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Let's see if we can keep this civilized!

I saw this over on the Snarky Bride board.  It found it interesting and wanted to get some of y'all opinions. 

http://www.kentucky.com/2011/01/17/1600950/kentucky-lawmaker-wants-random.html


We all have different opinions and we aren't all going to agree but let's try our best to keep it clean!  I just like hearing everyone's POV on subjects like this.

ETA: I hopefully fixed the link and the board I got this off of.
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Re: Let's see if we can keep this civilized!

  • bsn1752bsn1752 member
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    edited December 2011
    The link didn't work  :(
  • edited December 2011
    Ok fixed the link in the original post
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  • edited December 2011
    Honestly, I don't have a problem with what they are doing.  If you are getting money from the government, I think you should submit yourself to a drug test.  I don't care what kind of assistance it is, whether its foodstamps or disability money.  I don't think that all, or even most, welfare receipients do drugs or anything like that, but it is all too easy for someone who receives money to do other things with it.  Just like people could take child support money they receive and use it to buy drugs.  And if the people are innocent, then they shouldn't mind submitting themselves to a drug test.  Certain jobs drug test people, so why is this any different?  Just my two cents.
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  • bsn1752bsn1752 member
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    I will say this and leave it alone...

    I believe that people that need help should get it.  However, I also believe that those people receiving the help should be and live responsibly (read: drug free).

    I don't think that it's an invasion of privacy whatsoever, especially considering that drug use is illegal.  Also, my employer (who pays me) can randomly drug test me without warning, so I believe that if you're receiving assistance, then you should be willing and able to also be tested, if need be.

    I think that if the system is truly at "random" or "as needed" basis, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
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    Sarah, I don't think I could have said it any better. The only people who usually are against these tests are the people who have something to hide...
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  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_texas-dallas-ft-worth_lets-see-can-keep-this-civilized?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local Wedding BoardsForum:102Discussion:e628dab0-8294-46c6-bdb4-13b0d8603227Post:a1f88c2f-60f9-42a9-b5e7-f21c1ffa18b8">Re: Let's see if we can keep this civilized!</a>:
    [QUOTE]I will say this and leave it alone... I believe that people that need help should get it.  However, I also believe that those people receiving the help should be and live responsibly (read: drug free). I don't think that it's an invasion of privacy whatsoever, especially considering that drug use is illegal.  Also, my employer (who pays me) can randomly drug test me without warning, so I believe that if you're receiving assistance, then you should be willing and able to also be tested, if need be. I think that if the system is truly at "random" or "as needed" basis, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
    Posted by bsn1752[/QUOTE]

    This is my thinking too.  I can get randomly drug tested at my job so why should it be different if I didn't have a job and needed government assistance?  I agree with Sarah in that I don't think everyone who is on food stamps, medicare, etc is on drugs but the ones that aren't on them shouldn't have a problem with the random testing.  I think some kind of accountability needs to be in place for those seeking assistance!
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  • courtski2004courtski2004 member
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    I am 100% on board with this initiative. If I do drugs and my employer tests me and I lose my job/income as a result, I have no one to blame but myself and you better believe that I am not going to contest it unless it was a false positive. I wouldn't be able to qualify for unemployment, so I would have to make it work in some kind of way. For those who are abusing the system and using those funds to support their habit, the fact that my taxes are funding that infuriates me. I realize that it is a relatively small percentage of the public assistance-dependent community where this is an issue, but I agree with Wendi--the majority of the people against it are those who are hiding something. It may be difficult for folks on disability to mobilize and go to a testing station to perform the drug/compliance test, but that is something specific that KY may need to consider.
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  • bigbabyfacebigbabyface member
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    edited December 2011
    If you can't afford to live with out assistance, or food stamps...then you can't afford drugs...so don't put your money towards crap like that.

    If you can afford drugs...you can afford food.


    And i'll be damned if someone is using MY tax dollars to buy drugs..


    That is all :)
  • edited December 2011
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    [QUOTE]If you can't afford to live with out assistance, or food stamps...then you can't afford drugs...so don't put your money towards crap like that. <strong>If you can afford drugs...you can afford food. And i'll be damned if someone is using MY tax dollars to buy drugs.. That is all :)
    </strong>Posted by bigbabyface[/QUOTE]

    Amen to that! :-)
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  • juliebug1997juliebug1997 member
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    I have nothing wrong with this either.  At least in Texas, it's on a kind of on a debit card system. 

