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Dilema (kinda long)

My FI and I asked a friend of ours to move in with us back in June. She's a single parent (young) and was living with her parents. Her father is an alcoholic and beats up on her mom. She didnt want her daughter (now 2) raised around that.  We understood and said she could move into our spare bedroom until she got her money together to get her own place. Her daughter is the same age as our son and since the father of her child passed, My FI has taken on the "uncle" roll with her.  Also we could help eachother out.  It all started fine until one night she had a guy stay over.  Now, we didnt mind that. She's an adult and is paying rent . The problems were 1- she put her daughter in my son's room on the floor so this guy could spend the night.  2- her daughter woke up screaming and crying cause she's used to sleeping with her mom. That woke my son up which woke me up. She's in the room sleeping (we didnot know the guy was in the room at this time. We didnt even know he was in the HOUSE) I realized that when i looked out the window to see if her car was there cause i was trying to figure out why her daughter was in my son's room on the floor to begin with. I see his car, put 2 and 2 together and came up pissed.   i get both kids quieted down and back to sleep (after knocking on her door and getting no response)   the following morning, My FI gets up with the kids (she and the guy are still in the bedroom)  as he is coming upstairs to tell me that he is going to the store to get eggs for breakfast, he hears the 2 of them having sex.  NOT GOOD. 
After the guy leaves, i talk to her and tell her that i dont appreciate her putting her child in my son's room on the floor,  I dont appreciate having to get up with both kids cause her's woke up and woke mine up. I also informed her that  i didnt appreciate the disrespect of her having sex when we are awake and in the house and when my son is awake.  We dont do that and its not acceptable.  she said she was sorry and she understood.
about a week later, We all go over to a friend's house. She leaves early and takes my son with her saying she is going home to lay down and will put the kids to bed.  a couple of hours later, My fi and I come home to find the same guy's car parked out front. We go in the house, my son is in my bed and her daughter is in my sons room on the floor AGAIN. So, we again have the discussion about how this is UNACCPTABLE, DISRESPECTFUL and not going to happen again. 
in addition to this, she was only cooking when he came over, we only asked her to pay 360 a month this wasnt being paid in a timely manner,  and we were covering the rest of the bills (which had gone up since we now had another adult in the house) she was eating up all of our food. and would sleep all day on the weekends while we watched her daughter.
Finally, my FI blew up.. he told her what he thought and how disrespectful she was.  She then said she was moving out.   At this point, im not sure that i want her in my wedding anymore.  My FI has made it perfectly clear that he would rather her not be in the wedding anymore.. Is it okay for me to "kick her out" (sorry i couldnt find a nicer way to put it) 

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Re: Dilema (kinda long)

  • edited December 2011
    It seems that you and your FI have already come to an agreement about her not being in the wedding let alone living with you all. If she is being disrespectful and ignoring the rules of YOUR house than by all means do what you have to do. But make sure that this is not a decision you will regret down the road. HTH
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  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_african-american-weddings_dilema-kinda-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural Wedding BoardsForum:400Discussion:9d5ae58f-9b91-437d-87c8-2c3ab47ca930Post:62530d70-a2e9-42ff-bb17-4bd87fcef037">Dilema (kinda long)</a>:
    [QUOTE]My FI and I asked a friend of ours to move in with us back in June. She's a single parent (young) and was living with her parents. Her father is an alcoholic and beats up on her mom. She didnt want her daughter (now 2) raised around that.  We understood and said she could move into our spare bedroom until she got her money together to get her own place. Her daughter is the same age as our son and since the father of her child passed, My FI has taken on the "uncle" roll with her.  Also we could help eachother out.  It all started fine until one night she had a guy stay over.  <strong>Now, we didnt mind that. She's an adult and is paying rent . The problems were 1- she put her daughter in my son's room on the floor so this guy could spend the night.  2- her daughter woke up screaming and crying cause she's used to sleeping with her mom.</strong> That woke my son up which woke me up. She's in the room sleeping (we didnot know the guy was in the room at this time. We didnt even know he was in the HOUSE) I realized that when i looked out the window to see if her car was there cause i was trying to figure out why her daughter was in my son's room on the floor to begin with. I see his car, put 2 and 2 together and came up pissed.   i get both kids quieted down and back to sleep (after knocking on her door and getting no response)   the following morning, My FI gets up with the kids (she and the guy are still in the bedroom)  as he is coming upstairs to tell me that he is going to the store to get eggs for breakfast, he hears the 2 of them having sex.  NOT GOOD.  After the guy leaves, i talk to her and tell her that i dont appreciate her putting her child in my son's room on the floor,  I dont appreciate having to get up with both kids cause her's woke up and woke mine up. <strong>I also informed her that  i didnt appreciate the disrespect of her having sex when we are awake and in the house and when my son is awake.  We</strong> dont do that and its not acceptable.  she said she was sorry and she understood. about a week later, We all go over to a friend's house. She leaves early and takes my son with her saying she is going home to lay down and will put the kids to bed.  a couple of hours later, My fi and I come home to find the same guy's car parked out front. We go in the house, my son is in my bed and her daughter is in my sons room on the floor AGAIN. So, we again have the discussion about how this is UNACCPTABLE, DISRESPECTFUL and not going to happen again.  in addition to this, she was only cooking when he came over, <strong>we only asked her to pay 360 a month this wasnt being paid in a timely manner,  and we were covering the rest of the bills (which had gone up since we now had another adult in the house) she was eating up all of our food. and would sleep all day on the weekends while we watched her daughter.</strong> Finally, my FI blew up.. he told her what he thought and how disrespectful she was.  She then said she was moving out.   At this point, im not sure that i want her in my wedding anymore.  My FI has made it perfectly clear that he would rather her not be in the wedding anymore.. Is it okay for me to "kick her out" (sorry i couldnt find a nicer way to put it) 
    Posted by Baesmom[/QUOTE]

