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My big fat second reception faux pas.

Alright guys, I have to get this off my chest. If flaming has been earned, flame away.

I asked on this board a while back about having a "second reception." Because it's customary in DH's culture to have multiple receptions, I generally got the thumbs-up here. I still felt a little odd about it (especially since I have social anxiety and being the center of attention on one day was plenty), but my in-laws were so insistent. They wanted a second party local to their guests (our "legal" wedding was a thousand miles away), wanted a big grand evening affair we couldn't afford (our "real" wedding was in the morning and very modest, in line with our budget and preferences), and generally guilted me into going along with it, saying they just wanted us to let them have this excuse to throw a big party, and that their eldest son only gets married once, and it's so important to them culturally. What resulted was everything I never wanted for my wedding, with a big fat helping of rude and inappropriate.

It wasn't at all the "traditional" cultural reception I'd thought my ILs were planning when I first agreed to a second reception. It was 100% an American style wedding reception, just without the ceremony. And it was true that everyone from DH's culture thought it was normal and appropriate for his parents to throw a reception separate from my parent's reception, that was all fine with everyone from his culture. If that had been the extent of the guest list, it would have all been fine and good. But that's not the only group of people they invited! DH's parents invited a ton of culturally American people (co-workers, family friends) who kept asking me about the "real" wedding and generally (fairly) hinting at how this was really a fake reception. Worse still, it was obvious some of the culturally American attendees discovered that this was a second reception while in attendance. I just wanted to shrivel up and die. It was so mortifying. 

I should have done a lot of things differently, including paying attention to what the ILs were planning (I really let them run with it, other requesting only one optional traditional ceremony from their culture that generally takes place at the reception, which they decided against without telling me until the party was underway, at which point the necessary supplies were not available). I just plain didn't get into their planning, thinking that it was really their reception, their guests, their culture. In hindsight, I handled so many things wrong. 

I am still so embarassed and upset about what we let happen. There may be a proper and appropriate way to have a second reception, but this was definitely not it.
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  • Out of curiosity, what culture is your DH from? You keep mentioning that's cultural, so I'm curious lol.
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    [QUOTE]Out of curiosity, what culture is your DH from? You keep mentioning that's cultural, so I'm curious lol.
    Posted by Simply Fated[/QUOTE]
    I don't want to say because they have such a small population in the U.S., but I'll PM you if I can figure out how.
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  • I would have been mortified too.  What does your H think of how it turned out?  My in-laws wanted to do something similar for us, but we flat out declined.  Their idea of a second reception was something that would completely mimic our first reception, but would include just their family.  We wanted one wedding for both of our families, not two different ones.  Did you do anything that honored H's culture in your real wedding?

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  • Sorry :(. But it's done. Let it go. And get out incredibly thoughtful, considerate thank you notes ASAP.
  • pearlaquapearlaqua member
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    edited July 2012
    Here's a way to tell us without telling us:

    Is it a small global religious group? (Like...Zoroastrians...don't tell us...but something like that)

    An ethnic minority most places that is somehow overrepresented in your geographical area? (Armenians in Boston, Mennonites in California would be examples)

    Is it a national group with a strong American presence? (Poles in Chicago, Jews in NY)

    Is it a primarily first-generation cultural group with a religion that formes the core of their social grouping? (Greek Orthodox, Mexican Catholics)

    A regional majority group? (Mormons in Utah, Amish in Pennsylvania)

    I, too, am curious because they made SUCH a big to-do about doing a 2nd reception according to culture and then went and hijacked the occasion and embarrassed you to boot...
  • In Response to Re:My big fat second reception faux pas.:[QUOTE]In Response to Re:My big fat second reception faux pas.:Out of curiosity, what culture is your DH from? You keep mentioning that's cultural, so I'm curious lol.Posted by Simply FatedI don't want to say because they have such a small population in the U.S., but I'll PM you if I can figure out how. Posted by DelBride2012[/QUOTE]

    Now I'm even more curious lol!