    Off topic, so is child support now, or at least in my friend's case.  She gets a debit card every month with the money on it. 
  • edited December 2011
    I <3 you ladies.     I agree with you all, so far.
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    I am in agreeance with everyone else, I am all for this law.  I grew up in a rough part of town and we were on assistance (both parents disabled) along with the whole street.  Our neighbors had 4 children (ages 8-14) and I was good friends with the 8 yr old they would get food stamps and sell them on the street for half the value to buy alcohol and pot.  There water would get shut off so regularly that the 14yr old would bring laundry to our house just so her brothers and sisters would have clothes for school.  We watched this for a year or so and my parents finally said go get help or we will report you.  We took custody of all four children while she was in rehab.  Sorry for the long story but I can just relate to some of this and really think that sadly it would force some people to be better parents.

    *end rant*
  • edited December 2011
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    [QUOTE]I will say this and leave it alone... I believe that people that need help should get it.  However, I also believe that those people receiving the help should be and live responsibly (read: drug free). I don't think that it's an invasion of privacy whatsoever, especially considering that drug use is illegal.  Also, my employer (who pays me) can randomly drug test me without warning, so I believe that if you're receiving assistance, then you should be willing and able to also be tested, if need be. I think that if the system is truly at "random" or "as needed" basis, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
    Posted by bsn1752[/QUOTE]

    You "said" this very well.  I agree 100%.
  • edited December 2011
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    [QUOTE]I have nothing wrong with this either.  At least in Texas, it's on a kind of on a debit card system.  Off topic, so is child support now, or at least in my friend's case.  She gets a debit card every month with the money on it. 
    Posted by juliebug1997[/QUOTE]

    Yep!  My friend worked at a bank near Stop 6 in FTW.  I asked her why there was a bank over there in the first place and she said because that's where they all come get their food stamps and child support but on their debit card things.
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  • bigbabyfacebigbabyface member
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    edited December 2011
    My co-worker made a good point (as i of course passed this on :P)

    If they fail the drug test, they should be forced to pay for said test, and then pay for the test to get back onto the program!

    I concur.
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    I don't care if you're shootin up or not. I don't want to pay for you, your healthcare, or your 10 children. Get a job.
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    [QUOTE]I don't care if you're shootin up or not. I don't want to pay for you, your healthcare, or your 10 children. Get a job.
    Posted by NMac2010[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE]Honestly, I don't have a problem with what they are doing.  If you are getting money from the government, I think you should submit yourself to a drug test.  I don't care what kind of assistance it is, whether its foodstamps or disability money.  I don't think that all, or even most, welfare receipients do drugs or anything like that, but it is all too easy for someone who receives money to do other things with it.  Just like people could take child support money they receive and use it to buy drugs.  And if the people are innocent, then they shouldn't mind submitting themselves to a drug test.  Certain jobs drug test people, so why is this any different?  Just my two cents.
    Posted by sparklingdiamond[/QUOTE]

    <div>ITA. It's like the people on the side of the road asking for money. On "Police Women of Dallas" they interviewed a lady that did that just to get money for drugs and she made $60 a day! I refuse to give panhandlers money.</div>
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  • sarathirzasarathirza member
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    edited December 2011
    I completely agree with what's been said so far - if you have to be drug tested for a job (ie, your income), then why on earth would you have a problem getting drug tested to receive money from the government? I think you ladies said it much better than I did!
  • rcpm44rcpm44 member
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    edited December 2011
    I completely and agree and will take it step further.

    I think that if you are getting assistance you need to be 1.) actively looking for a job or 2.) bettering yourself, i.e going to college or a trade school. You get 6 months or a year or however long and if you can't prove that you have been doing either of the above your assistance ends.

    Too harsh?
  • edited December 2011
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    [QUOTE]If you can't afford to live with out assistance, or food stamps...then you can't afford drugs...so don't put your money towards crap like that. If you can afford drugs...you can afford food. And i'll be damned if someone is using MY tax dollars to buy drugs.. That is all :)
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    This

    Also, Bobbileigh your parents win the award, for making the world a better place one neighbor at a time. That is awesome!
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    [QUOTE]I don't care if you're shootin up or not. I don't want to pay for you, your healthcare, or your 10 children. Get a job.
    Posted by NMac2010[/QUOTE]

    right? f those kids.
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    [QUOTE]I don't care if you're shootin up or not. I don't want to pay for you, your healthcare, or your 10 children. Get a job.
    Posted by NMac2010[/QUOTE]

    I agree with this for welfare but remember not all people on goverment assistance are on welfare my mom is on medicare and collects social security disability since she became disabled when she was 30.  She hates it and even tried to go back to work a couple of times and was just in too much pain.  Like I said I completely agree and even agree that disability collecters should be tested because if your in too much pain to work you do not need to be doing drugs.  I just wanted to clarify there are good people on government assistance.
  • juliebug1997juliebug1997 member
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    edited December 2011
    My dad is in the same boat, Bobbieleigh.

