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Save the date? Invitations? Head counts? Any way to get an idea early without offending people?

My fiancee and I both have large families. Her family is mainly in TX and mine is scattered to the corners of the country and beyond. I know that traditionally invitations go out 6-8 weeks before the wedding, and that it is becoming accepted to send save the dates out, especially for weddings requiring travel, about 9 months before the wedding date. This all brings me to my question: Is there any acceptable way to get indications from our guests as to their intentions on whether they are able and likely to attend earlier? We have a *working* guest list of over 220, and have fallen in love with a venue that can only accommodate 150. We're also on a budget, and we would like to figure out a more fine-tuned approximate head count to give to the caterers, and to guesstimate our likely costs for food. We feel like a fairly large percentage of the travelling guests are likely to decline, and we've heard that you can typically count on 70%-80% responding with a "no". Still, we don't feel comfortable 'counting' on that, and If everyone responds in the affirmative, it'll be quite a disaster. Then again, if we cut the guest list *down*, and 70%-80% decline our invitation, it'll be a smaller affair than we would like to have!
Any suggestions or insight into this conundrum would be SO helpful. Thanks a lot!

Re: Save the date? Invitations? Head counts? Any way to get an idea early without offending people?

  • Well my wedding was OOT for 100% of the guests and we only had a 20% decline rate.    Always count on 100% and they you will be safe.

    To answer your question. No there really isn't.   There will always be planners and they there will be people like me who can't make plans until 4-6 weeks because of work.   






    What differentiates an average host and a great host is anticipating unexpressed needs and wants of their guests.  Just because the want/need is not expressed, doesn't mean it wouldn't be appreciated. 
  • You're kind of stuck. Because even if there were a good way to "feel out" if a person would come or not, you have to ask them. And if you ask them if they would come to your wedding, I would think you'd need to invite them. And maybe they'll say no... but you'll still need to invite them, and if they decide later they can make it, you have to let them come.
  • You need to decide what's more important: the venue you love or inviting everyone you want to. There is no right or wrong answer, but you can't have both. Seventy people over the venue limit is a LOT. We're not talking just 5 or 10 here (and even if we were, my advice would still be the same). I mean sit down and think about what you would do if more than 150 RSVP'd. You'd be a month or so out from the wedding and not be able to use your venue. That's just not a good option at all.

    There is no way to get a feel for how many can come without invitations. Many people cannot plan this far in advance because of jobs and other things. Plus their situation can change between now and the wedding. You have to plan for 100% attendance, so you'll need to either change your venue or cut back your guest list.


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    [QUOTE]My fiancee and I both have large families. Her family is mainly in TX and mine is scattered to the corners of the country and beyond. I know that traditionally invitations go out 6-8 weeks before the wedding, and that it is becoming accepted to send save the dates out, especially for weddings requiring travel, about 9 months before the wedding date. This all brings me to my question: Is there any acceptable way to get indications from our guests as to their intentions on whether they are able and likely to attend earlier? We have a *working* guest list of over 220, and have fallen in love with a venue that can only accommodate 150. We're also on a budget, and we would like to figure out a more fine-tuned approximate head count to give to the caterers, and to guesstimate our likely costs for food. We feel like a fairly large percentage of the travelling guests are likely to decline, and we've heard that you can typically count on 70%-80% responding with a "no". Still, we don't feel comfortable 'counting' on that, and If everyone responds in the affirmative, it'll be quite a disaster. Then again, if we cut the guest list *down*, and 70%-80% decline our invitation, it'll be a smaller affair than we would like to have! Any suggestions or insight into this conundrum would be SO helpful. Thanks a lot!
    Posted by BryanDet[/QUOTE]

    If you figure this out, you're a damn genius.

    I realized that by trying to be helpful and offer information and stuff in advance, you're setting yourself up for failure.

    I tried this. I got a rough guest count of about 55 people.

    My wedding is 7-8 weeks away and I ended up with about 30 guests (including the officiant and his wife).

    I ended up having to downsize my entire wedding, lose a lot of deposits, etc. Trust me, firing people you've given deposits to and finding a new venue two months out is not something you ever want to try doing.

    My best advice to you, is set an earlier RSVP date than what is normally considered standard (maybe 2 months?) That way, you save headaches of having to wait until 2 weeks before the wedding to know if you're having 75 or 175 guests.
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  • bongebonge member
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    edited June 2012

    70-80% is extremely high. I have many oot people & a 40% decline rate. The only reason it is so high is because it is a major holiday weekend & some people are going away.