    Just be glad that it's over and the next time they try to talk you into something you're uncomfortable with, remember this moment and just say no! :
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  • I'm curious how you were surprised at who they invited, you must have given them a guest list? Is there particular cultural garb you would wear? Were you wearing that? I'm sure this isn't the appropriate reaction but I would maybe vent to a few loud mouths about the situation as long as they aren't in a circle with the ILs. But ya, that's mortifying.
  • I have a suspicion I know which group you are talking about, especially if they are overrepresented in a neighboring state. 

    That being said, I have a hard time believing that we gave a thumbs up for a second reception. I was going to go look, but your posts are private. 

    Anyway, if your IL's represented that this would be a cultural affair, but did something utterly different, that isn't really your fault. I can understand how it makes you feel, certainly, but there isn't anything that you can actually do. Mentioning in a thank you note would make it worse and even more awkward. Just be sure that YOU follow all the proper etiquette and that's as far as you can go.  If someone who attended asks you, you can be honest with them about the situation. "My IL's had stated they wanted to have a cultural affair, but they got a bit carried away in wanting to celebrate their only son's wedding. I do apologize if you felt in any way slighted. How about those Bears? Think they are going to be any good this year?" 
  • Hm.  Of course, it was presented to us and to the OP differently than it was executed so, therein lies the real difference.
  • hccpsuhccpsu member
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    edited July 2012
    I don't think you should feel bad about a reception that you didn't throw.  I hope the invitations were worded that your ILs hosted it. 

    What's done is done.  You kept the family peace, and while it might not have been what you wanted, just try not to dwell on it.

    Also, I'm not sure how large your first reception was, but personally, I would understand a second reception if the wedding was 1000 miles away.  Maybe not two, 300-people receptions, but if you had a small first reception, it is okay to have something later (according to Emily Post).

    And I think that the people that "hinted" your reception was fake were rather rude.
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    [QUOTE]I would have been mortified too.  What does your H think of how it turned out?  My in-laws wanted to do something similar for us, but we flat out declined.  Their idea of a second reception was something that would completely mimic our first reception, but would include just their family.  We wanted one wedding for both of our families, not two different ones.  Did you do anything that honored H's culture in your real wedding?
    Posted by melb2013[/QUOTE]

    DH is used to getting steamrolled over, so he just told me to focus on the fact that for the "legal" wedding, we got what we wanted.

    We did do a few private things to honor his culture (and those are things that are traditionally private).
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    [QUOTE]Here's a way to tell us without telling us: Is it a small global religious group? (Like...Zoroastrians...don't tell us...but something like that) An ethnic minority most places that is somehow overrepresented in your geographical area? (Armenians in Boston, Mennonites in California would be examples) Is it a national group with a strong American presence? (Poles in Chicago, Jews in NY) Is it a primarily first-generation cultural group with a religion that formes the core of their social grouping? (Greek Orthodox, Mexican Catholics) A regional majority group? (Mormons in Utah, Amish in Pennsylvania) I, too, am curious because they made SUCH a big to-do about doing a 2nd reception according to culture and then went and hijacked the occasion and embarrassed you to boot...
    Posted by pearlaqua[/QUOTE]

    BIG religious group, but an evangelized country/ethnic group.

    Not over-represented anywhere in the U.S.; almost all immigration from this country to the U.S. has been in the last 30 years.

    As I said in my other thread, in their culture, the ceremony is usually private with multiple reception-like parties to follow, so for them and their culturally-similar guests, it was totally appropriate.
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    [QUOTE]I'm curious how you were surprised at who they invited, you must have given them a guest list? Is there particular cultural garb you would wear? Were you wearing that? I'm sure this isn't the appropriate reaction but I would maybe vent to a few loud mouths about the situation as long as they aren't in a circle with the ILs. But ya, that's mortifying.
    Posted by TheSlowskys[/QUOTE]
    I didn't see a guest list because it was all their friends and family, on the other side of the country, apart from my parents and siblings. Also, because I was 1) finishing an academic program with final exams 3 weeks before this event 2) planning a separate reception and ceremony 2 weeks prior to this event 3) 3 months pregnant with morning sickness 4) starting a new job. None of those things are good excuses, but maybe they explain in your mind why I wasn't very involved with this event. I mean, my in-laws didn't particularly want me involved, since it was "their" reception, but I was frankly happy to be relieved of any duties related to it.
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  • aragx6aragx6 member
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    The suggestion to as quickly as you can get out very gracious thank you notes is a good one. What's done is done, and I do understand why you're upset, but try to move on.

