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While at dinner with the Expats group on Friday, one of the new French guys said, "It's funny that all of the Americans I meet in Europe are Democrats.  Why is that?"

I didn't have an answer.  Do you? 

(And please, let's not have this devolve into Republicans are rednecks and Democrats are.. whatever.  I don't know.  But let's put our thinking caps on and come up with reasonable answers! :D)

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    I'm not sure.  I'm a libertarian and I lived in Germany for 8 years.

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    [QUOTE]I did no such thing....but now I am tired of this childish banter.  Good luck to you and your SO
    Posted by KingCheryl[/QUOTE]

    I agree, talking to you has been a pretty childish experience.
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    A few things, I'm late to this but just for good measure.

    1. I'm conservative, went to a very liberal school, was in a sorority, and spent a whole year away -- half in France and half in Washington, DC.  And, many many of my sisters spent at least a January term if not a semester abroad. Theory disproved.

    2. When I lived in France, my host brother was running his mouth about how he didn't like George W. Bush and blah blah blah, I entertained it for a while and finally said to him, "You hate him so much, but do you know anything about his competitor?"  The answer?  A big, fat, staring into space, mouth hanging open, "No." 

    It's stuff like this that gets to me most...when people spout off about how much they dislike something, but yet have no knowledge of the alternative.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Interesting Comment : It is an overwhelmingly conservative school, and our study-abroad students would definitely be more likely to be Republicans than say students from UCLA... Out of my SA group of 14, I think that probably 10 of them strongly identified with the Republican party.   But my original point was that not many fraternity/sorority members went abroad.  I think we had only one fraternity member in that group.  Did you notice the same tendency in your SA group?
    Posted by ExpatPumpkin[/QUOTE]

    I had to think about that for a minute.  As a whole, yeah, not a lot of Greeks.  The people I bonded with were, but I think Greeks tend to gravitate towards other Greeks!  Thinking about it now, though, when you are in a fraternity or a sorority, you are so busy with all of that, it's hard to imagine giving that up for a semester.  I know it was something I personally struggled with.  I felt like I missed a lot while I was gone, but obviously that couldn't have replaced what I would have missed had I not studied abroad.  But I definitely see what you are saying!
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    [QUOTE]<strong>I think though that it's because so many people don't bother to separate being fiscally conservative with being morally (there's a better word for that I'm sure) conservative.   Just because someone prefers a small government doesn't mean they disagree with homosexual marriage.</strong> Even if they do there's nothing wrong with it since we're all allowed to have our beliefs, but I'm just saying they don't always go hand in hand.
    Posted by tlv204[/QUOTE]

    THIS!!!   Times eleventy!
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    At my daughter's midwestern college, aprox 20,000 undergrad with a greek population of about 35 or 40%, most students do study abroad - including the greeks. I believe believe the student population is a little over 50% Republican. Another interesting fact, the college is actually considering requiring every student to study abroad - whether a semester or a "sprint" which is from about 4 to 8 weeks. 
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    Yeah, um, this wasn't meant (though I certainly should have known it would turn into) a discussion about anyone being better than anyone.  I was looking for the more anectodal and probability related posts from others. 

    FWIW, my grandparents have been staunch republicans their whole lives, and lived in Brazil, Belgium and Mexico for a total of about 20 years.  I had come to many of the same conclusions that others have, that 1) people avoid the topic or lie, 2) that the probability of people who take these moves are often younger, and therefore, more likely to be liberal.

    That being said, I also agree that TLV got it when people don't understand the difference between fiscally conservative (which I am) and a social liberal (which I also am).  That uneducation doesn't stop only with foreigners, it's predominantly spread by Americans and the American media, which works at generalizing political platforms and "dumbing it down" so that "average" Americans can follow and understand.  Most people don't take the time to actually *know* what they agree with, they take most everything at face value. 

