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My birth mother wants no one to know about me

Dear Prudence,
I'm adopted. I'm in my late 40s, married, have two children, am well-educated and financially secure. A few years ago, I decided to locate my birth parents. My hope was for a connection, but I was willing to settle for medical history and information about my heritage. My research revealed that my birth mother married several years after my birth and has recently divorced. The marriage produced two sons, my half-brothers. Both sons are married with children, and there are lots of other relatives. I sent my birth mother a certified letter with corroboration about my being her biological daughter. I gave a brief personal history, some photographs, and I assured her I was financially stable. I waited a month but she didn't respond, so I sent the letter a second time. Again, no response. Finally, I telephoned her. I’m sure that phone call was one of the worst conversations of both of our lives. She had received my letter and was horrified to hear from me. Only her eldest brother and deceased parents had known of her pregnancy. She had spent her entire life keeping my existence a secret, and she would be ruined if people found out about me. I tried to salvage what I could from the conversation. I asked for information about my birth father and she adamantly refused to tell me anything. I told her since I had located her she could be confident I would find him, with or without her. I suggested she should inform family members about me and trust that their feelings for her would not change. She just kept repeating that I had ruined her life. I am the mother of a daughter, and I simply cannot fathom my birth mother's response to me. A year later, I sent a second letter informing her of my intent to contact other family members and encouraging her to communicate with them about me. Again, I received no response. Part of me sympathizes with my birth mother's wish for privacy. But another part of me feels I have a right to know who my father is, and that I have a right to pursue relationships with other family members. I've given her ample opportunity to control the message. Do I have an obligation to do anything more?

—Shunned

Re: My birth mother wants no one to know about me

  • WzzWzz member
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    honestly, if all she wanted was medical history, this all sounds like extortion of some sort. if i were this woman, and i had a good adoptive family and love from my current family, i would let it go. she sounds a little selfish and doesn't understand that making the choice for adoption is probably not simple.

  • Oh Boy! i can see her desire to want to know her family members, but you can't force people to want to have a relationship with you. It's great if they do, but you have a 50/50 chance that they don't.

    I'm not sure how a woman in her 60's would be ruined about something she did decades ago. Ruined?? That seems like a big leap. Yes, people would be surprised and they might judge, but secrets come out later in life all of the time in families.
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  • Just no.  

    My favorite aunt was given up for adoption by my grandmother.  Grandmother had purposefully left information that if baby wanted to find her, baby could.  So, close to 30 some odd years later, Aunt found us.  She wanted us, we wanted her, happy ending.

    That's not true for everyone.  And I don't think adoptees have a right to find their bio relatives, there's reasons for closed adoptions. She did, she was rebuffed and she needs to let it go.  <--yes, easier said than done, but that's the truth.
  • this is what happened to skippy on "family ties!"
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  • GBCKGBCK member
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    edited March 2013
    It sucks.  But I can easily imagine a family where someone would be ruined by this info coming to light in her 60's.
    (if my one crazy aunt, who adopted her daughter [biologically her niece] had placed another child?  she'd never live it down w/ the rest of the family.  Hell, I judge the hell out of her as it is, I can't imagine much making me sympathetic to her)

    I think adoptions can and should be as open as everyone is willing to be...but it's like a lot of other 'conset' type things--the person who wants the strictest interpretation/least amount of contact amount has to win.
  • Yes. I miss my Family Ties recaps. Tell Lil Mo he is tv blocking with his needs and all.
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  • The first things that springs to mind is....child fathered by relative.  :(
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  • 6fsn6fsn member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_wedding-woes_my-birth-mother-wants-no-one-to-know-about-me?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:47Discussion:68d43b90-46c4-4429-b2ce-644f4dbb7f3fPost:2006a61f-ed97-4cee-ba75-6d57ab33cfab">Re: My birth mother wants no one to know about me</a>:
    [QUOTE]The first things that springs to mind is....child fathered by relative.  :(
    Posted by **O-Face**[/QUOTE]

    I didn't even think of that.  I went to something racial.
  • GBCKGBCK member
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    my mind went to major hypocricy.
    LIke...placed kid for adoption then went on to slut shame anyone else w/ a whoops and to treat adopted family members like 2nd class citizens.
  • WzzWzz member
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    oh, i was just thinking that the birth mom was slut shamed, and was sent away to go "stay with relatives" and had her baby in secret on someone's farm while in hiding (like in books that talk about this stuff happening years ago in rural areas). her life probably isn't really ruined, but i'm sure there are scars that havsn't had a chance to heal over it all.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_wedding-woes_my-birth-mother-wants-no-one-to-know-about-me?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:47Discussion:68d43b90-46c4-4429-b2ce-644f4dbb7f3fPost:44a0e81f-1a80-4696-b5be-62d1f8111c62">Re: My birth mother wants no one to know about me</a>:
    [QUOTE]oh, i was just thinking that the birth mom was slut shamed, and was sent away to go "stay with relatives" and had her baby in secret on someone's farm while in hiding (like in books that talk about this stuff happening years ago in rural areas). her life probably isn't really ruined,<strong> but i'm sure there are scars that havsn't had a chance to heal over it all.</strong>
    Posted by Wzz[/QUOTE]

