A spinoff of my other post

ReturnOfKuus

I also asked this on alterna-Nest, but maybe you guys know: I know there is no law that there must be animal testing done on beauty and body care products here, but when looking into Urban Decay's recent fall from grace, it would seem that the fact that they are going to sell in China automatically takes them off the cruelty-free list, because though THEY don't do animal testing, the Chinese government tests all beauty products sold there. Is this what is meant by MAC and Clinique, too, when they say "no testing except when required by law" (the caveat that got them taken off the cruelty-free list)? Or is there something else?

GBCK

I was reading about this a fwe months ago...

I don't know.  I forget where I was reading.

But it does make it harder to get good info

MinM

This is like when it says, "Final product not tested on animals." So, the ingredients were, awesome

**O-Face**

If you just don't want to risk it, I don't think it matters.  Whether it is because China is part of their market or not.

ReturnOfKuus

I think it matters a lot, if the personal politics of the people designating things cruelty free or not comes into play.

ReturnOfKuus

I don't want to be like the Muslims around here who fear-avoid vendors based on rumors that their meat isn't halal even though they have the certificates saying that it is, when there is a pretty damn good chance that it's competing vendors starting those rumors.

**O-Face**

True.  But if the company itself is putting out press releases, and they are a parent company it's hard to ignore that.  Which ones are you not sure about?

ReturnOfKuus

It's less a specific company question, and more a gripe that while most cruelty-free lists mean either vegan or isn't from a parent company that has any noncompliant companies (though there seems to be some of those slipping through the cracks here and there), that's not how everyone defines it, and it's damn hard to ger a straight answer from any of the actual companies.

**O-Face**

Their one and only goal is to sell product, and if they can "dupe" someone who is cruelty-free or vegan into buying one of their "questionable" products, they'll do that.  Even if it means giving a non-committal answer.  Do I think that is wrong?  yes and no

See...even I can't give a straightforward answer.

ReturnOfKuus

Honestly, I don't even get why there is any animal testing being done for beauty care products in the US any more.  FFS, we've been making soap and lotion pretty much the same damn way for a hundred years now, with only minor variations.  What in the sam hill do they even need to test?!

**O-Face**

Well, I'm sure some moron somewhere has gotten mascara in their eye, which probably caused some sort of iritation, which in turn they moron sued for.  Then it was devised that they should rub all new mascara formulas in SOMEONE'S eye to elminate future problems. But of course, who would volunteer for that?  no one.