Obama's Speech

shellydiane820

Anyone watching?  Thoughts?

ricksang

My husband uis watching it. I am waiting for the angry rants to start soon lol.

jasmineh7777

Watching, pleased. But I think we all know  I love Obama, so no surprise there.

shellydiane820

haha.  I like the idea of us pulling out of Iraq, but I am nervous for the Iraqi people, is that a contradiction?

I didn't want us going over there in the first place, I feel like we made a mess there.

ricksang

No, I don't think it's time for us to leave Iraq. Their gov still isn't stable.

jasmineh7777

We made a mess quite a while back when we did some silly stuff, like giving weapons to the Taliban. I think we have done all we can to recitfy that and support Iraq. Now they need to work on their own stability. We will be there to support them, but they need to be the main players now.

shellydiane820

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[QUOTE]No, I don't think it's time for us to leave Iraq. Their gov still isn't stable.
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

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</div><div>Will it ever, though? Not to be the negative nancy over here.</div><div>
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ootmother2

The television is on.  I am on one of the couches in front of it.  I am not watching.

it's over now

ricksang

We made a mess quite a while back when we did some silly stuff, like giving weapons to the Taliban. I think we have done all we can to recitfy that and support Iraq. Now they need to work on their own stability. We will be there to support them, but they need to be the main players now.

Originally we gave the Afghans weapons to stop Communism against Russia. I don't think they were called the Taliban at the time. I think Jimmy Carter started this and Reagan followed. Right?

Birdie1483

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Speech : Will it ever, though? Not to be the negative nancy over here.
Posted by shellydiane820[/QUOTE]

I just don't think some countries are able to have successful democracies. Obviously having another government like Saddam isn't good, but I would think it would be hard to have a successful democracy in a place where religious differences and hard feelings run deep.

andy71781

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[QUOTE]We made a mess quite a while back when we did some silly stuff, like giving weapons to the Taliban. I think we have done all we can to recitfy that and support Iraq. Now they need to work on their own stability. We will be there to support them, but they need to be the main players now.
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
This.  I think it was a good speech.

jasmineh7777

You're right Ricks. I was being flippant. We basically provided the weapons/training for them to fight the Big Bad Communists, and then left them high and dry when they got destroyed.

ricksang

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Speech : Will it ever, though? Not to be the negative nancy over here.
Posted by shellydiane820[/QUOTE]

Who knows, I doubt it, but at least it would be nice to <strong>try</strong> to stabilize the country.

I am going to watch the speech tomorrow but I really don't think it will change my POV on him. Does he have answer about the unemployment rate? Why the huge waste of a stimulus bill isn't working? How much more money is he going to spend?

jasmineh7777

Those are different issues. This speech was specifically about our combat withdrawl.

I also have a pretty biased view about this issue. I have family in Iraq right now. Two of our close friends are leaving for Iraq in about 2 weeks. I want them all home. Selfish, but true.

ricksang

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[QUOTE]You're right Ricks. I was being flippant. We basically provided the weapons/training for them to fight the Big Bad Communists, and then left them high and dry when they got destroyed.
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]

I didn't think you were being flippant?

ricksang

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[QUOTE]Those are different issues. This speech was specifically about our combat withdrawl. I also have a pretty biased view about this issue. I have family in Iraq right now. Two of our close friends are leaving for Iraq in about 2 weeks. I want them all home. Selfish, but true.
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]

You selfish hoar! :p

Well then I won't watch mostly likely. It isn't a huge issue for me. The economy is what concerns me right now b/c I want to know if the job outlook will be okay in the future. I am busting my balls in school for a reason.

jasmineh7777

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Speech : I didn't think you were being flippant?
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

I tend to be a little sarcastic when talking about history. I also tend to over generalize. And sometimes I ignore stuff I don't like. ;) 
You were right, we gave money to Afghanistan. We really did screw them over, imho, which bred some of the anti-American sentiment embraced by extremist groups.

ricksang

I worry about the women over there big time. I really hate the way they are treated.

shellydiane820

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Speech : <strong>Who knows, I doubt it, but at least it would be nice to try to stabilize the country.</strong> I am going to watch the speech tomorrow but I really don't think it will change my POV on him. Does he have answer about the unemployment rate? Why the huge waste of a stimulus bill isn't working? How much more money is he going to spend?
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

<div>I see what you're saying.  This is how we differ, though.  I didn't think we had enough reason to go over there in the first place.  I felt like George W. Bush was holding a grudge against Saddam Hussein, from "trying to kill his dad." </div>

jasmineh7777

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Speech : You selfish hoar! :p Well then I won't watch mostly likely. It isn't a huge issue for me. The economy is what concerns me right now b/c I want to know if the job outlook will be okay in the future. I am busting my balls in school for a reason.
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

I've heard you're supposed to get a job after school. My solution is several years of grad school. If it hasn't gotten sorted out by then, I will just put my fingers in my ears and pretend I can't hear you;.

Meagan78

I was pleased by his message, especially about the support for the vets here at home - mental, medical, career and educational.  I thought it was a really good speech.

ricksang

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Speech : I tend to be a little sarcastic when talking about history. I also tend to over generalize. And sometimes I ignore stuff I don't like. ;)  You were right, we gave money to Afghanistan. We really did screw them over, imho, which bred some of the anti-American sentiment embraced by extremist groups.
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
Did you know I have a history degree? I don't remember most of the stuff I was taught but I have a piece of paper! :)

jasmineh7777

I was really glad he addressed PTSD. We've pretty much ignored it in the past.

jasmineh7777

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Speech : Did you know I have a history degree? I don't remember most of the stuff I was taught but I have a piece of paper! :)
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

Seriously? You can keep me in check then!

aprovencher21

I didn't watch and I won't watch.  Obama bothers me....... I'd rather read the transcript of his speeches. 

ricksang

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Speech : I've heard you're supposed to get a job after school. My solution is several years of grad school. If it hasn't gotten sorted out by then, I will just put my fingers in my ears and pretend I can't hear you;.
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]

Career student? I like that plan. Where's my check?

jasmineh7777

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[QUOTE]I didn't watch and I won't watch.  Obama bothers me....... I'd rather read the transcript of his speeches. 
Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]

Obama loves you! ;)

jasmineh7777

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Speech : Career student? I like that plan. Where's my check?
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

It will come from the President in the form of a Pell Grant.

flyjawn

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[QUOTE]I was pleased by his message, especially about the support for the vets here at home - mental, medical, career and educational.  I thought it was a really good speech.
Posted by Meagan78[/QUOTE]

<div>this.</div><div>
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ricksang

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Speech : It will come from the President in the form of a Pell Grant.
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]

I can't get Pell :(

My H gives me money for stuff does that count?

shellydiane820

Did I ever tell anyone that Nick wanted to name one of our cats "Obamow".  Sorry ladies, this man is spoken for!