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Just whose wedding is it?!??...

I am having major problems with my mother & aunt.  Everything I have said that I wanted has been met with an, "Oh no!"
There are two major problems... The first being that they do not understand the degree of formality I am wanting for the wedding.  The second being that they are opposed to incorporating my fiance's heritage.  (He is from India.)
The issues today have been about food and engagement photos.  I was trying to set up a tasting with an Indian restraint that my fiance and I enjoy.  The chef there has been trained in all sorts of foods from around the world and said she could do a non-spicy chicken dish for my family to have in addition to the Indian food we were planning.  I was arranging the tasting so they could approve the "american" portion of the menu.  They asked what would be served and I told them that I had already removed some more formal items that I knew they would not enjoy (dill salmon, etc.) and told them about some rosemary chicken and basil chicken options.  These are basic, but dishes that I feel can be eaten in a formal setting.  And for the _____00000th time, they bring up a barbecue restaurant that caters events at my cousin's high school.  I enjoy all types of cuisine except barbecue.  I HATE BARBECUE!  In addition to my hatred for the cuisine (which they should know about because every year for my birthday they try to serve it and I have to once again tell them that I hate it.), our ceremony & reception is at a former movie theater in the evening.  I am going for a formal affair.  The food is not the only example of when their sense of formality is non-existent.  My aunt tells me that she is who she is and will not pretend to be someone she's not.  I am only asking for one formal night!  I realize I cannot turn their rednecks a different color, but can't they be formal for one night?!??
For our engagement photos, I purchased an expensive, designer sari.  When I told them of my plan to wear it in the photos, they were (to say the least) no pleased.  They want me to wear "normal" clothes.  They have plenty of pictures of me in american dress.  I don't see what is wrong with me showing appreciation for my fiance's heritage by dressing in their style of clothing.  At the beginning of my planning, I had wanted to arrive to the wedding in a western wedding dress and leave in a sari.  They already vetoed that and I said I would not do that.
Everything I have said I wanted - dress, cake, food, etc to any nod to my future husband's heritage has been met with an "oh no!'  My mother has already pulled out the "I'm paying for it!" card.  After I had only been engaged for a few weeks, she said she was feeling "left out."  At that point, only two decisions had been made and she was involved in both of them.  Right now she is saying that she'll just show up as a guest.  When I point out that they want me to do things how they want them or they don't want to be involved at all, they say they are trying to reach a compromise.  The way I see it, I have done nothing but compromise!

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  • TheCranberryTheCranberry member
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    edited December 2011
    It sucks that you are going through this, especially since you are trying to incorporate traditions from your FI's culture.  Can you and your FI pay for your own wedding so that you don't need to listen to them?  If not, can you talk to your mom about how it's offensive and hurtful that she is so closed  minded about representing your FI's culture?  It's his wedding too.

    I know many people think that whoever pays gets the final say, but I think it's worth it to talk to her.  If she ends up putting her foot down, then you will will probably just have to pay for it yourselves anyway.
  • AutumnFairAutumnFair member
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    edited December 2011
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    [QUOTE]I am having major problems with my mother & aunt.  Everything I have said that I wanted has been met with an, "Oh no!" There are two major problems... The first being that they do not understand the degree of formality I am wanting for the wedding.  The second being that they are opposed to incorporating my fiance's heritage.  (He is from India.) The issues today have been about food and engagement photos.  I was trying to set up a tasting with an Indian restraint that my fiance and I enjoy.  The chef there has been trained in all sorts of foods from around the world and said she could do a non-spicy chicken dish for my family to have in addition to the Indian food we were planning.  I was arranging the tasting so they could approve the "american" portion of the menu.  They asked what would be served and I told them that I had already removed some more formal items that I knew they would not enjoy (dill salmon, etc.) and told them about some rosemary chicken and basil chicken options.  These are basic, but dishes that I feel can be eaten in a formal setting.  And for the _____00000th time, they bring up a barbecue restaurant that caters events at my cousin's high school.  I enjoy all types of cuisine except barbecue.  I HATE BARBECUE!  In addition to my hatred for the cuisine (which they should know about because every year for my birthday they try to serve it and I have to once again tell them that I hate it.), our ceremony & reception is at a former movie theater in the evening.  I am going for a formal affair.  The food is not the only example of when their sense of formality is non-existent.  My aunt tells me that she is who she is and will not pretend to be someone she's not.  I am only asking for one formal night!  I realize I cannot turn their rednecks a different color, but can't they be formal for one night?!?? For our engagement photos, I purchased an expensive, designer sari.  When I told them of my plan to wear it in the photos, they were (to say the least) no pleased.  They want me to wear "normal" clothes.  They have plenty of pictures of me in american dress.  I don't see what is wrong with me showing appreciation for my fiance's heritage by dressing in their style of clothing.  At the beginning of my planning, I had wanted to arrive to the wedding in a western wedding dress and leave in a sari.  They already vetoed that and I said I would not do that. Everything I have said I wanted - dress, cake, food, etc to any nod to my future husband's heritage has been met with an "oh no!'  My mother has already pulled out the "I'm paying for it!" card.  After I had only been engaged for a few weeks, she said she was feeling "left out."  At that point, only two decisions had been made and she was involved in both of them.  Right now she is saying that she'll just show up as a guest.  When I point out that they want me to do things how they want them or they don't want to be involved at all, they say they are trying to reach a compromise.  The way I see it, I have done nothing but compromise!
    Posted by 2011Bubbly[/QUOTE]

