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aunts pushing for their daughters to be BM

I'm from India. Here the bride pays for BM's dresses, shoes, hair, the works, yeah also the bachelorette party. So I have a MatronOH, MOH, but the BM's aren't chosen yet. so two of my aunts had asked me quite a few years ago to have their daughters as BM's when i get married. I didnt commit. one of them is sister of MOH. Now here's the thing I dont really have anyone else in mind but these two dont really fit into my vision (if you know what I mean).
 
Both are students, one is super skinny n tall, has very poor body posture (stoops with tummy sticking out), mmm not many dresses would flatter her figure, and has been BM for many of my relative's weddings (courtesy her pushy mom) 
The MOH's sister has a serious BO problem. I once drove with only her in my car to a wedding with the ac on full blast, but i could still smell the odor, this after 15 mins of her having a bath n yes she was wearing perfume. I did speak to her sister about it but she told me that her sister doesnt take personal grooming seriously, plus she wont wear halter or sleeveless for that matter, n no she doesnt keep her underarms groomed. And also she's dark skinned so she's too particular about the color she wears. I have chosen deep brown n gold accents as my theme colors but she wont wear anything dark.  
Her mother played the 'my younger daughter has never been BM' card. MOH n sis live in another state. MOH will make it, but the sis will still have college, so may not be able to make it for the pre wedding festivities.  

Both me n my fiance r mmmm 'smell sensitive' LOL.

The 2 aunts believe that just coz they asked, their daughters automatically are chosen to be BM. I do have nieces the same age as the cousins, that I'd rather ask altho I'm not close to them.

Question is do I and how to let my aunts down without being rude? I feel guilty for not wanting them, but I think I will feel worse with the things i'd have to deal with if I do hav them as BM.

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  • Reread what you just wrote.  Those are horrible things to say about people.  Keeping someone out of the WP just because of her looks is horribly, horribly shallow.  I hope you don't really mean any of that.  None of that should have any bearing on your decision.

    Attending pre-wedding parties is not mandatory for a BM or anyone else.  It's of course disappointing if they can't make it but certainly not a crime.

    If you don't want your cousins in the wedding for a real reason (i.e. you're just not close) then don't ask them.  If Aunt Sue asks, change the subject.  But I want you to re-evaluate how you view people with regard to the wedding.  Your attitude is very ugly and superficial right now, and I would hate for it to come back to haunt you.
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    [QUOTE]I'm from India. Here the bride pays for BM's dresses, shoes, hair, the works, yeah also the bachelorette party. So I have a MatronOH, MOH, but the BM's aren't chosen yet. so two of my aunts had asked me quite a few years ago to have their daughters as BM's when i get married. I didnt commit. one of them is sister of MOH. Now here's the thing I dont really have anyone else in mind but these two dont really fit into my vision (if you know what I mean).   Both are students, one is super skinny n tall, has very poor body posture (stoops with tummy sticking out), mmm not many dresses would flatter her figure, and has been BM for many of my relative's weddings (courtesy her pushy mom)  The MOH's sister has a serious BO problem. I once drove with only her in my car to a wedding with the ac on full blast, but i could still smell the odor, this after 15 mins of her having a bath n yes she was wearing perfume. I did speak to her sister about it but she told me that her sister doesnt take personal grooming seriously, plus she wont wear halter or sleeveless for that matter, n no she doesnt keep her underarms groomed. And also she's dark skinned so she's too particular about the color she wears. I have chosen deep brown n gold accents as my theme colors but she wont wear anything dark.   Her mother played the 'my younger daughter has never been BM' card. MOH n sis live in another state. MOH will make it, but the sis will still have college, so may not be able to make it for the pre wedding festivities.   Both me n my fiance r mmmm 'smell sensitive' LOL. The 2 aunts believe that just coz they asked, their daughters automatically are chosen to be BM. I do have nieces the same age as the cousins, that I'd rather ask altho I'm not close to them. Question is do I and how to let my aunts down without being rude? I feel guilty for not wanting them, but I think I will feel worse with the things i'd have to deal with if I do hav them as BM.
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    [QUOTE]I'm from India. Here the bride pays for BM's dresses, shoes, hair, the works, yeah also the bachelorette party. So I have a MatronOH, MOH, but the BM's aren't chosen yet. so two of my aunts had asked me quite a few years ago to have their daughters as BM's when i get married. I didnt commit. one of them is sister of MOH. Now here's the thing I dont really have anyone else in mind but these two dont really fit into my vision (if you know what I mean).   Both are students, <strong>one is super skinny n tall, has very poor body posture (stoops with tummy sticking out), mmm not many dresses would flatter her figure</strong>, and has been BM for many of my relative's weddings (courtesy her pushy mom)  <strong>The MOH's sister has a serious BO problem</strong>. I once drove with only her in my car to a wedding with the ac on full blast, but i could still smell the odor, this after 15 mins of her having a bath n yes she was wearing perfume. I did speak to her sister about it but she told me that her sister doesnt take personal grooming seriously, plus she wont wear halter or sleeveless for that matter, n <strong>no she doesnt keep her underarms groomed. And also she's dark skinned so she's too particular about the color she wears</strong>. I have chosen deep brown n gold accents as my theme colors but she wont wear anything dark.   Her mother played the 'my younger daughter has never been BM' card. MOH n sis live in another state. MOH will make it, but the sis will still have college, so may not be able to make it for the pre wedding festivities.   Both me n my fiance r mmmm 'smell sensitive' LOL. The 2 aunts believe that just coz they asked, their daughters automatically are chosen to be BM. I do have nieces the same age as the cousins, that I'd rather ask altho I'm not close to them. Question is do I and how to let my aunts down without being rude? I feel guilty for not wanting them, but I think I will feel worse with the things i'd have to deal with if I do hav them as BM.
    Posted by orlterry[/QUOTE]

