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MOB sort of fighting with another guest....help!

I am getting married next June and the family is chomping at the bit about the invitation list.  Will be a 120-ish person wedding, so there is significant planning to do.  That being said, there is one woman (Emily, we'll call her), who has been a family friend since my parents were in college.  I used to summer at her house, her son summered at my place, every year different holidays were spent at eachother's houses....you get the idea.  Well, Emily met a man who none of us like bc she constantly tells us he is a douche (not the story here).  I guess more recently he proposed and she accepted, and put it on Facebook instead of personally calling my mother.  My mother is livid, and a fight has ensued. 

So now, with the wedding planning, I want Emily there, she has been like a mother to me, but I know my mom is not happy with her.  They have resolved the fight to a point where they rarely talk and they just don't talk about that subject.  So can I still invite Emily?  She and I are not fighting, and I certainly want her their for my day (she also lost her only son a few years ago, so she has said before that I am literally like a daughter to her now).  At the same time, I don't want to upset my mother.....I desperately need help!

Re: MOB sort of fighting with another guest....help!

  • Do people really call it "summering"?
  • Your wedding is in a year.  No one needs your guest list this early.  I imagine, in 6 months... this will all blow over. 

    Tell whoever is asking for the guest list that you anticipate it being "around 120 people, but the list hasn't been finalized yet".   End of discussion.
  • Is your mom paying or are you?
    if you're paying, you could invite her, but will your mom me mad at you or will she understand that the fight is between her and Emily and not you and Emily?
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  • egm900egm900 member
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    June is a long ways off, and it is possible this will become a complete non-issue between now and when you need to know exactly who is on the guest list.  I would wait and see, then figure out what to do based on how strongly your mother feels about it, who is paying for the wedding, etc.  It sounds like it would be deeply hurtful to you to not include Emily, and if you explain this to your mother, she may put her issues aside.  But take a wait and see approach for now.
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    [QUOTE]Do people really call it "summering"?
    Posted by cew515[/QUOTE]

    In Newport and Cape Cod, yes, we do call it "summering".
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    [QUOTE]Your wedding is in a year.  No one needs your guest list this early.  I imagine, in 6 months... this will all blow over.  Tell whoever is asking for the guest list that you anticipate it being "around 120 people, but the list hasn't been finalized yet".   End of discussion.
    Posted by cmgilpin[/QUOTE]

    Unfortunately, it is my mom that is asking.  And she is asking about it in front of other people who some are invited, and some aren't.  She even asked if a couple was gonna be added to the list IN FRONT OF THEM.  I am trying to brush it off bc 1. it is inapropro timing and 2. the wedding is SO FAR away for finalized guest lists!  But how do you brush your mom off?
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    [QUOTE]June is a long ways off, and it is possible this will become a complete non-issue between now and when you need to know exactly who is on the guest list.  I would wait and see, then figure out what to do based on how strongly your mother feels about it, who is paying for the wedding, etc.  It sounds like it would be deeply hurtful to you to not include Emily, and if you explain this to your mother, she may put her issues aside.  But take a wait and see approach for now.
    Posted by egm900[/QUOTE]