    <div>Basically, if you want your mom's money your going to have to keep with the compromising and the headaches of her disagreeing with you. You already heard from your mother the "I'm paying" card, and she will continue to use that card whenever she is displeased by something. The only suggestion to give you is to save up for a wedding you can afford, other than that you are pretty much stuck. It's great that you want to incorporate a lot of your FI's heritage into your wedding but it seems that your mom isn't as open and as long as she is paying she gets a say on where her money is going.</div>
  • tldhtldh member
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    edited December 2011
    Sorry.  I gave up trying to read this one.  Anyone have CNs?
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    edited December 2011
    To answer the question in your title, if your mom is paying, it's her party.  Ideally she'll let you take charge of the details, but that doesn't always happen.  She's made it clear that her money means her rules, so you'll either have to accept both or accept neither.  It sucks, but such is life.
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  • edited December 2011

    So.. it's ok for her to be unsophisticated and disrespectful of my fiance's heritage because she's paying for it??!??...

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  • trix1223trix1223 member
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    edited December 2011
    Well, it's never okay to be disrespectful about someone's heritage, but I think you're missing the point.  Her money:  she gets to decide how it's spent.

    If you want your FI's heritage included:  wearing a sari, for instance, pay for the sari yourself.  If you want Indian food:  pay for the food yourself.

    If you want control over the wedding, pay for it yourself.  It's your wedding, but it's your mom's party because she has the financial stake in it.  Would it be better if she didn't hold the $$ over your head?  Of course it would.

    But now that you know that she's going to, you have two options:

    #1)  Take the money with the strings that are attached.

    #2)  Tell your mom you appreciate her offer to pay for your wedding, but you and your FI will be paying for it yourselves.  Then start saving your money.
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  • edited December 2011
    I'm not even sure that she's the one paying for it.. but that's a whole other topic.........
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  • TheCranberryTheCranberry member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_moms-maids_just-wedding?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:357Discussion:f8eea326-540c-4cc8-9e48-b79a7dd00659Post:a83e41ad-c313-4937-8f67-7b4b91adc1d2">Re: Just whose wedding is it?!??...</a>:
    [QUOTE]Sorry.  I gave up trying to read this one.  Anyone have CNs?
    Posted by tldh[/QUOTE]

    OP's FI is Indian, and they want to incorporate elements of his hertiage into the wedding (eg: Indian food (with some Americanized options for those who may not like it), she wears a sari, etc).   Her mother and aunt say no to all of this, and the mother has said that since she's paying, it's up to her.  That's basically it.


    And no, OP, your mother shouldn't be insenstive to your FI's heritage just because she's paying.  That doesn't change the fact that if she doesn't agree with what you're doing she may pull her money.  Do you think that if you talk to her about this she will change her stance?  Does she know that you think she's being insensitive?
  • zitiqueenzitiqueen member
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    edited December 2011
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    [QUOTE]I'm not even sure that she's the one paying for it.. but that's a whole other topic.........
    Posted by 2011Bubbly[/QUOTE]

    But you do know that <u>you're</u> not the one paying for it, so there you go.
  • zitiqueenzitiqueen member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_moms-maids_just-wedding?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:357Discussion:f8eea326-540c-4cc8-9e48-b79a7dd00659Post:e4618dda-a0e8-4fdd-850b-a5ae3f820d47">Re: Just whose wedding is it?!??...</a>:
    [QUOTE]So.. it's ok for her to be unsophisticated and disrespectful of my fiance's heritage because she's paying for it??!??...
    Posted by 2011Bubbly[/QUOTE]
  • edited December 2011
    Clarification - the sari is for engagement photos only... I have already "compromised" - ie did what my mother wanted - and said I will not wear it at the actual wedding...
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  • tldhtldh member
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    edited December 2011
    Mom pays = Mom calls the shots.