    Oh this HAS to be a joke.

    On the slight chance it's not, all I'm going to say is that while no one should pressure you to put people in the WP (and if they do, you should just say that you've already chosen your WP members and change the subject), your reasons for excluding these girls are some of the most shallow, unimportant, just flat-out DUMB excuses I've ever heard.
  • I have seen many shallow things but this is probably the worst.  I was with you until the train started to derail at the last sentence of paragraph 1.
  • I wouldn't chose anyone in place of them. Just stick with what you have.  If the aunts asked years ago just leave it alone and plan without them. If they come to you and ask now then just say "I'm sorry we have already chosen our wedding party. We will be honored to have them as guests." Change the Subject.
     
    I call MUD on the "I'm from India and we do .....here." Why is your bio placing you in New Orleans?
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  • Suz, their traditions tend to carry over to the U.S. and family dynamics are much different than those of many families who have been in the U.S. for generations.  DH was not raised in his mother's culture but all of a sudden we were expected to follow that culture when we started planning.
  • Oh gosh. I seriously hope this is MUD.

    If not, well, you are not obligated to have anyone in your WP. The people you should have in your WP are your nearest and dearest friends/family. If you are very close to these cousins, then ask them. If you are not, then don't. It sounds like you are not close, so just leave your WP at two people only. If your aunts ask, just say that you have already picked your WP. And just in case this is an issue, just because you only have two people on your side doesn't mean that your FI can only have two. Your sides don't need to be even and he can have whatever number on his side as he sees fit.
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  • Ditto gotta.  DH is from Lebanon and Lebanese traditions were a very big deal when we got married, even though they've lived here for nearly 20 years.  They often refer to it as "here" even when referring to the old country.
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  • Gotta - yeah I just thought she was talking about having the wedding in India because she kept saying here, but then I saw she was in New Orleans. I was just wondering where the wedding was. The whole thing sounds like MUD though.
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  • Guys I'm sorry I didnt mean to be shallow or insensitive. I do however see how you could get that idea from my post. I dont mean to indiscriminate, they are after all my cousins. I have spoken to them about those issues not related to my getting married or having them as my BMs. It just hasnt worked.  
    In all sincerity I'm just trying to get an idea as to wht to do in this situation. I live in a society where if an 'elder' asks you shouldn't say no. I'm doing all the planning myself since my fiance is working abroad. I'm getting married in another state. I havent even started planning except for booking the hall, n the caterer. I have 4 months to go.
    I'm not trying to justify. I apologize for offending your sensibilities.
  • Well I don't understand the culture but if the 'elder' asks and you shouldn't say no then maybe you should just ask them; however I would bring up the fact that maybe I couldn't afford to do the traditional things like pay for the BM dress, hair, makeup, etc. Honestly, I would just do everything in my power to avoid that aunt from now until December.
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  • No I'm not in New orleans, I am very much in India. My fiance is in New orleans. I entered that coz theknot wouldnt accept india when I registered online.
  • Made up drama.

