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Soothing my FMIL (long, sorry)

Let me start by saying I normally have a very good relationship with my FMIL.  She's a sweet, giving, and generous woman.  Her husband passed away a few years ago and her only child, my FI, is her whole world.  She's been very excited about the wedding, and for the most part has not made many demands that we couldn't meet.

Except today she done gone crazy.

We're having a small 100 person wedding, so ten tables of 9-12 people.  FMIL wants to shareTable One with my parents and a few of their siblings (fine), then she gave me a specific list of who her side should be grouped with, which we accommodated as best we could when combined with who on my side can and can't sit together, and she wants all the tables around her to be her friends and family, which isn't possible

I had FI call her and explain that she can either A) sit at Table Five and have more friends around her B) host her own table separate from my parents so she can have more of her friends and family around her or C) just accept that the tables aren't going to be to her exact specifications, but everything will be fine.

If we did what she asked, the bridal party/best man would be 30 feet away from us when giving their speeches and my side would be uncomfortably mixed with divorces couples and people with VERY different political viewpoints sitting together.  I would say they can all be adults and behave, but we've had some uh, boisterous conversations at holiday gatherings so we chose to separate some people.  I assume it is the same with her side, so we did the best we could to make everything work out on both ends as was possible.  I'm sure these are the exact same things everyone deals with when assigning tables.

After being on the phone with FI for 20 minutes while he explained the situation to her all I have is a FI that feels annoyed and slightly guilty and an email from FMIL about how important this seating is to her and that is it "protocol" to have the families near the parents of the bride and groom and this is going to basically tear her family apart.  Also how I should have dealt with her directly instead of getting FI involved and having him upset with her now.   None of FI's logic or explanations seemed to have sunk in at all. 

A big factor is TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO when her brother got married she was seated at a random table with cousins instead of in the front with her siblings.  She is still seething mad about this and has brought it up at least twice a month for the five years I've been daing FI.  She's terrified of her brother's wife, and even though she doesn't like her it is important to her to impress her by treating them  the opposite way of how she feels she was treated.  I'm really not interested in having my wedding be the grounds on which to settle this silly feud, especially if it costs us an extra $400 to have the extra tables we would need.

The wedding is in a little over a week, and tensions are running high.  I would love a little advice on how to smooth things over.  It isn't feasible to accommodate all her demands although we did the best we could.  I did give my mom a heads up since they're close, so hopefully a little MOB & MOG talk will help.  I just really don't want this to affect our relationship permanently.  Its the first time FI and I have teamed up and clashed with her over something "serious" and I think she's just stressed about the wedding and possibly feeling she's "losing" her son.  He's irritated with her for being so dramatic and isn't helping the situation.

I'm going to let her cool off a little and send the updated seating chart later today and CC my mom and FI in, but I don't want another explosion over it.

Now I'm cranky and stressed at work trying to figure out how to fix this.

CN: FMIL has unrealistic expectations of the seating plan and is upset with me for having FI talk to her about it.

Re: Soothing my FMIL (long, sorry)

  • It honestly sounds like so far you've handled it the best way you can.  Since it's his mom, it seems totally appropriate for him to be the one to talk to her.  I wonder if she thought it would be easier to get her own way if she dealt with you?

    You've given her perfectly reasonable options, and if she persists in being dissatisfied, maybe it would be best to just, well, table the discussion?  Tell her that you're doing your best to accommodate the comfort and happiness of ALL of your guests, and that you will certainly take her requests into consideration when finalizing the seating.

    Beyond that, there's not a whole lot that I can see you doing, beyond crossing your fingers and hoping she finds her big-girl panties.
  • Am I correct in assuming the extra tables would help? Would she be willing to kick in the $400?
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  • I think hosting her own table would be fine, why doesn't she want to do that?

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  • aragx6aragx6 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_soothing-my-fmil-long-sorry?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:5cea3edc-de7a-408e-81e0-62534d8eb543Post:09641079-85ae-4b95-8774-268dfeb70399">Re: Soothing my FMIL (long, sorry)</a>:
    [QUOTE]I think hosting her own table would be fine, why doesn't she want to do that?
    Posted by MrsKathyC[/QUOTE]

    This was my immediate question as well.
    Lizzie
  • edited June 2012
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_soothing-my-fmil-long-sorry?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:5cea3edc-de7a-408e-81e0-62534d8eb543Post:03725a21-fd85-4623-bdd4-f051874ecff8">Re: Soothing my FMIL (long, sorry)</a>:
    [QUOTE]Am I correct in assuming the extra tables would help? Would she be willing to kick in the $400?
    Posted by runpipparun[/QUOTE]

    My parents are paying.  She would pay the money, but she's just retired and still adjusting her finances so she can cover her bills and mortgage.  I wouldn't be comfortable taking the money from her.If we did add the extra tables it would basically be two or three tables of 4-6 guests instead of ten, which would be weird. Plus it the extra tables would still not be surrounding hers.  So that isn't a real option anyway.