    This is probably a big truth.  My aunt was unwed and pregnant right before my parents got married.  She was sent away and put the baby up for adoption.  She went on to marry and have 4 kids.  The first son died of a brain tumor.  40 years later she still believes it was punishment for the adoption.  Her other children don't know about their half brother.
  • I'll say it. What an entitled little twt of an extortionist. Has nobody ever told the daughter "no" in her life? Even if the logic of "the ruin!!!" is backwards by today's standards, it can still be held by those currently in birth mom's life. Its not anyone else's place or business to determine its validity. Or it's just a chapter in her life she took decades of grueling work to actually move on from. BTW, finding out your "medical history"? Yeah, not THAT useful. You can still get good healthcare, you wont life under the specter of YR GEEENZ!!! and you will die anyway.
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  • Mrs.conn - I didn't realize you were adopted!
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    [QUOTE]Mrs.conn - I didn't realize you were adopted!
    Posted by AuntFlo[/QUOTE]

    Something must have eaten my brain last night.  I went back and reread all of this to see where she said she was adopted. 
  • WzzWzz member
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    it's probably why she's in a pervert relationship with her gay twin brother.
  • <div>I'm adopted.  I searched and reunited with my bio-parents.  My bio-mom and I don't have a relationship anymore because she doesn't want to tell others about me.  It happens.  I'm an adult and I can respect that she feels that way.  However, NOBODY is going to stop me from contacting others in MY family if I decide it's in my best interest.  No adult should have the power to stop another adult from getting potentially life saving information.  There's way too much crap that's genetic.  I had a doctor REFUSE to diagnose me because I didn't have a family medical history (because I have it now I have a diagnoses which has made a huge difference).  I have friends without passports (and I won't be able to get on if they pass more stringent laws for passports).  Plus everyone deserves to know where they come from.<div>
    </div><div>I'm all for adoptees who want to search searching.  But I also think they have to respect boundaries provided by their bio-parents.  If the parents don't want contact, it sucks, but it should be respected.  I also think bio-parents should give information that they can.  Adoptive parents chose to adopt.  Bio-parents chose to give their kid up for adoption (mostly - this isn't always the case).  The adoptee is the ONLY ONE without any sort of choice.  So making a choice as an adult is understandable (or should be anyway).</div></div><div>
    </div>In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_wedding-woes_my-birth-mother-wants-no-one-to-know-about-me?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:47Discussion:68d43b90-46c4-4429-b2ce-644f4dbb7f3fPost:f0d442ff-1399-4cbe-ab80-bd0f9bda6ac7">Re: My birth mother wants no one to know about me</a>:
    [QUOTE]<a href="http://pandce.proboards.com/thread/152980/article-adoptee-closed-adoption-tracks" rel="nofollow">http://pandce.proboards.com/thread/152980/article-adoptee-closed-adoption-tracks</a>
    Posted by ReturnOfKuus[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>I know Elaine.  Her "maternal source" doesn't tell the truth, something that's been verified a bunch of times.  She published confidential medical information about her daughter in her book for starters.  There's lots of crazy in her book.  And she's writing another one.  The "maternal source" never contact Elaine.  She was never told "no".  So she tried one more time to get an answer, even if it was no.  That's when she contacted the attorney, who she had idea was related.  Since then she dropped it completely.  She has a wonderful relationship with her bio-dad's family (her bio-mom and bio-dad were engaged at the time of her conception - could still be rape but none of the articles mention it). Ms. Foly told her husband she was a virgin when they got married and he was a little upset with her when he found out otherwise.  There are a lot more to the story than these articles mention.