    If she is this disrespectful regarding your FI's heritage now though (and how in the world your aunt gets a say is beyond me), I would worry more about how she is going to treat your husband or your children.  Her attitude should be a big red flag here and I really think you need to pay for your own wedding.  I also think you need to have a heart to heart with her because the day may come that you have to choose between your husband and your mom if you don't get whatever is underlying all of this out in the open.
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  • omalleyj20omalleyj20 member
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    edited December 2011
    I think that just because you're mom is paying doesn't mean that you can't talk to her about this and express how you're really feeling. In a perfect world, I feel like parents should offer to pay for your wedding to help you have a wedding you've dreamed of, not just to be able to tell you what to do. If you're mom was buying your wedding dress and wanted you to wear a black one, does that mean you HAVE to do it? No, just like she shouldn't demand what else has to be done either. Just explain to her how much you appreciate all the help she is giving you but obviously would like the wedding to represent you. I understand in today's world, it's hard to have enough money to pay for a wedding, which is why you definitely should compromise on some things she wants but you're mom has to compromise with you also. She is supposed to be throwing you this party to honor you and your husband which is why I believe it should represent who you two are.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_moms-maids_just-wedding?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:357Discussion:f8eea326-540c-4cc8-9e48-b79a7dd00659Post:82541618-a334-431e-802b-4dd3961c32fd">Re: Just whose wedding is it?!??...</a>:
    [QUOTE]Well, it's never okay to be disrespectful about someone's heritage, but I think you're missing the point.  Her money:  she gets to decide how it's spent. If you want your FI's heritage included:  wearing a sari, for instance, pay for the sari yourself.  If you want Indian food:  pay for the food yourself. If you want control over the wedding, pay for it yourself.  It's your wedding, but it's your mom's party because she has the financial stake in it.  Would it be better if she didn't hold the $$ over your head?  Of course it would. But now that you know that she's going to, you have two options: #1)  Take the money with the strings that are attached. #2)  Tell you mom you appreciate her offer to pay for your wedding, but you and your FI will be paying for it yourselves.  Then start saving your money.
    Posted by trix1223[/QUOTE]

    Trix is right.  There are parents who pay and don't try to control, but there are also some like yours.  So, you have the two options.

    And no, it's not ok for her to be disrespectful about your husbands heritage.  That being said...you really need to think about that if you are planning to have children.  Find a way to deal with her now...
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  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_moms-maids_just-wedding?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:357Discussion:f8eea326-540c-4cc8-9e48-b79a7dd00659Post:38414a6b-589b-452d-b477-eb413437fba8">Re: Just whose wedding is it?!??...</a>:
    [QUOTE]I think that just because you're mom is paying doesn't mean that you can't talk to her about this and express how you're really feeling. In a perfect world, I feel like parents should offer to pay for your wedding to help you have a wedding you've dreamed of, not just to be able to tell you what to do. If you're mom was buying your wedding dress and wanted you to wear a black one, does that mean you HAVE to do it? No, just like she shouldn't demand what else has to be done either. Just explain to her how much you appreciate all the help she is giving you but obviously would like the wedding to represent you. I understand in today's world, it's hard to have enough money to pay for a wedding, which is why you definitely should compromise on some things she wants but you're mom has to compromise with you also. She is supposed to be throwing you this party to honor you and your husband which is why I believe it should represent who you two are.
    Posted by omalleyj20[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>This. Oh, and I am not sure why you wont wear the Sari at your wedding as well. This seems like something she would have no choice in because you paid for it, and it is your wedding. Giving in with details like this just prove that her complaints will change your mind, therefore, be prepared for more opposition.

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  • Habs2HartHabs2Hart member
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    edited December 2011
    If you paid for the sari, wear it at the wedding too.  Maybe have the ceremony in a white dress and then wear the sari to the reception.  What is she going to do?  lodge a protest.  If you have to, don't tell her you are changing. 
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  • edited December 2011
    Sounds like the cultural differences between your mom / aunt and your FI are pretty big, unless I'm misreading.  You may want to sit down with them and just discuss with them the choices you're making culturally by marrying this wonderful fellow!  They may need more time with him to appreciate the cultural differences.  Also -- I would NOT just try to sweep it under the rug and deceitfully put the Sari on but give your mom the impression that you're not?  Lying,  hello... not a great thing for any relationship, especially with someone who may be your children's grandmother one day.  

