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the money issue (a little long)

I'm having a hard time dealing with the fact that my fiances parents are being less than generous about helping us pay for the wedding.   At first his dad said he would help us, but never gave us a definite amount that he would be willing to contribute. Fiance's parents are divorced and not at all civil, and everything is a 'he said, she said' situation that has to go through my fiance as if he's the messenger. His father will now only help us by giving whatever his mother can give...which is not much, as she's getting re-married herself and is buying a home this year.  I wouldn't be upset if it was more of a financial issue but it seems to be more like just a selfish and childish act of "i'm not doing it unless she does it".

On top of that, fiance's parents (mostly his dad) are very traditional and set in their ways.  I have a feeling they think that my parents should be paying for everything.  F's dad doesn't see the point in helping to pay for a grandiose one-day weddding when he could instead help us buy a house or something in the future.  This being said, I would still like to know (and i think I have a right to know) what exactly his contribution to us might be before we start really planning and paying for things.

Whatever they are willing to contribute, i am certainly appreciative of it.  However, it's a bunch a run around and I've not been able to get a definite answer from his side of the family...it's obviously going to affect how we budget things for the wedding.

Am i over reacting?  How do I deal with this situation without getting involved and /or having a backlash and huge fight with my fiance? I'm sure this is a typical situation as far as 'who pays for what'.... help :(
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  • Don't ask anyone for money.  Plan the wedding you and your FI can afford.  If anyone else contributes money, great, if not you're still ok :)
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  • Plan your wedding as if they are contributing nothing, and if they end up paying for something (from either MIL or FIL) consider it a bonus and a gift.
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    [QUOTE]I'm having a hard time dealing with the fact that <strong>my fiances parents are being less than generous about helping us pay for the wedding</strong>.   At first his dad said he would help us, but never gave us a definite amount that he would be willing to contribute. Fiance's parents are divorced and not at all civil, and everything is a 'he said, she said' situation that has to go through my fiance as if he's the messenger. His father will now only help us by giving whatever his mother can give...which is not much, as she's getting re-married herself and is buying a home this year.  I wouldn't be upset if it was more of a financial issue but it seems to be more like just a selfish and childish act of "i'm not doing it unless she does it". On top of that, fiance's parents (mostly his dad) are very traditional and set in their ways.  I have a feeling they think that my parents should be paying for everything.  F's dad doesn't see the point in helping to pay for a grandiose one-day weddding when he could instead help us buy a house or something in the future.  This being said, I would still like to know (and i think I have a right to know) what exactly his contribution to us might be before we start really planning and paying for things. <strong>Whatever they are willing to contribute, i am certainly appreciative of it.</strong>  However, it's a bunch a run around and I've not been able to get a definite answer from his side of the family...it's obviously going to affect how we budget things for the wedding. Am i over reacting?  How do I deal with this situation without getting involved and /or having a backlash and huge fight with my fiance? I'm sure this is a typical situation as far as 'who pays for what'.... help :(
    Posted by Dayn070104[/QUOTE]

    <div>Somehow these two statements negate each other.</div><div>
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  • The best way to deal with all of this is to plan a wedding that you and your FI can afford yourselves.

    Pay for everything yourselves, and then none of this will even matter any more.
  • While I don't agree with him basing what he gives solely on what FI's mother gives, it's his money and therefore his right.  Plan the wedding you can afford as if he is contributing nothing.  Then if he chooses to contribute (no asking him to!) that's just money you can put into savings.  Nobody has to help pay for your wedding.
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    [QUOTE]I'm having a hard time dealing with the fact that my fiances parents are being less than generous about helping us pay for the wedding.   At first his dad said he would help us, but never gave us a definite amount that he would be willing to contribute. Fiance's parents are divorced and not at all civil, and everything is a 'he said, she said' situation that has to go through my fiance as if he's the messenger. His father will now only help us by giving whatever his mother can give...which is not much, as she's getting re-married herself and is buying a home this year.  I wouldn't be upset if it was more of a financial issue but it seems to be more like just a selfish and childish act of "i'm not doing it unless she does it". On top of that, fiance's parents (mostly his dad) are very traditional and set in their ways.  I have a feeling they think that my parents should be paying for everything.  <strong>F's dad doesn't see the point in helping to pay for a grandiose one-day weddding when he could instead help us buy a house or something in the future.</strong>  This being said, I would still like to know (and i think I have a right to know) what exactly his contribution to us might be before we start really planning and paying for things. Whatever they are willing to contribute, i am certainly appreciative of it.  However, it's a bunch a run around and I've not been able to get a definite answer from his side of the family...it's obviously going to affect how we budget things for the wedding. Am i over reacting?  How do I deal with this situation without getting involved and /or having a backlash and huge fight with my fiance? I'm sure this is a typical situation as far as 'who pays for what'.... help :(
    Posted by Dayn070104[/QUOTE]

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  • If they pay for anything at all, they're being generous. There's no obligation on their part.