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  • WzzWzz member
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    edited March 2013
    in the original letter, she stated that she would settle for some medical history. so, the fact that she didn't get it now means she is forcing this woman to come clean about having a child, and if she doesn't, then the biodaughter will do it for her. that sounds like a threat to me.

    and if you have a doctor who cannot treat you because of no medical history, then why not see a different doctor? what is to stop you from making up a history? most doctors can order genetic tests for different things if this is important to a treatment.

    i find it very difficult to believe that in the future you cannot get a passport without knowing your biology. if your paperwork was filed legally and correctly, that is all the info you need to get legal documents. i think your friends without passports are not telling you the whole story.

    and really, how many people do you know that have been refused passports? and it doesn't sound odd?
  • edited March 2013
    It depends on what sort of medical stuff you have going on.  Some of it can ONLY be diagnosed with an accurate family medical history.  If you don't have one (for any reason) you are screwed.  And yes there are genetic tests they can run, but they aren't perfect and they don't have one for every single genetic disease.  But usually you have to prove to your insurance that you need it.  Without any history most insurance companies won't approve it.  And most people don't always have the money for expensive tests lying around.  That's why it's now recommended that everyone update their family medical history at Thanksgiving.  For more info, see here: http://www.hhs.gov/familyhistory/

    The reason adoptees can't get passports is because of their birth certificates.  When people are adopted, they are issued a new birth certificate with their adoptive parents listed as their biological parents.  The filing date is then added whenever this happens.  Post 9-11, one of the red flags at the passport office is if your filing date is six months or more AFTER your date of birth.  So most adoptees would just use their original birth certificate right?  In 43 states, those records are sealed and only a judge can unseal them.  If the judge doesn't feel like unsealing it, then they don't have to.  It's amazing when the government office will ask someone for their original and the adoptee has to explain that the government seals them.  I know one adoptee who had to go to a State Senator and wait two years to get her passport.  She's in her forties and was adopted when she was a year old.  She could never leave the country and really wanted to go on a cruise to Alaska (but needed a Passport to get through Canada).  I agree, if everything is done legally, it shouldn't be a problem.  Yet way too often it is.  Then there's this: http://www.consumertraveler.com/today/state-dept-wants-to-make-it-harder-to-get-a-passport/

    As for the number, I could name six off the top of my head.  I know you have no reason to believe me, but I wish I was kidding.  Those are all the one's who had legal adoptions.  I know another two who think their adoptions might have been illegal and therefore can't.  BTW, my filing date was filled out illegally.  It should have been filed in August but was filed in February instead, making mine not an issue.

    Edited for spelling and clarity
  • WzzWzz member
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    that is a LOT of information, thanks for sharing.

    i still think there are ways to get around needing the biological information, and if there isn't, there should be.
  • edited March 2013
    No problem.  I've learned that a lot of people just don't know some of the issues that adoptees face.  It's not like it gets much media coverage.  I roll my eyes at most TV shows or movies about adoption because most are inaccurate.  Even I didn't know I had an amended birth certificate and what that could mean for me until just a few years ago.

    I agree, there should be ways around it because there are lots of reasons why someone would have issues, not just adoptees.  I'm a fan of opening records for adoptees so that we don't have to go to court.  That would help with a lot.

    Personally, I feel like the original adoptee in the letter shouldn't have made threats like that (and yes they are threats).  She should have just contacted other family members if that's what she was going to do.

    My bio-mom didn't tell my siblings about me for two years.  They found out recently (not from me, my bio-parents had a change of heart on their own).  My bio-sisters and I have been getting to know each other for the last year.  They will be invited to my wedding as my sisters.  They are wonderful people and have been THRILLED to have an older sister.  My bio-parents?  Not so thrilled to have me back in their lives so I keep my distance to make everyone more comfortable.  I don't want to impose on anyone because I'm a good person and it's just uncomfortable to be in that situation.

    Thanks for listening and being open to new ideas.  Not everyone is :-)
  • 6fsn6fsn member
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    Will finding the birth parent really change the passport issue?
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    [QUOTE]Will finding the birth parent really change the passport issue?
    Posted by 6fsn[/QUOTE]

    <div>It can if you have to go to court.  In that case, you can aruge that you already know the names on the original (and provide them to the judge) so you're not learning any new information, instead using it to get a passport.  People who aruge that have a MUCH higher success rate.  But usually you have to find them first.  And sometimes the judge wants a letter from the bio-parent stating it's OK.  It's a mess and shouldn't be that hard (or expensive).</div>
  • You know, I really do feel for adoptees.  Like I said, we are the bio-family of an adoptee and that's been a struggle for everyone involved over the years.

    But, I don't think adoptees have these rights.  It's legally incovenient and I'm sorry about that.  Laws should be put into place and changed to make these things smoother (including forms that give medical history with adoptees new birth certificate and passport exemptions).  

    I just don't think anyone enters into adoptions lightly.  And if they've given up all parental rights to that child, they have the right to not have that child in their lives at all. And to be protected from their lives being disrupted (including contacting family members that don't know about adoptee).  What about their privacy rights?

    It's a complicated question, no doubt.  But the whole point of adoption is giving up the rights and responsibilities attached to that child.  I don't think the adoptee's wants (b/c that's what they are, really, want of information and familial ties) should trump the bio-parents rights.
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