Wedding Woes

Let's talk about this IL craziness.

OK, we can't judge my IL's by normal standards. They have a totally different paradigm of right and wrong. I don't agree with it, H doesn't agree with it.

There is 1 Grandma, she has 7 kids, each of them have 4 or more children (MIL has 6). They all live in the same small town, they all go to the same ultra conservative church, all of the children go to the same private school that is funded by the church. So the craziness is reinforced. They're very ethical, nice, religious folks, but they are "different". when I say "family" I mean the entire 100+ person unit. H was really happy to leave. H is also worried about his siblings. The school focuses so much on religion that the youngest two can barely read (14 and 15), and we want to be in their lives to make them feel like there is a world outside Small Town. H was glad to have some people who did that for him.

"Family" is a virtue. There is no "inviting", it's expected that your door is open to family anytime You don't sell or trade in old things (cars and houses included)- you are supposed to offer them to someone who might need it. They seem to have no idea that this amount of "closeness" is not normal. The women in the family invented the Mrs. Degree. They all have college degrees, but once they are married, they quit work, even if money is tight. Several families are on assistance while the SAHM's volunteer at the church. BC is also frowned upon.  As a result, you have very large, poor families who depend on eachother to get their needs met. And everyone is a doormat, willingly. If we ever needed anything, they'd be there in a second.

MIL and FIL are the ringleaders of the family. MIL was as normal as the above circumstances allow, until the wedding. We got along great while H and I dated for 5 years.The night before the wedding, she crashed H's (very tame) BP, and it's been downhill ever since. I think she feels like I'm making him toss all of his "values" out of the window, and she's freaking out. H wants to go to the mattresses. He thinks his Mom needs to know that by disrespecting the family he chose she's disrespecting him and he's not going to allow it. On the other hand, they are his family, he does love them, and I think he'd regret cutting them out.

I'll let H say his piece, but I also need to have a sit down with her. Her issue isn't with H, it's with me, and she needs to know that I'm not H's replacement Mommy, I'm his wife, and she needs to back off about how I do that job, woman to woman.

Now, You guys do that thing where you put all this in perpective with your worldy wisdom, and I go "damn, you're right. I don't know how/why I live with this crap."

Dear Rain, Not Today. Sincerely, My Parade

Re: Let's talk about this IL craziness.

  • baconsmombaconsmom member
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    edited December 2011
    That's all completely irrelevant. Your house, your rules. "No, MIL, you MUST call first." Lock your doors. Leave the house as soon as they show up - "Oh, too bad, we're just on our way out to other plans." Even if those other plans are driving in circles to get rid of them. 

    None of this background means a damn thing. You and your H are allowed to have different boundaries. They are not allowed to disregard those boundaries, regardless of how they were raised. 

    Either they'll adjust, or they won't get to see their son. Something tells me they'll adjust. 
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  • AuntFloAuntFlo member
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    edited December 2011
    Has anyone ever pointed out to them that stealing is, oh, I don't know, WRONG?  Or against the ten commandments???  
    I've known a lot of families like this in my life, and none of them would steal.  That's just weird.
  • **O-Face****O-Face** member
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    edited December 2011
    I'm pretty sure you're justifying the crazy instead of realizing there is no rationalizing it away.  It is what it is...either you accept it or you create boundaries and work within them.
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  • GBCKGBCK member
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    edited December 2011
    As someone who encouraged my husband to keep a relationship longer than he otherwise would have because of famiy/love/etc...
    don't do it.

    Look, HE knows his family 1000000x more than you ever will.  You trust him to do what he thinks is best, still love his mummy and to respect you, right?  so trust that HE kows how to say this to her better than you do because he knows it better.

    And I'll say saying "I'm not the replacement mommy" to her is rather like saying "I'm not having an affair with him" to the wife.  It will come off badly. 

    And WHY are the 2 of you trying to tell her what to do?
    You can control what you do.  Your actions, reactions, etc.  But yoiu loose face and it's stupid to try to tell her to quit being her.
  • baconsmombaconsmom member
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    edited December 2011
    Honestly, Inks, I think you should spend some time lurking on the Families and Children board over at Etiquette Hell:


    There's lots of talk of boundaries and many, many examples of how to firmly and politely establish and enforce them. 
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  • ReturnOfKuusReturnOfKuus member
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    edited December 2011
    I too am wondering how nice, ethical, religious people think stealing is A-OK, and I'm also wondering why their expectations are of any relevance to you and your choices.
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  • baconsmombaconsmom member
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    edited December 2011
    Just a guess: To them, it's not stealing, because they're family. If the rest of the family share resources so freely, they probably assume that Inks and her husband will look at it the same way. They need something; family has it; therefore, they can take it and use it because they are family. 