    The reason your post sounds so shallow is that rather than choosing your BMs based on how close to you they are as friends/family members, you are excluding cousins based on posture, hygeine, and what type of dress you can get them to wear.
  • oh! Well I cant stop anyone form thinking this is MUD! :) It's ok guys.
    A lil bit more explanation and I'll leave it at tht. Here traditionally mostly BM's and GM's are chosen by next in line to get married in the family according to age, or unmarried friends. Married people cannot be included in the WP. So that eliminates 98% of my friends. The Matron of Honour is an "on hold", (to see how the family n to be family responds). MOH is next in line to be married according to age.
    And after the Nuptials BM's usually ride in the Wedding car, it's considered important to do that (IDK why).
    Dresses have to be custom made, coz we dont have bridal salons like you do there. So patterns have to be decided, fabric needs to be purchased, measurements to be taken, etc etc.
    Thanks for your time. :)
  • Well, if your culture more or less requires that you honor your aunt, I guess I'd say yes. If you can't afford it, then tell your aunt that and see what she says. Whatever is the path of least resistance is usually best with family - no point creating some big feud over this unless you have good reason (which you don't).

    As far as the first cousin goes, what does she usually wear? Can you do something in a similar style for her BM dress? Not all the girls have to have matching dresses, so don't put her in something unflattering just because it's your wedding day. And if she doesn't look good in general (I'm sorry, I know that's harsh but let's be honest, not everyone's a super model) then I fail to see what the problem is - she'll feel as comfortable and look the same as she usually does. BMs aren't Barbies there to add to the overall beauty of the day.

    With your smelly cousin, I think someone needs to talk to her. NOT about your wedding or even because of your wedding but because she should know that her hygiene is causing problems - you can't be the only one who's noticed it, and that's something that could affect her social and professional life. It sounds like a really uncomfortable conversation, so maybe her sister or mom could soften the blow.
  • The MOH is fine with whatever. Her sis is the one with the BO problem. I dont have a problem with having different styles, thing is she's concious about being dark, and has been very picky about colours, she likes lighter colours, whereas the colour i chose is dark brown, that is a no go for her.  I cant change the colours for her. A lot of stuff has already been ordered. And yes the BO was noticed by my fiance too, he mentioned it, altho not in context with the wedding as such. It is a very strong odor, trust me. I've spoken to MOH about it, but she said her sis is just way too stuck up in her ways and not willing to listen.
    The first cousin doesn't have a problem wearing any style or colour either. She's just painfully skinny, and even custom made clothes hang off her body. And given her posture......
    LOL I wasnt thinking of barbie lookalikes for BM. I'm 5'3, MOH is 5', Matron OH is 5'.
     Anyway, Thanks for taking the time n effort to reply. I think I'll work out something, or shift the blame on my fiance that he wants only 4 people in the WP. He'll go with it. :)

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    I asked the same thing :D
    Apparently it's 'MADE UP DRAMA". Does that even make sense btw?
  • @emilyinchile,
    ps, I can definitely afford it. But the costs keeps building up.

    Btw, I'm having 700 guests btw, and only about 50 truly matter to me, 250 from my fiance's side, 400 my mom's guests and family. We havent even taken into consideration my dad's friends, coz he has been too busy to make a list.