    WOW! 1st let me commend you for getting a child out of that situation. Many see but do not act :).

    Second: I would not intertwine wedding & living arrangements. Especially, when you & FI had a hand in how it played out. Now hear me out...I say this because you enabled her behavior. You allowed her to have a man stay over, sleep late while you took care of her child and make untimely rent payments.
    As far as eating up the food I take the $360 you charged her would cover that since nowhere in your post did you mention a fee/charge/ or other arrangements concerning food. Have you asked her to cook?

    I don't understand how she was disrespectful, you asked her not to have sex while you/son where up during the day. Nowhere did you say it happened again matter of fact you & FI wasn't home & kids were sound asleep.

    I also don't understand why your so mad she put her daughter in your son room while she had company. Think about this...Your babysitting, kids are playing in your sons room, you walk in to check on them & her daughter is teaching your son what adults do in bedrooms at night..all because she kept the little girl in the room with her.Just as she woke up when in your sons room, she could have while theywere doing the horizontal polka...It's sad but Yes it happens!!! If anything I would be pissed she put the little girl on the floor.

    You allowed a friend to move in and did not have a contract, make ground rules of what was expect and what would not be tolerated. I truly think it would be unfair to your friend (if you still consider her your friend) if you kicked her out of the wedding. But you opened the door for this dilemma you have, because you gave your guest a free for all.

    I hope I wasn't harsh, if I was I apologize :) I made the same mistake you did by helping someone out but didn't set any ground rules. Very wise woman told me why I was in the wrong, and not to let the friendship go.

    This is just my opinion but it's like ears everybody has them.

    Oh I always wanted to ask somebody this...If she moved in to save money for her own place why were you charging rent in the first place? I can see asking for something for the added utility usage & food...which should not be all that much a month..
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_african-american-weddings_dilema-kinda-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural Wedding BoardsForum:400Discussion:9d5ae58f-9b91-437d-87c8-2c3ab47ca930Post:fdc880ba-22eb-43b9-a4f0-faffc3e32187">Re: Dilema (kinda long)</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Dilema (kinda long) : WOW! 1st let me commend you for getting a child out of that situation. Many see but do not act :). Second: I would not intertwine wedding & living arrangements. Especially, when you & FI had a hand in how it played out. Now hear me out...I say this because you enabled her behavior. You allowed her to have a man stay over, sleep late while you took care of her child and make untimely rent payments. As far as eating up the food I take the $360 you charged her would cover that since nowhere in your post did you mention a fee/charge/ or other arrangements concerning food. Have you asked her to cook? I don't understand how she was disrespectful, you asked her not to have sex while you/son where up during the day. Nowhere did you say it happened again matter of fact you & FI wasn't home & kids were sound asleep. I also don't understand why your so mad she put her daughter in your son room while she had company. Think about this...Your babysitting, kids are playing in your sons room, you walk in to check on them & her daughter is teaching your son what adults do in bedrooms at night..all because she kept the little girl in the room with her.Just as she woke up when in your sons room, she could have while theywere doing the horizontal polka...It's sad but Yes it happens!!! If anything I would be pissed she put the little girl on the floor. You allowed a friend to move in and did not have a contract, make ground rules of what was expect and what would not be tolerated. I truly think it would be unfair to your friend (if you still consider her your friend) if you kicked her out of the wedding. But you opened the door for this dilemma you have, because you gave your guest a free for all. I hope I wasn't harsh, if I was I apologize :) I made the same mistake you did by helping someone out but didn't set any ground rules. Very wise woman told me why I was in the wrong, and not to let the friendship go. This is just my opinion but it's like ears everybody has them. Oh I always wanted to ask somebody this...If she moved in to save money for her own place why were you charging rent in the first place? I can see asking for something for the added utility usage & food...which should not be all that much a month..
    Posted by tcjames[/QUOTE]