    You may end up having to pay for more things for your wedding and take over some of the expenses so that you have more say in what happens for each of those aspects.  I've been blessed with a mom and dad who are listening to my vision... i did get cornered into a more formal wedding that I originally wanted, since I was going for modern, clean, semi-formal, but that's what they have always wanted for me, and as I'm they're only daughter, the wedding is not just a celebration of my and my fiancee's wedding... it's a family reunion, a family gathering, a family meeting, a time to celebrate with God, a time to celebrate with friends... and sometimes remembering to honor your parents through the process.

    You'll find your answer within yourself, but I wanted to add my 2 cents in.  Good luck with whatever you decide to do! 
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  • FutureDondadaFutureDondada member
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    edited December 2011
    Yikes. Definitely a rough one. Sorry you're going through it. My mom had some issues with things I wanted and how involved she was. I got lucky. I was able to include her but told her that if she was going to hang the money over my head then I would be doing a JP and my honeymoon. I very calmly and politely explained to her how I felt...Gma paid for moms wedding, mom for mine, and Ill pay for my daughters wedding...but because we all offered. my mother offered to pay for MY wedding not for me to get married HER way. At no point did I ever feel I was owed a free ride through my wedding, she offered and I wouldn't allow her to waste her money on a wedding that I was going to be unhappy with and in the end regret having all together.

    With that being said, be prepared to pay for it yourself. I have a very understanding mother (shes also my best friend) and while we have very opposite tastes in a lot of things, she didn't want me to be unhappy with my wedding just as she didnt want to be unhappy in hers.

    I agree with the PPs who said that if there are certain things you specifically want...sari, food, etc...pay yourself to avoid all conflict. And I also don't understand how your aunt plays a part in this. If the money isnt hers I would politely (b/c youre already having mom issues...b/c I would be blunt and mean myself) tell her that her opinion means jacksht and she needs to stay out of it
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  • edited December 2011
    talk to her about it. you can't make your family any less of who they are... but remind her that you can't force FI's family to be any less indian! it's going to be really hard, but you need to stand your ground and make sure you have the wedding that you and FI want. your mom had her wedding. this one is yours.
    what i would really be worried about though, is if theres something more to it. if she doesn't like him and doesn't want you to marry him, she may not say it to you but trust me she's going to try to make it as difficult for you as she can. talk to her about it.

    also, maybe to help appease her... maybe you could do food that your family likes for the RD? obviously not bbq, since you hate it, but something they like and are comfortable with. and maybe wear the white dress for the ceremony and then a sari for the reception, and maybe having two outfits for engagement pictures. try to include a little bit of both traditions. thats what a wedding should be- a fusing of two families, and their customs and traditions.
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  • edited December 2011
    1. It's one thing for your mom to say that no to a sari if you're asking her to buy one for you.  It's another thing if you buy a sari or a choli to wear at the reception, say, and she says that if you do that, she won't pay for anything.  Is it more the former or the latter?

    2.  I nth that you need to think long and hard about your relationship with your mom in light of this behavior.  If you and FI have kids, is she going to try to veto Indian names or dressing them in Indian clothing or taking them to Indian dance classes?  Is she opposed to an Indian-style wedding/a wedding with Indian touches or is she opposed to your FI's culture?

    3.  As far as food goes, can you do some kind of upscale comfort food for your family?  Mac'n'cheese but the fancy kind, mashed potato bar, maybe one BBQ dish but served in a funky way, you get the idea.

    4.  Come over to the South Asian weddings board, there's lots of us there who would love to help you try to incorporate your FI's heritage into your wedding and your life!
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  • edited December 2011
    Thank you all for your suggestions and help. 

    Recent developments have further complicated the "who's paying?" aspect.  So that is TBD.

    To answer those who asked why my aunt was involved, she has two boys and she and my mother are very close and kinda mother as a team.  She has always been involved in my life.

    My family, aside from my ultra-chistian father who has stayed fairly silent on the matter, has been very supportive of my fiance's relationship.  When my fiance proposed I had just been on the phone with my mother ending the conversation with her saying, "Well, he needs to propose."  I do not think that their reactions are coming out of hatred, but rather ignorance.  I hope to work to remedy this.

    I will definately check out the South Asian board.

    Thank you...
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