s/o Trayvon Martin, let's talk gun control

zsazsa-stl

Quickly, while bmom is still at the movies.

I am not in favor of banning all guns.  I'm cool with hunting. 

But WTF is wrong with this country that we have self-proclaimed neighborhood watch wack-a-doos packing heat?

Thoughts?

MinM

I'm pro-RESPONSIBILITY.

Have a gun if you are going to do so, responsibly.

Take out credit and get a home and/or education, if you are going to do, responsibly.

VarunaTT

I don't see why anyone needs to own a weapon that was developed for the military with one purpose:  to wound, maim and kill multiple humans quickly and efficiently.

I'm fine with hunting.  It's not my thing, but I understand why people find pleasure in the sport.  I hope they say thank you to the animal and at least try to use the parts for something, rather than just trophy hunting.

loveshine1

I'm with Min. Be responsible.

A neighborhood watch wacko who kills an unarmed kid while on a power trip is not responsible.

**O-Face**

H carries often, but I would consider him one of the "responsible" ones.  It's a thin line between "vigilante" (a word the media likes to use) and not being able to own a gun at all.

NOLABridesmaid

I think there are too many people walking around here with guns. People think that they have to have guns to protect themselves from the criminals, which is only a cycle of more guns on the street.

I think we always think we do things better than other countries, but in this area we do not.

Last time I checked French people eat meat and seem to do just fine with out being strapped up like crazy. Yes, they have a lone crazy person shooting but it's rare. What are our stats?

PMeg819

I'm all about responsibility. DH is a collector, but all of those guns are locked up and stored appropriately. He has a concealed carry permit, but has taken courses on carrying.

Wzz

would it matter if there were better gun control? it is about responsibility. even if a person has a registered gun, they can go off the deep end and start acting however they like with their weapon. it's up to them to learn how to act while carrying and caring for their weapon.

also, there are lots of things crazy poeple can use as weapons that don't have to be registered. i'm not a fan of guns, but i also know that it's not the gun that is the problem.

**O-Face**

It's funny because the more you try to "control guns" the more you seem to reduce the ability of those "responsible" people to get the guns, and yes I'm going cliche and the "bad guys" can still access weapons.  It's a slippery slope.

It's another one of those "chicken before the egg" situation...what started it all?

mrsconn23

I'm all about personal responsibility. 

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. 

zsazsa-stl

I agree that it would be ideal if everyone were responsible, but look around.  We are all surrounded by irresponsible people who have the same rights. 

I just don't buy the self-defense argument.  Most people would never be level-headed enough to actually use the weapon correctly in a self-defense situation. By carrying a gun you are just asking for trouble. 

And frankly, I would rather be murdered than live with what the guy who killed Trayvon is going to have to live with.

I could get behind a 6+ month training requirement in order to have a gun permit. If you aren't responsible enough to show up for classs, you aren't responsible enough to have a deadly weapon at your fingertips.

zsazsa-stl

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_wedding-woes_so-trayvon-martin-lets-talk-gun-control?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:47Discussion:24adef14-652e-4fbf-84a1-171e9aecc5b3Post:0d260d71-34fb-4ec6-a377-0f5ca400efa0">Re: s/o Trayvon Martin, let's talk gun control</a>:
[QUOTE]I'm all about personal responsibility.  <strong>Guns don't kill people, people kill people. 
</strong>Posted by mrs.conn23[/QUOTE]

True, but guns make it a heck of a lot easier.

jojobrn

I too am all about responsibility. My father carries, part of what he does for work, and in this state it isn't the easiest thing. We grew up knowing guns were in the house and that both our parents could and would use them for protecting us and the house if needed. 

We don't have guns in the house now, but I have considered lerning how to handle and shoot a gun. 

thatgrrrrl

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_wedding-woes_so-trayvon-martin-lets-talk-gun-control?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:47Discussion:24adef14-652e-4fbf-84a1-171e9aecc5b3Post:59fe8b72-b098-4103-a558-70f4a6a226a9">Re: s/o Trayvon Martin, let's talk gun control</a>:
[QUOTE]I agree that it would be ideal if everyone were responsible, but look around.  We are all surrounded by irresponsible people who have the same rights.  I just don't buy the self-defense argument.  Most people would never be level-headed enough to actually use the weapon correctly in a self-defense situation. By carrying a gun you are just asking for trouble. <strong> And frankly, I would rather be murdered than live with what the guy who killed Trayvon is going to have to live with</strong>. I could get behind a 6+ month training requirement in order to have a gun permit. If you aren't responsible enough to show up for classs, you aren't responsible enough to have a deadly weapon at your fingertips.
Posted by zsazsa-stl[/QUOTE]

Unortunately, he doesn't think he did anything wrong. He has to live with nothing unless he get's ostracized by society. That might happen but people will forget soon enough.

VarunaTT

I'm sorry, MrsConn, but I call BS on the whole "guns don't kill people" snipe.  Guns DO kill people, no one just makes a gun out of their hand, says bang, and someone drops dead. It makes someone infinitely more dangerous than if they just had a knife, sword, or their fists.  It's all about an old theory called "circle of danger".  Someone holding a sword extends their circle to the tip of that sword, knife tip of the knife, gun?  to end of the gun range.  I can't get out of that circle of danger when someone has a gun, especially if it's a concealed weapon. It's an instrument just like anything else and should be recognized as such.

NOLABridesmaid

Guns also kill a lot of people in a short period of time. It takes time to stab a person to death.

mrsconn23

I said it mostly tongue in cheek.

However, I stand with O on the fact that more gun control seems to have guns ending up more in the wrong hands and the people who are honest and responsible in their pursuit of gun ownership have a bitch of a time getting one.   I believe there are a hell of a lot more responsible gun owners than irresponsible gun owners in this country. 

VarunaTT

I wonder if anyone thought Zimmerman was an "irresponsible" gun owner until he shot the wrong person for the wrong reason?  

Just a thought.

baconsmom

Aw, I miss all the fun.

You all know what I'd say, anyway. They're not for hunting, they're not for defense against common criminals. They are for defense against the government, and I don't think the government should know who's going to come after them. 

mrsconn23

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[QUOTE]I wonder if anyone thought Zimmerman was an "irresponsible" gun owner until he shot the wrong person for the wrong reason?   Just a thought.
Posted by VarunaTT[/QUOTE]

Yes, he is/was.

And supposedly he was trained by the cops to be on this 'neighborhood watch'.  I am very curious to know what this 'training' involved and if the volunteers were told to tote their guns. 

ReturnOfKuus

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[QUOTE]It's funny because the more you try to "control guns" the more you seem to reduce the ability of those "responsible" people to get the guns, and yes I'm going cliche and the "bad guys" can still access weapons.  It's a slippery slope. It's another one of those "chicken before the egg" situation...what started it all?
Posted by **O-Face**[/QUOTE]


I'm in this camp.  I think hunting is stupid, but there's a reason the second amendment was included in the bill of rights.  Just look at what happened in Egypt last year.  The people managed to revolt, sure, but when the government sends armed thugs to silence (and sometimes rape) people who are trying to overthrow them for completely valid reasons, you need a damn gun, not a sharpened stick.  It's a reset button on the constitution.  Regardless of the danger of whackadoos shooting random people, we need a means of revolt so that the government can be kept in check.

And I love Baconsmom so, so much.  I will fight the good fight with you every time.