    King... whatever your name was.  Your comments about 'ancestors leaving England' is completely ridiculous.  They didn't leave because of a too liberal government "telling them what to do" people left because of a too conservative government, not allowing religious freedom.  This was due to the upheaval that surrounded England in the time before Elizabeth I solidified religion into the Church of England.  Up to that point, there had been a series of radical shifts from Catholicism to Protestantism, and because of that, the people were afraid of having more dissention.  A lot of people were killed, wars were fought, and thrones taken.  So, yeah.  I'd hope that you know your history before you start espousing ideals of "liberalism" in the pre-colonial era.
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    Amoro, why are you still up? 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Interesting Comment : THIS!!!   Times eleventy!
    Posted by goheels05[/QUOTE]
    +1. I have both liberal and conservative views, but they're about different politcal topics. I typically consider myself a libertarian, but vote Republican. and this Republican would LOVE to live abroad. I also go to one of the few schools more conservative than Expat's--Texas A&M. home of the good ol' boys and Bush 41's library.
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    [QUOTE]I did no such thing....but now I am tired of this childish banter.  Good luck to you and your SO
    Posted by KingCheryl[/QUOTE]


    Bwhaha.  I'm going to take that as a "I feel sorry for your husband." 

    Thanks, it's been a while since we've got one of those.
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    [QUOTE]Amoro, why are you still up? 
    Posted by aMrsin09[/QUOTE]

    Why are YOU still up? lol... I'm currently on a Glee marathon and I figured I may as well watch stuff until I fall asleep.  I always have a bit of trouble the first few nights H heads off for business trips.
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    eh, I napped while watching The Hurt Locker and now H is "making nasal noises" and since I can hear it downstairs, upstairs must be worse.

    For entertainment I am reading the "hate" section on the people of Walmart site. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Interesting Comment : Why are YOU still up? lol... I'm currently on a Glee marathon and I figured I may as well watch stuff until I fall asleep.  I always have a bit of trouble the first few nights H heads off for business trips.
    Posted by AmoroAgain[/QUOTE]

    i'm starting to think i need to cave and give glee another shot. do you love it?
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    [QUOTE] I think though that it's because so many people don't bother to separate being fiscally conservative with being morally (there's a better word for that I'm sure) conservative.  
    Posted by tlv204[/QUOTE]

    Social conservative is to what you are referring.

    It was actually a very smart move by the Republican party to re-brand themselves with the social conservatives. There was a time when the Republican party was nearly dead. Then, the Republican party strategically started appealing to people's emotions with hot-button issues like gay marriage and abortion, causing people to vote outside of their socio-economic class because they were too busy worrying about their neighbors than about their home, job, and children's education. It is pretty sad, but brilliant on the part of the Republican party.
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    [QUOTE]AmoroAgain or whatever your name is....I knew exactly what I was talking about I just did not want to bring religion into the conversation...for God sakes any 4th grader would have known what I was referring to. 
    Posted by KingCheryl[/QUOTE]

    Um, no.  No, I don't think so.  You said the British government was too liberal, thereby forcing people to move to a new land becaue they were tired of being told what to do.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Interesting Comment : i'm starting to think i need to cave and give glee another shot. do you love it?
    Posted by SarahSmile23[/QUOTE]

    You should!  Glee is awesome!
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    Amoro, there's no reasoning with KingCheryl. She's obviously impervious to anything like showing her what she said and then asking her why she said it, because didn't you know, YOU'RE the one who got it wrong! Well, I hope she enjoyed coming out of lurkdom and showing everyone her brilliant reasoning and debate skills anyway.