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    [QUOTE]Hm.  Of course, it was presented to us and to the OP differently than it was executed so, therein lies the real difference.
    Posted by Snippylynn[/QUOTE]

    Totally agree. I came back to post  this because if someone ever came in a similar position, I would want her to know this story.

    Now that I think about it more, we actually did do a version of the important reception elements. They were all just white-washed beyond recognition. I think they really did this to make me feel more comfortable, but instead it just made it totally unrecognizable to Americans.

    Anyway, I feel better having confessed to E.
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    [QUOTE]I don't think you should feel bad about a reception that you didn't throw.  I hope the invitations were worded that your ILs hosted it.  What's done is done.  You kept the family peace, and while it might not have been what you wanted, just try not to dwell on it. Also, I'm not sure how large your first reception was, but personally, I would understand a second reception if the wedding was 1000 miles away.  Maybe not two, 300-people receptions, but if you had a small first reception, it is okay to have something later (according to Emily Post). And I think that the people that "hinted" your reception was fake were rather rude.
    Posted by hccpsu[/QUOTE]

    Our first ceremony and reception was less than 50 people: immediate family and our mutual friends in our home city, ceremony officiated by a judge on-site with brunch right after.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re:My big fat second reception faux pas. : I didn't see a guest list because it was all their friends and family, on the other side of the country, apart from my parents and siblings. Also, because I was 1) finishing an academic program with final exams 3 weeks before this event 2) planning a separate reception and ceremony 2 weeks prior to this event 3) 3 months pregnant with morning sickness 4) starting a new job. None of those things are good excuses, but maybe they explain in your mind why I wasn't very involved with this event. I mean, my in-laws didn't particularly want me involved, since it was "their" reception, but I was frankly happy to be relieved of any duties related to it.
    Posted by DelBride2012[/QUOTE]

    Delbride - I wasn't trying to place blame on you - I was just curious, and I think I ready your OP wrong ("But that's not the only group of people they invited! DH's parents invited a ton of culturally American people (co-workers, family friends) who kept asking me about the "real" wedding and generally (fairly) hinting at how this was really a fake reception").  I was incorrectly reading that to mean that the culturally American People they invited were your friends/coworkers/family friends.  Looking at your post again and the follow up comments its clear that the only people in your circle were your family and siblings. At least they sound like people you don't see regularly.
  • I am so sorry you were embarrassed, but it sounds like going along with the plan kept the peace with your new ILs.  Etiquette rules in the US don't span across the globe, so if it was OK in the other country, then that is totally fine I think.
  • hccpsuhccpsu member
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: My big fat second reception faux pas. : Our first ceremony and reception was less than 50 people: immediate family and our mutual friends in our home city, ceremony officiated by a judge on-site with brunch right after.
    Posted by DelBride2012[/QUOTE]

    Then even though you didn't want a big to-do for the second reception (and you had nothing to do with that!), technically you were still within  the Emily Post etiquette guidelines (EP Wedding Etiquette, 5th edition).

    As everyone has said, don't acknowledge anything the "guests" said in your TY.  Just send a gracious thank you and remember that you did something to please your ILs.
  • Is it bad that I would consider including "Thank you so much for coming to my in-laws' reception for us [then the rest of the note]" ??

    Kind of...wash my hands of the whole thing... But then someone would show the note to the ILs and we'd be back to square one.
  • I've been to a second reception a few years ago, and I'm going to another one in a few months. As long as people are open about the "we are having two parties in different locations to be more convinient" aspect, then no one cares. I guess your in-laws weren't communicative enough? Anyway, don't worry about it. People chose to show up regardless. Maybe they were just curious as to where your real wedding was or just wanted to make small talk? It's probably not as bad as you think.
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