    Anyone think that is MUD? If you do, you should google indian weddings.
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    [QUOTE]The MOH is fine with whatever. Her sis is the one with the BO problem. I dont have a problem with having different styles, <strong>thing is she's concious about being dark, and has been very picky about colours, she likes lighter colours, whereas the colour i chose is dark brown, that is a no go for her</strong>.  I cant change the colours for her. A lot of stuff has already been ordered. And yes the BO was noticed by my fiance too, he mentioned it, altho not in context with the wedding as such. It is a very strong odor, trust me. I've spoken to MOH about it, but she said her sis is just way too stuck up in her ways and not willing to listen. <strong>The first cousin doesn't have a problem wearing any style or colour either. She's just painfully skinny, and even custom made clothes hang off her body. And given her posture......</strong> LOL I wasnt thinking of barbie lookalikes for BM. I'm 5'3, MOH is 5', Matron OH is 5'.  Anyway, Thanks for taking the time n effort to reply. I think I'll work out something, or shift the blame on my fiance that he wants only 4 people in the WP. He'll go with it. :)
    Posted by orlterry[/QUOTE]

    I think the bride gets to dictate the dress color, honestly, so I would say that if she doesn't want to wear that color then she is choosing not to be a BM.

    But I still don't get why the second bolded part is a problem. Who cares if your cousin isn't going to look amazing in the dress? Clearly this is something that must happen to her all the time, so why do you care if she doesn't? That was my "Barbie" point - not that you'd all be tall and blonde but that the idea is to have the closest people to you (in your culture perhaps within certain restrictions) rather than focusing on whether they're going to make a pretty back-drop for your photos.
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    [QUOTE]I'm from India. Here the bride pays for BM's dresses, shoes, hair, the works, yeah also the bachelorette party. So I have a MatronOH, MOH, but the BM's aren't chosen yet. so two of my aunts had asked me quite a few years ago to have their daughters as BM's when i get married. I didnt commit. one of them is sister of MOH. Now here's the thing I dont really have anyone else in mind but these two dont really fit into my vision (if you know what I mean).   Both are students, one is super skinny<strong> n</strong> tall, has very poor body posture (stoops with tummy sticking out), mmm not many dresses would flatter her figure, and has been BM for many of my relative's weddings (courtesy her pushy mom)  The MOH's sister has a serious BO problem. I once drove with only her in my car to a wedding with the ac on full blast, but i could still smell the odor, this after 15 mins of her having a bath <strong>n</strong> yes she was wearing perfume. I did speak to her sister about it but she told me that her sister doesnt take personal grooming seriously, plus she wont wear halter or sleeveless for that matter, <strong>n</strong> no she doesnt keep her underarms groomed. And also she's dark skinned so she's too particular about the color she wears. I have chosen deep brown <strong>n </strong>gold accents as my theme colors but she wont wear anything dark.   Her mother played the 'my younger daughter has never been BM' card. MOH <strong>n</strong> sis live in another state. MOH will make it, but the sis will still have college, so may not be able to make it for the pre wedding festivities.   Both me<strong> n </strong>my fiance <strong>r</strong> mmmm 'smell sensitive' LOL. The 2 aunts believe that just coz they asked, their daughters automatically are chosen to be BM. I do have nieces the same age as the cousins, that I'd rather ask altho I'm not close to them. Question is do I and how to let my aunts down without being rude? I feel guilty for not wanting them, but I think I will feel worse with the things i'd have to deal with if I do hav them as BM.
    Posted by orlterry[/QUOTE]

    AND. Not 'n' and ARE not 'r.' Holy smokes, I could barely figure out what you were trying to say.  I wish I hadn't figured it out, because it sounds horribly shallow and mean.

    Pick whoever you want for your wedding party, either the traditions matter to you or they don't.  And if one of the bridesmaids doesn't like the color you've selected for the dresses, she can pass on being in the wedding party.

    The girl with the terrible BO could be suffering from a medical condition, like trimethylaminuria.  Or maybe she needs to shave her armpits. 
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  • AND. Not 'n' and ARE not 'r.'

    @hnybnchs101,   tnks 4 d eng lsn............ NT.   N whtevr.

    I'm from India, doesn't mean I'm an illiterate. 

    You definitely understood everything I wrote. And you absolutely meant to beliitle me. Who's being horiibly shallow and mean?

    Oh, you mean never ever, not even once if your life have you been shallow, mean, insensitive? Sorry, I didn't know there were perfect people in this world.
     
    I may sound shallow and mean, but I am not. I was trying to get perspective from the other side of the world.
    But I see from the post's above that the cultural differences are vast.

