hours a week was too much for SOME kids, not that it's too much overall because some kids can't handle it.
Posted by SereJane[/QUOTE]
Uhm in case we haven't met yet, I'm going to over dramatize everything you say because you're one of those tree hugging hippy liberals ;) 

Steph0871

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_think-newts-comments?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:cd03229a-6e4c-48c7-9f97-811c5be84939Post:9da9f1b1-81a8-4d56-a564-3cf8df3be430">Re: What do you think about Newt's comments?</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : So? Why do they need to work at the school? I don't understand.
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

If a 14 year old kid chooses to get a job, I'd rather have him/her be helping out with paperwork at school than deep-frying some potatoes.

SereJane

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_think-newts-comments?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:cd03229a-6e4c-48c7-9f97-811c5be84939Post:0f82407e-4efe-4ce9-89f1-f1fd18a6a2e0">Re: What do you think about Newt's comments?</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : Uhm in case we haven't met yet, I'm going to over dramatize everything you say because you're one of those tree hugging hippy liberals ;) 
Posted by dmiller9274[/QUOTE]

Omg dmill. Do you  think I'm a tree hugging hippy liberal? I actually grew up identifying myself as a Republican. I even voted for McCain.

Methinks I have changed recently!

ETA: And I'm glad you understood what I meant, because I think the laws as they stand are fine.

dmiller9274

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : Omg dmill. Do you  think I'm a tree hugging hippy liberal? I actually grew up identifying myself as a Republican. I even voted for McCain. Methinks I have changed recently! ETA: And I'm glad you understood what I meant, because I think the laws as they stand are fine.
Posted by SereJane[/QUOTE]
You're pretty liberal! I do get what you're saying, I just can't stop myself from arguing sometimes, I'm pretty sure I'm a great big asshole ;)

SereJane

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_think-newts-comments?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:cd03229a-6e4c-48c7-9f97-811c5be84939Post:6ae2810e-5519-4419-b4f9-49a3b4aadc84">Re: What do you think about Newt's comments?</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : You're pretty liberal! I do get what you're saying, I just can't stop myself from arguing sometimes, I'm pretty sure I'm a great big asshole ;)
Posted by dmiller9274[/QUOTE]

Must be cause I'm so close to Portland ;)

It's okay, I love it. I don't argue much IRL, so it's nice to debate here. Even when people don't always agree with me!

chelseamb11

I still don't get why the laws need to be changed/relaxed.  Kids can already work a reasonable amount if they choose to.  So what's the big deal?

Caitiebobaitie

I grew up in a lower middle class neighborhood and I show up early for work, Monday through Friday and on some weekends.

Newt's blanket statement, FTW.

NuggetBrain

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_think-newts-comments?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:cd03229a-6e4c-48c7-9f97-811c5be84939Post:61ddef23-8b4a-4934-95b6-ed41291310c6">Re: What do you think about Newt's comments?</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : If a 14 year old kid chooses to get a job, I'd rather have him/her be helping out with paperwork at school than deep-frying some potatoes.
Posted by Steph0871[/QUOTE]

But those aren't the only two positions available for kids.  To be honest I'd actually be fine with saying you need to be 16 to work in a food joint.

azdancer8

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_think-newts-comments?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:cd03229a-6e4c-48c7-9f97-811c5be84939Post:61ddef23-8b4a-4934-95b6-ed41291310c6">Re: What do you think about Newt's comments?</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think about Newt's comments? : If a 14 year old kid chooses to get a job, I'd rather have him/her be helping out with paperwork at school than deep-frying some potatoes.
Posted by Steph0871[/QUOTE]

I had a job at 14, and it wasn't at school or in fast food.