    I whole-heartedly beleive it will be a non-issue.  And as far as finances, she and my dad are paying for about 1/4 of the etire event.  I have inclduded aobut 40 of her friends and family (only inviting 13 of my own friends) already!
  • egm900egm900 member
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    You say we're still trying to decide exactly what we want to figure out how many guests we can accommodate or we're still finalizing the guest list and then follow with a conversation changer (the weather, the food if you're eating anything, etc.).  Since it's your mom I would tell her it makes you feel uncomfortable when she does this because you really don't know yet and feel put on the spot.
  • uhm...two grown women are fighting over FB.  I understand your mom maybe being hurt, but to let this interfere with your wedding seems ridiculous to me.  Invite Emily.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: MOB sort of fighting with another guest....help! : Unfortunately, it is my mom that is asking.  And she is asking about it in front of other people who some are invited, and some aren't.  She even asked if a couple was gonna be added to the list IN FRONT OF THEM.  I am trying to brush it off bc 1. it is inapropro timing and 2. the wedding is SO FAR away for finalized guest lists!  <strong>But how do you brush your mom off?</strong>
    Posted by jaysha04[/QUOTE]
    <div>The next time she puts you on the spot, tell her, "We don't have the list finailzed." </div><div>
    </div><div>Is she always controlling? Can you pull her aside and tell her if she puts you on the spot like that again, you're eloping? I don't know what your mom is like how or she'd react to different things. For instance, I love my dad to death, but he sometimes says things in front of people that makes me want to pinch him. I just give him a "look" and he quiets down. We always laugh about it later because heaven knows I've inherited Foot in Mouth Syndrome from him lol. But is your mom doing these things on purpose to get her friends invited or is she really ignorant that these things are wrong to do?</div><div>
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    [QUOTE]uhm...two grown women are fighting over FB.  I understand your mom maybe being hurt, but to let this interfere with your wedding seems ridiculous to me.  Invite Emily.
    Posted by HockeyFan4[/QUOTE]

    There are other factors in the fight, I didn't want to post long.  But it seems that Emily lies to my mom about things, big things and little things.  My mom has explained it as things she had noticed but never really thought about until this last issue.  But nonetheless, at the end of the day, I am not the one with the issue and feel that my mom pretty much has to suck it up.  Am I out of line for feeling this way?
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: MOB sort of fighting with another guest....help! : There are other factors in the fight, I didn't want to post long.  But it seems that Emily lies to my mom about things, big things and little things.  My mom has explained it as things she had noticed but never really thought about until this last issue.  But nonetheless, at the end of the day, I am not the one with the issue and feel that my mom pretty much has to suck it up.  Am I out of line for feeling this way?
    Posted by jaysha04[/QUOTE]
    I'm with you in that this fight is between them and your mom shouldn't be putting you in the middle of this.<div>Is your mom the one paying for your wedding or are you paying?</div>
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  • @ edielaura thank you! I missed that post. 


    OP, if you're paying for the guest's expenses then it's really up to you whether or not you invite her. I would wait and see if it blows over, but in the end, it's your guest list and not your mom's.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: MOB sort of fighting with another guest....help! : The next time she puts you on the spot, tell her, "We don't have the list finailzed."  Is she always controlling? Can you pull her aside and tell her if she puts you on the spot like that again, you're eloping? I don't know what your mom is like how or she'd react to different things. For instance, I love my dad to death, but he sometimes says things in front of people that makes me want to pinch him. I just give him a "look" and he quiets down. We always laugh about it later because heaven knows I've inherited Foot in Mouth Syndrome from him lol. But is your mom doing these things on purpose to get her friends invited or is she really ignorant that these things are wrong to do?
    Posted by Simply Fated[/QUOTE]

    She IS always controlling!  But, like her, I am controlling and strong-willed as well :)  I just don't want to be the "young ignorant" one and offend her.  I am going to sit down and talk with her I think, and maybe start using a "look" or something, like you do, so she'll know when it starts to go down the wrong path.  I honestly think my mom is doing it on purpose to get her way.
  • Lisa50Lisa50 member
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    Of course you may invite her.  It IS your wedding, correct?
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: MOB sort of fighting with another guest....help! : She IS always controlling!  But, like her, I am controlling and strong-willed as well :)  I just don't want to be the "young ignorant" one and offend her.  I am going to sit down and talk with her I think, and maybe start using a "look" or something, like you do, so she'll know when it starts to go down the wrong path.  I honestly think my mom is doing it on purpose to get her way.
    Posted by jaysha04[/QUOTE]
    My dad and I are super close, so it's not a nasty look, just a <em>knowing</em> look. I don't want your mom to make you out to be the "ignorant" one.<div>
    </div><div>I think a talk might be a good idea, just so you can wrangle her back in and let her know you are on to her and don't appreciate her backing you into a corner in front of these people.</div>
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: MOB sort of fighting with another guest....help! : The next time she puts you on the spot, tell her, "We don't have the list finailzed."  Is she always controlling? Can you pull her aside and tell her if she puts you on the spot like that again, you're eloping? I don't know what your mom is like how or she'd react to different things. For instance, I love my dad to death, but he sometimes says things in front of people that makes me want to pinch him. I just give him a "look" and he quiets down. We always laugh about it later because heaven knows I've inherited Foot in Mouth Syndrome from him lol. But is your mom doing these things on purpose to get her friends invited or is she really ignorant that these things are wrong to do?
    Posted by Simply Fated[/QUOTE]