    And FYI,
    I did apologize in one of my post's above.
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    [QUOTE]AND. Not 'n' and ARE not 'r.' @hnybnchs101,   tnks 4 d eng lsn............ NT.   N whtevr. I'm from India, doesn't mean I'm an illiterate.  You definitely understood everything I wrote. And you absolutely meant to beliitle me. Who's being horiibly shallow and mean? <strong>Oh, you mean never ever, not even once if your life have you been shallow, mean, insensitive? Sorry, I didn't know there were perfect people in this world.   I may sound shallow and mean, but I am not.</strong> I was trying to get perspective from the other side of the world. But I see from the post's above that the cultural differences are vast. And FYI, I did apologize in one of my post's above.
    Posted by orlterry[/QUOTE]

    You totally contradicted yourself.  First you said, "Oh, you mean never ever, not even once in your life you have been shallow, mean, insensitive" therefore indicating that you in fact admitted of being shallow, mean and insensitive.. than you said "I may seem shallow and mean, but I am not".

    Okay if you seem shallow and mean, chances are, you ARE shallow and mean
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    [QUOTE]AND. Not 'n' and ARE not 'r.' @hnybnchs101,   tnks 4 d eng lsn............ NT.   N whtevr. I'm from India, doesn't mean I'm an illiterate.  You definitely understood everything I wrote. And you absolutely meant to beliitle me. Who's being horiibly shallow and mean? Oh, you mean never ever, not even once if your life have you been shallow, mean, insensitive? Sorry, I didn't know there were perfect people in this world.   I may sound shallow and mean, but I am not. I was trying to get perspective from the other side of the world. But I see from the post's above that the cultural differences are vast. And FYI, I did apologize in one of my post's above.
    Posted by orlterry[/QUOTE]


    I didn't mean to belittle you, but your spelling was extremely distracting.  My comment was less about your command of the English language and more about your propensity to type like a teenager writing a text message.

    I'm glad to hear you're not illiterate, so you can see that I said that your post SOUNDS shallow, not that you ARE shallow, calm down.  I do think it is shallow to choose bridesmaids based on how they look or smell, even if you apologize for it later.

    I was also standing up for your right to choose whatever fabric you want for your bridesmaids, even if one of them doesn't like it.  I don't have an opinion on who you should or shouldn't pick for your bridal party because I don't know how important it is for you to appease your family.  But whoever you do choose should be willing to wear whatever dress you pick out.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: aunts pushing for their daughters to be BM : I didn't mean to belittle you, <strong>but your spelling was extremely distracting</strong>.  <strong>My comment was less about your command of the English language and more about your propensity to type like a teenager writing a text message.</strong> I'm glad to hear you're not illiterate, so you can see that I said that your post SOUNDS shallow, not that you ARE shallow, calm down.  I do think it is shallow to choose bridesmaids based on how they look or smell, even if you apologize for it later. I was also standing up for your right to choose whatever fabric you want for your bridesmaids, even if one of them doesn't like it.  I don't have an opinion on who you should or shouldn't pick for your bridal party because I don't know how important it is for you to appease your family.  But whoever you do choose should be willing to wear whatever dress you pick out.
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    Didnt know Knot posters discriminated against people who 'cant spell right, and type like teenagers'. God forbid they havent had an education. They shouldn't be posting on Knot boards.
    I hear ya!! 
    I rest my case.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: aunts pushing for their daughters to be BM : You totally contradicted yourself.  First you said, "Oh, you mean never ever, not even once in your life you have been shallow, mean, insensitive" therefore indicating that you in fact admitted of being shallow, mean and insensitive.. than you said "I may seem shallow and mean, but I am not". Okay if you seem shallow and mean, chances are, you ARE shallow and mean
    Posted by PeonyPrincesskdd[/QUOTE]

    Yes, I admit it, I have been shallow and mean and insensitive. I didn't mean to. I had it pointed out to me. I did apologize and I apologize yet again. Everyone has their moments of insanity.  
    But I'm sure you haven't. Because you are such an angel.

    And yet there you are, Condemning! Hope it made you feel good about yourself.
    Have a great life.
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