    It doesn't have to effect how you budget for the wedding. Budget based on what you and your FI can pay (and what your parents are giving, if anything), and then if your FILs surprise you with a contribution, that'll be a nice surprise to be able to upgrade something to be even better than you'd planned.
  • Plan a wedding you and fiance can afford to pay for yourselves.  Do not rely on others to give you money (even if they say they plan to!) until it is in your hands and do not ask anyone for money.  You are acting as if they are responsible for helping you pay for your wedding when really it is you and fiance's responsibility.  No one else needs to help you in anyway, despite their financial situations.
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  • His parents aren't obligated to pay for anything at all. Neither are yours. 
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  • If YOU want a "grandiose one-day affair" then pay for it yourself.  No one is obligated to help you pay for your wedding.  You don't get to choose, or comment on, how other people choose to spend their money.  Yes, it's crappy that FFIL is playing the one-up game with FMIL, but if that's the case, why would you even want to bother with his money?  Screw him and his conditions.  IF he chooses to give you money for a house later on, then again, that is his choice and his right, and you should be nothing but humble and appreciative.

    How do you deal with it?  You drop the spoiled princess attitude and let it go.  You budget and plan for the wedding that the two of you can afford on your own, and you don't allow yourselves to be put in the middle of highschool drama.   
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  • Pay for your own wedding, with your own money, and don't plan on having any contributions from parents/family members/friends, etc.  That way, if someone offers and hands you a check, it's a nice and unexpected bonus, not part of your budget that you're already expecting.

    And I think his dad has the right idea, telling you to scale back the wedding to save money for a house payment.
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  •      Whenever I talk to my dad he says stuff about how he is planning to help with paying for the wedding, and that he wants to do what he can without ever being specific about amonts or what specifically he is willing to pay for. So basically I just ignore him. We are not counting on his money at all, but if he steps in and contributes something at the last minute then we will just have a little extra spending money for the honeymoon.

         I suggest you do the same thing. Don't count on anything. Hey, it might even be exciting if they do come through with some money and you learn you can add to the guest list or upgrade flowers or something. And if they end up giving nothing then at least you wont have to worry about hearing their opinions on every single detail or inviting all of their long lost relatives that you and FI have never even met. Paying for a wedding yourself can actually have some benefits.
  • I ditto PPs that say - plan whatever you can afford.  The hurt feelings you feel right now will go away I promise.  Its really too bad that your FI's parents are letting their divorce issues have an effect on you and your FI.  My parents were like that too so I feel your pain.
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  • i really need to just stop reading these threads.   90% of wedding drama is related to money.  if more brides planned and paid for their own weddings they'd be so much happier in the end.  i am so happy i had a small, manageable wedding that H and i had total control over that a large affair that someone else planned and had control of. 
  • Agree with PP that you should only do what you and your FI can afford.

    However, since he already initiated that he wanted to help, Fi should sit down with him and say "I know you offered to help with the wedding, and we are really getting into planning. Was there something specific you wanted to do? If you don't we understand and appreciate that you thought of us."

    As FI's dad has already initiated the helping, if you go and plan without him and he doesn't get to contribute, he will be offended. Just tread lightly in the conversations.
  • wow.

    i'm not a "spoiled princess", tidetravel, and i'm insulted that you'd think that. 

    secondly, I've been misunderstood.  this isn't about the AMOUNT of money that has been promised to us.  this isn't about a blank check. being handed to us.  I obviously would be extremely apreciative of any help at all and I know that any help from anyone - whether in the form of time, money, or anything else- is generous.  All i wanted was some advice on how to deal with being in the middle of a situation that is clearly larger than the wedding itself. 

    kikybaby- you are right.  he is a smart man.  he has a point. i shouldn't ask him or tell him what to spend his money on, either.  i understand all of this.  there are bigger things in life.