    Some of my for sure ppl declined & some i though would decline are coming so this is tough

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    [QUOTE]My fiancee and I both have large families. Her family is mainly in TX and mine is scattered to the corners of the country and beyond. I know that traditionally invitations go out 6-8 weeks before the wedding, and that it is becoming accepted to send save the dates out, especially for weddings requiring travel, about 9 months before the wedding date. This all brings me to my question: Is there any acceptable way to get indications from our guests as to their intentions on whether they are able and likely to attend earlier? We have a *working* guest list of over 220, and have fallen in love with a venue that can only accommodate 150. We're also on a budget, and we would like to figure out a more fine-tuned approximate head count to give to the caterers, and to guesstimate our likely costs for food. We feel like a fairly large percentage of the travelling guests are likely to decline, and we've heard that you can typically count on 70%-80% responding with a "no". Still, we don't feel comfortable 'counting' on that, and If everyone responds in the affirmative, it'll be quite a disaster. Then again, if we cut the guest list *down*, and 70%-80% decline our invitation, it'll be a smaller affair than we would like to have! Any suggestions or insight into this conundrum would be SO helpful. Thanks a lot!
    Posted by BryanDet[/QUOTE]

    <div>Hey, thanks everyone, for the input! That was a huge dyslexic moment, I intended to say 70%-80% accept, and 20%-30% say "no". Sorry for the confusion!</div><div>Sounds like we may have to start cutting down the list, but seriously, if we cut it to 150 and 100-120 respond in the positive, it'll really be a completely different wedding!</div><div>
    </div><div>This stuff isn't fun! Still, I see the wisdom of assuming 100% attendance.</div>
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Save the date? Invitations? Head counts? Any way to get an idea early without offending people? : Hey, thanks everyone, for the input! <strong>That was a huge dyslexic moment</strong>, I intended to say 70%-80% accept, and 20%-30% say "no". Sorry for the confusion! Sounds like we may have to start cutting down the list, but seriously, if we cut it to 150 and 100-120 respond in the positive, it'll really be a completely different wedding! This stuff isn't fun! Still, I see the wisdom of assuming 100% attendance.
    Posted by BryanDet[/QUOTE]

    Are you actually dyslexic?  Because if not, this is terribly rude.

    Welcome to the world of planning a wedding.  We invited 125, only 15 couldn't make it, and we were shocked at who said they couldn't. 
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  • hoffsehoffse member
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    Yeah you can't count on the out-of-towners coming.  My family and I did a rough estimate of who we thought wouldn't bother, and so far every single one of them says they're coming.  It's not a big deal because we can accommodate them, but it's very surprising.  That may change since we're so far out, but we sent an email to our family members letting them know we're engaged and the date - and we've have them ALL say they're flying from California, belgium, etc.
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  • Tami87Tami87 member
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    I agree with previous posters there is really no way to get an early head count. FWIW over half my guest list is OOT. We invited 210 people with everyone who was single and over 18 getting a +1. We got quotes from the caterer based on the full guest list and 170 (which they suggested as a more realistic number). We had the space and budget to host the whole 210 if it happened but obviously wouldn't have been as ideal. RSVPs are due this Friday, and with the way things look I doubt we will have more than 150. Although we also got a few surprises of a yes RSVP from people we thought would not come. So you really never know.

    While I would have loved if everyone could have made it, I completely understand it is hard for people to travel. Honestly, we are looking at it this way, the more people that RSVP no, the more money we save, and we can upgrade things like the bar for the guests that can make it. We are also able to do 8 chairs at most tables instead of 10 so everyone has more room. I think it will also be less stressful trying to visit with everyone.

    I am so glad that we did it this way and budgeted for +1s and a larger number than we have coming. I much rather plan to spend more and then end up being under budget because not everyone can come or wants to bring a date, than trying to squeeze in new SOs or make ends meet when you have more people than expected.
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  • pkontkpkontk member
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    Yeah, almost our entire guest list is OOT.  I know one couple has a scheduled c-section the day after the wedding and won't be able to make it, but apart from that I really don't know that we'll get a lot of No responses.  We shall see!
  • I have several family members and family friends we want to invite from the other side of the country, let me clarify: they ARE invited, but my dad was trying to figure out some lodging for after the wedding, if they wanted to visit with them for a couple days, etc.  I sent out a few emails (I had already sent out save the dates online), just kind of trying to get a feel.  I put how I really hoped to see them, all that, and the bit about my dad trying to figure out who would want to stay in town with them afterwards.  I got a few replies right off the bat, they were all prettymuch a response of unable to attend due to finances (some seemed much more disappointed than others that they couldn't come but were delighted to be invited anyway).  I replied to each of them, being friendly and totally understanding their situation :)  They're still getting sent an actual invitation, but it helped me figure out early that 12 people I hoped would be there aren't going to be, so I was able to be disappointed and move on rather than adding more stress later.  I hope their situation changes and they CAN come, but it's not likely.   I sent only 5 or 6 emails, just to the very far away ones, I wouldn't recommend this for your whole guest list though! ;D
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    <div>Honestly, I think that it's rather rude of you to ask me about my personal medical history in a public forum.</div>
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Save the date? Invitations? Head counts? Any way to get an idea early without offending people? : Honestly, I think that it's rather rude of you to ask me about my personal medical history in a public forum.
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    </div><div>You kind of put it out there. So. Calm down. She's just asking.

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  • Half of our guests were from out of town. All but two of them came. My only other declines were kind of a last minute thing as they had already planned to come. And our wedding was on a Friday, so I thought more people wouldn't be able to make it. If they want to be there and can take off work/school, they'll be there.

    Definitely count for 100% attendance. Do NOT set your reply date to two months in advance. That is terrible advice. A month is the limit for asking for replies.

    If you invite 150 and for some reason 50 people can't make it, you can always upgrade something: flowers, food, bar, a band vs. a DJ, better chairs, etc. The reception is for your guests.
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