    Do they steal from strangers or stores? Or is it just from other family members?
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  • ReturnOfKuusReturnOfKuus member
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    edited December 2011
    That's not closeness - it's enmeshment.  It's not seeing a difference between "me" and "a completely separate person that I'm related to".
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  • InksWellInksWell member
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    edited December 2011
    yeah, The stealing is F'd up.

    Nothing about their "background" explains why she steals, it just expalins that they aren't normal. It's not a neat little situation, or something anyone has experience dealing with. it's a clusterfluck. It's intimidating to deal with it because it seems so complicated to me.

    *copies down BMom's speech for later.*

    So basically, I'm being way to lenient, trying too hard to be understanding and flexible? I need balls?
    Dear Rain, Not Today. Sincerely, My Parade
  • baconsmombaconsmom member
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    edited December 2011
    Brass ones. I'd lend you mine, but I use them on the regular. 
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  • InksWellInksWell member
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    edited December 2011

    GB- we aren't trying to tell her what do do, more like what not to do. And, she's changed so much in the past year, she's already quit being "her".

    And I think she does need to hear about "replacement momminess". She's upset at the way I'm "taking care of her son" and she needs to know he doesn't need "taking care of" (except for the occasional man cold) anymore, not by her, not by me. If she can wrap her head around the fact that we are a seperate, grown family, that would go a long way.

    Bmom- MIL doesn't steal from stores, strangers, or other family members (that I know of). My guess is she's upset about our lifestyle, and this is her passive aggressive way of showing it. Maybe she feels like the things we have are "ill gotten gains" because we chose to have this lifestyle. To her, not having nice things is a sign of being virtuous, to some degree, an outward sign of how much you sacrifice for immaterial things. H and I have talked about this before- he thinks his family has a problem being self righteous about their lifestyle. They've adapted their religion to reward them selves for the choices they make to be poor (IMO, not letting women work with their education and forcing large families on them is a choice they make). MIL really thinks our lifestyle is an issue of "sin". Whatever it is, she needs to stop.

    And Kuus- the are "nice" religious people, MIL is the only one that's stealing, and I think she's justifying it by their pseudo religious commitment to the way they live.

    Dear Rain, Not Today. Sincerely, My Parade
  • GBCKGBCK member
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    edited December 2011
    I' gonna C&P a rant I did elsewhere this week because it's applicable (and listen to Bmom, go to ehell)

    she trying to change this person?


    I mean, I KNOW my baby-sis, who is someone I adore and I think is the bestest and most entertaining kid ever, is flakey.  I know that she's still wearing the 'non-engagement ring' from her BF.  I know that I STILL don't know today if I'm driving to get her (4 hours each way) at the airport on Friday.  I just know that's who she is.

    My choices w/ sis's flakeyness are either to say 'no' to her requests (like driving to the airport) and miss getting to spend time w/ her and 'teach her a lesson;'r say "yes" and  enable her and spend time w/ her and re-enforce her flakeyness.

    Neither is ideal (and I'll probably go get her because I'm OK w/ enabling THIS particular bout of flakeyness--she's flying home to surprise gramps)...but I can control how I react.


    What I can't control is what she does.  It woudl be incredibly useless for me to call babysis and yell at her about being a flake.  She's been a flake for almost 30 years.  My screaming at her isn't going to change her flakeyness.

    You telling MIL 'change X" isn't going to DO anything, it'll just make things harder.

  • ReturnOfKuusReturnOfKuus member
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    edited December 2011
    I don't get why no one has yelled "Thou shalt not steal!" at her while taking back all her ill-gotten gains.
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  • InksWellInksWell member
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    edited December 2011
    Maybe next time I'll take a page out of my own grandma's book and smack her with that same frying pan. While shouting "Thou Shall Not Steal".
    Dear Rain, Not Today. Sincerely, My Parade
  • hmonkeyhmonkey member
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    edited December 2011
    inkswell, you must be soooo pleased that you've found something about yourself that gets everyone's attention. 
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