    you all have great points.  I just wanted to make it clear that really this isnt about a monetary amount- it's more that i'm upset about something out of my control and i'm concerned about its effect on me and my FI as we plan the most important day of our lives. i don't want to argue with anyone over money as it's a sensitve subject as is it.  but i would like to know how to deal with being told one thing and then having it pan out in a way different than we expected it to. 
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    [QUOTE]wow. i'm not a "spoiled princess", tidetravel, and i'm insulted that you'd think that.  secondly, I've been misunderstood.  this isn't about the AMOUNT of money that has been promised to us.  this isn't about a blank check. being handed to us.  I obviously would be extremely apreciative of any help at all and I know that any help from anyone - whether in the form of time, money, or anything else- is generous.  All i wanted was some advice on how to deal with being in the middle of a situation that is clearly larger than the wedding itself.  kikybaby- you are right.  he is a smart man.  he has a point. i shouldn't ask him or tell him what to spend his money on, either.  i understand all of this.  there are bigger things in life. you all have great points.  I just wanted to make it clear that really this isnt about a monetary amount- it's more that i'm upset about something out of my control and i'm concerned about its effect on me and my FI as we plan the most important day of our lives. i don't want to argue with anyone over money as it's a sensitve subject as is it.  <strong>but i would like to know how to deal with being told one thing and then having it pan out in a way different than we expected it to. </strong>
    Posted by Dayn070104[/QUOTE]

    And we answered this question. Just as general life advice, I think it's a pretty solid bet to say that if you feel like you can't count on what someone else is offering, you should plan to do it yourself - whether on a work project or with your wedding budget or whatever.
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    [QUOTE]wow. i'm not a "spoiled princess", tidetravel, and i'm insulted that you'd think that.  secondly, I've been misunderstood.  this isn't about the AMOUNT of money that has been promised to us.  this isn't about a blank check. being handed to us.  I obviously would be extremely apreciative of any help at all and I know that any help from anyone - whether in the form of time, money, or anything else- is generous.  All i wanted was some advice on how to deal with being in the middle of a situation that is clearly larger than the wedding itself.  kikybaby- you are right.  he is a smart man.  he has a point. i shouldn't ask him or tell him what to spend his money on, either.  i understand all of this.  there are bigger things in life. you all have great points.  I just wanted to make it clear that really this isnt about a monetary amount- it's more that i'm upset about something out of my control and i'm concerned about its effect on me and my FI as we plan the most important day of our lives. i don't want to argue with anyone over money as it's a sensitve subject as is it.  <strong>but i would like to know how to deal with being told one thing and then having it pan out in a way different than we expected it to. </strong>
    Posted by Dayn070104[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>Do not plan and rely on money that you do not have. 
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    Are you venting or asking for help?

    If you're venting, I'm sorry that your FILs are acting this way.  They shouldn't use you, FI and your wedding as arguing points.

    If you're asking for help, as PPs said, the best way of maintaining control and sanity during wedding planning is to plan for a wedding whose budget is the cash you have in hand.  Lots of brides make the mistake of counting on parental contributions that never show up, so suddenly they've paid deposits and have no idea how to pay the balance.  Plan the wedding you can afford, and if a parent shows up and hands you a check, you can put that money towards your future down payment on a house.
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    [QUOTE]I just wanted to make it clear that really this isnt about a monetary amount- it's more that i'm upset about something out of my control and i'm concerned about its effect on me and my FI as we plan the most important day of our lives. i don't want to argue with anyone over money as it's a sensitve subject as is it.  but i would like to know how to deal with being told one thing and then having it pan out in a way different than we expected it to. 
    Posted by Dayn070104[/QUOTE]

    <div>Here's what I did...I planned the wedding that I could pay for myself. My parents did end up contributing in the end, but I never wanted to rely on them for anything because you never know what might happen. You should never expect anyone to hand you money.</div>
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  • So the real problem isn't money, but the fact that his divorced parents are acting like children and saying they wont do anything unless the other parent is doing exactly the same thing?