    And also, I technically am already married.  My H and I wanted to have a small thing before he was getting activated (he is army) with the parents, only 2 grandparents still alive and the eachother's siblings.  I asked for there to be no cake, no flowers, no decorations, nothing.  Mom kept trying to buy streamers and flowers and cake and stuff, so we eloped.  So we can't even hold that over her head!  Now I feel like I am going through it all over again with the "white wedding" (as my H calls it).  I want this to be a fun, bonding experience between daughter and mother, and she is not cooperating.  But she is quick to call me BrideZilla- I needed some outside advice, hence why I'm here :)
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: MOB sort of fighting with another guest....help! : And also, I technically am already married.  My H and I wanted to have a small thing before he was getting activated (he is army) with the parents, only 2 grandparents still alive and the eachother's siblings.  I asked for there to be no cake, no flowers, no decorations, nothing.  Mom kept trying to buy streamers and flowers and cake and stuff, so we eloped.  So we can't even hold that over her head!  Now I feel like I am going through it all over again with the "white wedding" (as my H calls it).  I want this to be a fun, bonding experience between daughter and mother, and she is not cooperating.  But she is quick to call me BrideZilla- I needed some outside advice, hence why I'm here :)
    Posted by jaysha04[/QUOTE]
    I'm confused.  Are you having a wedding or a vowel renewal?  Cause it sure sounds like a vowel renewal
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: MOB sort of fighting with another guest....help! : I'm confused.  Are you having a wedding or a vowel renewal?  Cause it sure sounds like a <strong>vowel renewal
    </strong>Posted by ChristineNB[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: MOB sort of fighting with another guest....help! : I'm confused.  Are you having a wedding or a vowel renewal?  Cause it sure sounds like a vowel renewal
    Posted by ChristineNB[/QUOTE]
    ...or a vow renewal. <div>
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  • bongebonge member
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    Since you are already married you had a wedding. This is a vow renewal. You can invite her. Also june is a long ways a way, a lot can happen in that time. Your mom sounds petty if she is that peeved about not being personally told, i was so caught up in my excitement i did not tell everyone in person, my head was gone & i forgot people. It is easy to do. Is she going to throw a friendship away because of that?
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  • It doesn't matter if we are married or not already.  My husband thought he was getting deployed, so we eloped to have everything official in case anything happened.  I always wanted a normal, big wedding, and his family is old school Portuguese and feel that we aren't really "married" bc we didn't do it in the eyes of god (ie in a church).  So now we are doing the whole thing, as if we had never eloped.  The ceremony will be a renewing of vows, but everything that a normal wedding would have is happeneing.  Getting ready pictures, bridesmaids, walk down the aisle, exchange rings, first dances (we are having the MC say something funny to point out that we were already married), cake cutting and all of that.  I don't see what that has to do with anything, we are still inviting people to a full ceremony and reception and we are in this awkward situation.  My mom can be a B**** and apparently, yes, she is willing to throw this friendship away over something petty, but all I want is to be able to have 2 very important woman in my life there and I just haven't been able to figure out a way to do it with as little damage as possible.
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    It matters because you should be wording this whole thing as a vow renewal. Calling it a wedding and inviting your guests to a wedding is deceiving to your guests. That implies you are just now marrying for the first time, which isn't the case. And please, please, don't keep the fact that you are legally married a secret from your guests. I can't tell if you are or not, but you said the MC was going to jokingly point out you were already married, so I'm just not sure.

    As far as Emily, wait a little while; you don't have to invite people yet, and see how things stand between her and your mom.


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