    I think at this point getting her to accept A, B, or C is our goal.  Also making sure she doesn't feel like I'm taking FI from her and we don't care about her feelings.  I've never seen her act this way before, I think the wedding stress has somehow blown this detail out of proportion for her and she can't see past it.

    EDIT: She doesn't want to host her own table because she can't fit all of her friends and family there and she's afraid someone will get insulted.
  • I think you've handled this really well, and the choices you gave her are fair and reasonable.  Obviously you should try to accommodate her family groupings as much as possible, but her demanding that she sit with your parents AND that every surrounding table be filled with HER family is just rude to your family.  I assume you and FI have pointed out to her that putting all her family around the parent table would be a slight to all of your family in the exact way she's trying to prevent on her side?

    Especially with only 10 tables no table is going to be that far from the action.

    Just keep being polite and being firm. Good luck!
  • SB1512SB1512 member
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    Unless you are not having a DJ/band/any kind of music, are people really even going to be sitting at their tables for very long?  At most weddings I've gone to, after dinner almost everyone leaves their tables to mingle (with the exception of some of the eldery who have mobility issues) so I think she is overreacting to this and any one of the options you've presented her are fine.
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_soothing-my-fmil-long-sorry?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:5cea3edc-de7a-408e-81e0-62534d8eb543Post:f4983c63-29b4-4fdd-86b4-0ccaa1a092ac">Re: Soothing my FMIL (long, sorry)</a>:
    [QUOTE]Who's paying?
    Posted by chelseamb11[/QUOTE]

    I hate when this is the response to a situation like this. Yes if she were paying they should try and meet her requests, the key word being TRY. If the requests logistically don't work together, and a decision has to be made, options will have to be selected.

    It's not as simple as "Who's paying?" Way to contribute.

    OP I think the only thing you can do at this point is to try and have FI give her the options one more time. Or is it possible the two of you could discuss this issue with her together, since it seems she's upset you didn't come to her with this.

    It sounds like she's used to getting her way with your FI, and is surprised that he's not making this work for her. I'm glad he's in agreement with you and hope he can stick to his guns on the three options provided.
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  • If she's not paying I would not even share the final seating arrangement with her. Your FI needs to tell her "mom, the seating is finished. We accommodated as many of your requests as we could without incurring extra costs. We hope you can relax and enjoy yourself with the family and friends in attendance.". And leave it at that. Don't show it to her and don't discuss it again.
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_soothing-my-fmil-long-sorry?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:5cea3edc-de7a-408e-81e0-62534d8eb543Post:5aec5f50-3e12-41e3-9db7-80a5a9af5891">Re: Soothing my FMIL (long, sorry)</a>:
    [QUOTE]I think you've handled this really well, and the choices you gave her are fair and reasonable.  Obviously you should try to accommodate her family groupings as much as possible, but her demanding that she sit with your parents<strong> AND that every surrounding table be filled with HER family is just rude to your family.  I assume you and FI have pointed out to her that putting all her family around the parent table would be a slight to all of your family in the exact way she's trying to prevent on her side?</strong> Especially with only 10 tables no table is going to be that far from the action. Just keep being polite and being firm. Good luck!
    Posted by Kate61487[/QUOTE]

    This is a very good point. She's trying not to slight her family, but will end up slighting yours in the end. So it's ok for her to be rude to your family, but just not hers.
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  • UPDATE:

    I just received another short email from FMIL.  She basically listed her "solution" by reiterating how she wants her family/friends set up, even though it conflicts with what we need to do to have everyone fit.  Which we told her this morning.  She's being polite but she just isn't getting it at all.  I'm frustrated.

    "I hope that Tables 9 and 10 will be near me since they are my family. 
    Smirky, I always try to be agreeable and not cause any problems but I sincerely hope you can understand where I am coming from with this.   The last thing in the world I'd want to do is to cause you a problem.   But there is protocol I need to follow and hopefully this will not pose any difficulty and the suggestions I've made above will prove to be workable."


    What is this protocol she keeps talking about?!  Is there general seating etiquette that I'm missing?

    I swear, I feel like this wedding has caused her temporary insanity, because she's not processing anything we tell her and she's never acted selfish or demanding before.  I really need her to get over this, because its not going to work her way and I swear, no one is going to throw a fit over being at table 8 in a 100 person wedding!