    we did let her know that we didnt want her having sex in the house...  My fiancee and i are like that. We dont have sex with others in the house period.  while she was there, it never happened.. Out of respect for her. 
    I didnt ask her to cook. I would however ask "does anyone want to cook dinner tonight?" it seems like she would disappear when i asked.  We charged her only the 360 and not the 900 her parents were charging her so that she could save.  I figured since we werent asking her to put money on the electricty or water or anything else, we were being fair.   I was mad about her putting her daughter in my son's room cause 1- she KNOWS her daughter wakes up if she's not in the bed with mommy. so for her to do that knowing that the child would wake up then in turn wake my son up which made me wake up while she slept was not okay.  And then when i knock on her door she still doesnt get up.  So im left up with 2 upset toddlers at 2am.  Not her and she caused the situation.  the agreement was we would all chip in for food for the house.  Not my fi and i buy the food and she eat it all up while we are at work.  I feel like i was taken advantage of in the situation.  and she acts like she has the attitude with us. We didnt ask her to move out. As a matter of fact, we both asked her to stay and for us to talk it out.  My FI apologized and let her know his frustration however she said she didnt want to hear anything he had to say and that she was leaving.  So now she has the probelm with us.  It was just a bad situation that i dont know how to handle now.
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  • edited December 2011
    I am so sorry for you. This must be stressful!

    Thank you for sharing your story. This is exactly why FI and I agreed that No One can move in with us...even family. We would rather break our backs to put them in an apartment and pay 3 months of rent until they get on their feet than to have anyone move in.

    From what you wrote she doesn't seem like a bad person, she only made unwise choices. I'd let her stay in the wedding. Write up a contract on what you expect from her, anyone renting an apartment has to sign a contract.
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  • wallacjewallacje member
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    edited December 2011
    I'm sorry that you are dealing with this.

    Let her move out and if you can deal with her after she moves out then proceed with her being in the wedding as planned.  If you can't deal with her, you could try and talk to her about it after some of the dust has settled.  Totally sucks that it had to go this route.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_african-american-weddings_dilema-kinda-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:400Discussion:9d5ae58f-9b91-437d-87c8-2c3ab47ca930Post:51d203cd-b1da-45db-94d0-879d7c0fd6d2">Re: Dilema (kinda long)</a>:
    [QUOTE] My FI apologized and let her know his frustration however <strong>she said she didnt want to hear anything he had to say and that she was leaving.  So now she has the probelm with us.</strong>  It was just a bad situation that i dont know how to handle now.
    Posted by Baesmom[/QUOTE]

    Do I think she should be in the wedding still yes if you still consider her a friend which I think you do.  BUT I would definitely sit down and talk with her and find it if she still wants to be in the wedding.  I would not assume anything.  Do not leave it to chance that everything will work out.  I am not exactly sure when your wedding is but if it is close I would set up a time soon for you both to talk and put it on the table. You still want her in the wedding but you just want to make sure she is still open to that.  I don't want you to assume that things have blown over and its now time for you to get dresses and she is no where to be found cause she is still mad.  MAKE IT PLAIN SO EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE.
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  • edited December 2011
    thanks ladies.. 
    i just feel bad for her daughter.  We were trying to help because she is young. Believe me a lesson has been learned lol We still have a little less than 2 years til we get married so there is plenty of time for things to heal and blow over. 
    I appreciate all of the responses.  I take nothing to offense. When you open yourself to forums you have to be ready for everything that comes your way.
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