    Sheesh.
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    [QUOTE]I completely and agree and will take it step further. I think that if you are getting assistance you need to be 1.) actively looking for a job or 2.) bettering yourself, i.e going to college or a trade school. You get 6 months or a year or however long and if you can't prove that you have been doing either of the above your assistance ends. Too harsh?
    Posted by rcpm44[/QUOTE]

    I totally agree with this!
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  • crash2729crash2729 member
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    I agree. They make you prove you're looking for a job when you're on unemployment. There's nothing wrong with making sure people on food stamps are not abusing that.
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    [QUOTE]I completely and agree and will take it step further. I think that if you are getting assistance you need to be 1.) actively looking for a job or 2.) bettering yourself, i.e going to college or a trade school. You get 6 months or a year or however long and if you can't prove that you have been doing either of the above your assistance ends. Too harsh?
    Posted by rcpm44[/QUOTE]

    A lot of people who are on food stamps, etc., have jobs.  But a lot of jobs don't pay enough to keep people above the poverty line.

    I don't necessarily see any problems with testing people who are on some forms of government assistance.  But I don't really support employer based drug testing, because I feel like what you do outside of work, so long as it's not affecting your work, shouldn't matter.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Let's see if we can keep this civilized! : I agree with this for welfare but remember not all people on goverment assistance are on welfare my mom is on medicare and collects social security disability since she became disabled when she was 30.  She hates it and even tried to go back to work a couple of times and was just in too much pain.  Like I said I completely agree and even agree that disability collecters should be tested because if your in too much pain to work you do not need to be doing drugs.  I just wanted to clarify there are good people on government assistance.
    Posted by bobbileighb[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>I agree about circumstances like that. </div><div>
    </div><div>But I don't agree with welfare. I think it makes our society as a whole lazy, and dependent. </div><div>
    </div><div>And whoever made the "f the kids" comment, I really wasn't going to hash out all of my political feelings, but, since you had to go there, I'll go there too. </div><div>
    </div><div>I work hard for my money ( I did for 3 years, before I became a full time student, and will again once I get a job), and I do not think it is my responsibility to pay for other people's children because they choose to be irresponsible and have children they can't support, don't want to work, or can't hold down a job. </div><div>
    </div><div>I'm sorry that offends some people. I don't believe in a socialist society where we should spread the wealth. I just don't. I feel like I earn a living for myself, and should get to spend it how I see fit. IF I WANT to contribute to a charity or good cause, awesome, I will do so. BUT DON'T FORCE ME TO. It's my money, and I should have the right to do with it as I see fit. I didn't have those children, not my problem. </div><div>
    </div><div>ETA: And as for the people on food stamps that already have jobs, that's great. But it shouldn't be something they depend on long term. Again, it should be to help them get on their feet very short term. Then, it's up to them, not me, or the government to support their family. I just don't see it that way. So...sorry if you see that as me saying "f the kids". </div><div>
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  • bigbabyfacebigbabyface member
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    edited December 2011
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Let's see if we can keep this civilized! : A lot of people who are on food stamps, etc., have jobs.  But a lot of jobs don't pay enough to keep people above the poverty line. I don't necessarily see any problems with testing people who are on some forms of government assistance.  <strong>But I don't really support employer based drug testing, because I feel like what you do outside of work, so long as it's not affecting your work, shouldn't matter.
    </strong>Posted by nickandmerritt[/QUOTE]

    I've never done an illegal substance...ever. And i'm damn proud of that.

    BUT, I have plenty of friends, people i know who have. And honestly, I would agree with you, if i could stand behind the fact that it doesn't affect your work or life for that matter. I've never seen anyone who does drugs that acts like a normal human being should. i've seen people on and off them, and i think it takes more than a few hours before you're back in working order.

    Just sayin....also, just coming from a <span style="cursor:default;background-color:transparent;">polemicist view. </span>i think it does matter. If you're doing something illegal, your work place has the right to know. That can tear companies apart, it's bad press ect.
  • edited December 2011
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Let's see if we can keep this civilized! : right? f those kids.
    Posted by nickandmerritt[/QUOTE]

    I agree with Natalie but I also know it's not the children's fault.  I believe if you are on welfare, food stamps, and government assisted program you shouldn't be having children.  You already can't take care of the ones you have so why have more.  I think the government should be handing out birth control or condoms to those people that just keep having kids! 

    Some jobs don't pay enough to help support more than 1 kid and if you have a job and you are doing your best to support you and that one kid and need help that is great but why have another child and add to you and the governments financial burden.  I understand accidents happen and sometimes people don't plan to get pregnant but I think that if there was some kind of "consequence" for having another baby when all your inocme and benefits come from the government I think we'd have less little ones running around the projects and in shelters.

    Have you seen the movie Idocracy (sp?) ?  It was a stupid movie IMO and I want those 2 hours back but it makes a good point.  The more kids people living on the government have the more we all suffer.
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