    Vent over.  I'm going to let my mom and FI deal with her until she comes to her senses.  I feel like my patience is running thin at this point.


  • aragx6aragx6 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_soothing-my-fmil-long-sorry?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:5cea3edc-de7a-408e-81e0-62534d8eb543Post:7365c208-1f27-438d-8ad2-17f9dcf91f64">Re: Soothing my FMIL (long, sorry)</a>:
    [QUOTE]UPDATE: I just received another short email from FMIL.  She basically listed her "solution" by reiterating how she wants her family/friends set up, even though it conflicts with what we need to do to have everyone fit.  Which we told her this morning.  She's being polite but she just isn't getting it at all.  I'm frustrated. " I hope that Tables 9 and 10 will be near me since they are my family.  Smirky, I always try to be agreeable and not cause any problems but I sincerely hope you can understand where I am coming from with this.   The last thing in the world I'd want to do is to cause you a problem.   But there is protocol I need to follow and hopefully this will not pose any difficulty and the suggestions I've made above will prove to be workable." <strong>What is this protocol she keeps talking about?!  Is there general seating etiquette that I'm missing?</strong> I swear, I feel like this wedding has caused her temporary insanity, because she's not processing anything we tell her and she's never acted selfish or demanding before.  I really need her to get over this, because its not going to work her way and I swear, no one is going to throw a fit over being at table 8 in a 100 person wedding! Vent over.  I'm going to let my mom and FI deal with her until she comes to her senses.  I feel like my patience is running thin at this point.
    Posted by SmirkySmile63[/QUOTE]

    No. That's nonsense.

    Given that she was upset that FI was dealing with this, I might honestly send her back an email. Be annoyingly nice, but explain again in writing why her option is an issue.
    Lizzie
  • PP-  I think you're right, even though I don't want you to be. I emailed her.  I just don't want to start a trend where she avoids fighting with her son by fighting with me, KWIM?

    I sent her, FI, and my mom the list with the updates that we could accommodate.  It meant splitting up people on my side that should really be sitting together, but I spoke to my mom about it this morning and got her OK. 

    This may sound a little b*tchy, but I feel I've compromised enough on this issue and made my sacrifices, and the list as is is what is staying unless FMIL wants to choose option A or B.  She can compromise a bit too.

    If I ever get so ridiculous over a perceived slight a quarter of a century ago I hope someone calls me out on it, because she just looks crazy right now.  Or at least incredibly immature.  Of course my email to her was sweet-as-pie and full of "I understand"s, but if I get another one back like the first two I don't know how I'm going to handle it.

    And thank you for giving me a place to vent while I figure this out.  I'd rather do it to a room full of internet strangers than to FMIL, or FI who hates being in the middle.
  • LoopysevenLoopyseven member
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    edited June 2012
    Glad you're muddling through.  Outside of seating couples together, there is no hard and fast rule about seating that I'm aware of.  Common courtesy says don't put grandma Myrna right in front of the DJ's speakers, etc.  I also had a 100 person wedding.  Seriously, there were 12 tables.  I don't think anyone had a "bad" seat.  My MIL didn't want to sit with her mom/sister/brothers, she wanted to sit with her friends.  I had a hard time letting MIL's friends (who we see maybe once a year) sit with her at a table next to us, while H's grandma (sweetest lady ever) was a few tables away.  I wanted to tell MIL fine - sit with your friends, but I'm putting you at the table in the corner and GMIL and the aunts and uncles can sit at a table next to us, but H talked me down HAHA.  Weddings really do bring out the crazy in the most unlikely people.
  • edited June 2012
    I think the mystery of why she was "randomly" put so far away from the center of the action at that wedding 25 years ago has been solved.  Lady is crazy-pants and no one wants to sit by her. =) 

    I loved PPs advice to just finish your seating chart, DON'T show it to her, and let her know you did the best you could. I'd say she'll get over it, but obviously she won't.  At this point though, it's her choice to hold onto the bitterness and act like a child and you shouldn't let it worry you.
  • It's your wedding, do the best to accommodate her, but keep your friends close to you. I could never understand why a bride and groom's wishes are supposed to get pushed aside just to please other people who aren't the ones getting married. It's ridiculous. Your FMIL will just have to get over it.

    I lucked out b/c H's family is very big, but his immediate family is super small. It's just him and his mom, so I put his mom at a table with her brother and the brother's family. Then my family was at a table and my BM's and their SO's were at a table, and the GM's were at another table. H and I had our own table, we didn't want the drama of figuring out which family/WP members would sit with us.
  • j-harveyj-harvey member
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    edited October 2013
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