    The solution is the same. Just plan a wedding you can afford yourself then you won't be put in the middle of his parents bickering. If they keep going to FI and using him as a messenger he should stand up to them and tell his mom if she has something to say to his dad than she can call his dad and tell him (or visa versa). They can't put him in the middle of their arguments if he refuses to participate in the discussion.
  • tidetraveltidetravel member
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    [QUOTE]wow. <strong>i'm not a "spoiled princess", tidetravel, and i'm insulted that you'd think that. </strong>secondly, I've been misunderstood.  this isn't about the AMOUNT of money that has been promised to us.  this isn't about a blank check. being handed to us.  I obviously would be extremely apreciative of any help at all and I know that any help from anyone - whether in the form of time, money, or anything else- is generous.  All i wanted was some advice on how to deal with being in the middle of a situation that is clearly larger than the wedding itself.  kikybaby- you are right.  he is a smart man.  he has a point. i shouldn't ask him or tell him what to spend his money on, either.  i understand all of this.  there are bigger things in life. you all have great points.  I just wanted to make it clear that really this isnt about a monetary amount- it's more that i'm upset about something out of my control and i'm concerned about its effect on me and my FI as we plan the most important day of our lives. i don't want to argue with anyone over money as it's a sensitve subject as is it.  but i would like to know how to deal with being told one thing and then having it pan out in a way different than we expected it to. 
    Posted by Dayn070104[/QUOTE]

    Really?  You come here complaining that you're upset that your FI's parents aren't contributing to the wedding (1st sentence), that your FFIL would rather give you money for a down payment for a house than blow his money on a party and you're surprised that people are of the opinion that you're ungrateful?  Shocking.

    Like myself, and every. other. prior. poster. said, pay for the wedding yourself, and then you don't have to worry about what money is or isn't handed to you.
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  • no one should think of their wedding day as the "most important day of their lives".  seriously, its not.  its a very important one for sure, but its not the "most important" or even the "best day of your life". 

  • My wedding day was one of the best days of my life. So far anyway. Embarassed
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    [QUOTE]My wedding day was one of the best days of my life. So far anyway. 
    Posted by salt78[/QUOTE]

    <div>Ditto - though I'm sure eventually it will be surpassed by things like birth of children LOL.</div>
  • edited December 2010
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_money-issue-little-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:122252a4-ed69-48d1-8e82-85fec542ed67Post:829ee5f1-4500-4194-90e5-f247939d334c">Re: the money issue (a little long)</a>:
    [QUOTE]wow. i'm not a "spoiled princess", tidetravel, and i'm insulted that you'd think that.  secondly, I've been misunderstood.  this isn't about the AMOUNT of money that has been promised to us.  this isn't about a blank check. being handed to us.  I obviously would be extremely apreciative of any help at all and I know that any help from anyone - whether in the form of time, money, or anything else- is generous.  All i wanted was some advice on how to deal with being in the middle of a situation that is clearly larger than the wedding itself.  kikybaby- you are right.  he is a smart man.  he has a point. i shouldn't ask him or tell him what to spend his money on, either.  i understand all of this.  there are bigger things in life. you all have great points.  I just wanted to make it clear that really this isnt about a monetary amount- it's more that i'm upset about something out of my control and i'm concerned about its effect on me and my FI as we plan the most important day of our lives. i don't want to argue with anyone over money as it's a sensitve subject as is it.  but <strong>i would like to know how to deal with being told one thing and then having it pan out in a way different than we expected it to. 
    </strong>Posted by Dayn070104[/QUOTE]

    That was the advice that previous posters have given you. Plan you wedding on your budget or the budget your parents have given you. If you plan on your own budget and are not expecting any money and you get some at the last minute then it will be a good bonus, instead of planning on having it and not getting any money. this could lead to stress and debt, neither of which are fun when wedding planning!!

    ETA- Sorry, got sidetracked on writting my answer PP beat me to it!!
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  • Ditto, salt.  There have been a few banner days in my life, and my wedding was definitely one of them.  I get a little teary-eyed with joy when I think about it. 
  • In Response to the money issue (a little long):
    [QUOTEF's dad doesn't see the point in helping to pay for a grandiose one-day weddding when he could instead help us buy a house or something in the future.  This being said, I would still like to know (and i think I have a right to know) what exactly his contribution to us might be before we start really planning and paying for things.
    Posted by Dayn070104[/QUOTE]

    And this is a problem? (FWIW, my in-laws paid for our rehearsal dinner, and gave us a cash gift for the wedding. They didn't help with anything else. My parents contributed, combined... ready for this? $0 to my wedding.)

    Assume his contribution is $0 unless he brings it up himself. AND GO!
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    [QUOTE]i really need to just stop reading these threads.   90% of wedding drama is related to money.  if more brides planned and paid for their own weddings they'd be so much happier in the end.  i am so happy i had a small, manageable wedding that H and i had total control over that a large affair that someone else planned and had control of. 
    Posted by Calypso1977[/QUOTE]

    Stats are that less than a third of couples in the US paid for their own weddings.

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