    WAAAHH! People make fun of conservatives! Liberals have no brains! You're too sensitive! I never said that! WAAAAAHHH!
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Interesting Comment : Um, no.  No, I don't think so.  You said the British government was too liberal, thereby forcing people to move to a new land becaue they were tired of being told what to do.
    Posted by AmoroAgain[/QUOTE]

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    You know, this has been niggling in my brain since last night. Since I have been traveling overseas, I think that MORE "Liberal, leading us to a nanny state" types SHOULD travel overseas more.  Yes, the social programs are very socialist leaning, but the day to day life "eh whatevers" would choke some of these people. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Interesting Comment : Social conservative is to what you are referring. It was actually a very smart move by the Republican party to re-brand themselves with the social conservatives. There was a time when the Republican party was nearly dead. Then, the Republican party strategically started appealing to people's emotions with hot-button issues like gay marriage and abortion, causing people to vote outside of their socio-economic class because they were too busy worrying about their neighbors than about their home, job, and children's education. It is pretty sad, but brilliant on the part of the Republican party.
    Posted by emilykathleen511[/QUOTE]
    thanks for the history lesson, but very few republican voters i know are actually socially conservative and the ones who are don't base their vote on social issues. i agree that both republicans and democrats have done a great job hiding behind social issues so that the general public will ignore what they are really up to. that's not unique to the republican party, no matter how annoying they are with it. the dems do it too. but, then again, this is completely off-topic and the goal was to keep this thread focused on expatriots and the such, yes? so let's head back in that direction. do you have anything to contribute on that front?
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Interesting Comment : but, then again, this is completely off-topic and the goal was to keep this thread focused on expatriots and the such, yes? so let's head back in that direction. do you have anything to contribute on that front?
    Posted by SarahSmile23[/QUOTE]
    so glee is relevant?

    emily was responding to tlv's question, the content of which was relevant to the conversation.
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    I'm pretty sure Sarah's point was that we were trying to have this discussion without making obnoxious blanket statements about either party.  Please correct me if I am wrong, Sarah.
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    [QUOTE]I'm pretty sure Sarah's point was that we were trying to have this discussion without making obnoxious blanket statements about either party.  Please correct me if I am wrong, Sarah.
    Posted by goheels05[/QUOTE]

    right. with all the other "don't turn this into a campaign rhetoric conversation/blanket statement conversation" reminders throughout this thread, the only one that faced objection was when i responded to a post where a lefty was generalizing the right. 
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    I have to side with Sarah on this one.  Out of the many Republicans that I know, when actually asked about individual issues like gay marriage, abortion, etc, it seems like most of them either A) don't care, B) aren't really sure about their views, or C) have no problem with it.  Honestly, the only Republicans I can think of off the top of my head that have strong feelings against gay marriage, abortion, stem cell research, etc is Noodle's dad (who listens to Rush Limbaugh religiously and taught his 4 year old grand-daughter the "Barack the Magic Negro" song) and my dad & step-mom, who are both Baptist ministers.  Even Noodle, who is a staunch Republican, admits that he doesn't see the big deal about stem cell research, that he would be fine with civil unions with all the same rights for gays (and churches that chose to marry them, he just doesn't want the constitution changed), and he's on the fence about abortion.

    I almost feel like the Repub party should break up into two camps - those who are socially and fiscally conservative, and those who are just fiscally conservative.  I also think a lot of Repubs probably lean strongly towards Libertarian or Independent views, but balk at being associated with "the crazies" in those camps so continue to vote along what they consider acceptable party lines, even if they don't agree with half of what their party's candidate is saying.
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    I'm a little bit horrified by this "Barack the Magic Negro" song. 
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    [QUOTE]I'm a little bit horrified by this "Barack the Magic Negro" song. 
    Posted by goheels05[/QUOTE]
    me too. i don't know what's worse: the fact that it exists or the fact that it was taught to a child?
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    [QUOTE]I'm a little bit horrified by this "Barack the Magic Negro" song. 
    Posted by goheels05[/QUOTE]

    Seriously, it was so bad.  She was singing it walking down the street.  And they live in Tampa.  Not the best place to be singing something like that.  He also said something to or around her that caused her to point at a really dark guy in the mall, and tell her mother that "he looks like an eight ball!" 
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