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In-Law Concerns (veeeery lengthy post)

I am not sure if I am posting this to vent, or to ask for help in sorting out this tangled situation. Here is the background:

My fiance and I moved out of state together over a year ago, and both sets of parents were very happy, and we all got along. Back in July, my FI and I started discussing marriage from a very practical point of view, i.e. when we should get married with our work/grad school schedules, where we should do it, given that all of our families are spread out across the country, etc. After a lot of discussion, we decided May would be perfect. I asked him if this meant that we were engaged, and if we should tell people. He told me that, despite practical considerations, he still wanted the romance and surprise of proposing, so we agreed to keep it quiet. However, we started quietly planning important aspects of the wedding, including the venue, photographer, and looking at rings together.

In September, we had set a date, booked a venue, and hired a photographer. We made sure the date worked by expressing a desire to have a family reunion of sorts. On a Saturday, we went ring shopping together and tentatively picked one. Since we were going on vacation the first week in October, I had a feeling that was the day, and we were both excited. When we returned home that evening, FI got a phone call from his older brother, who had also been living with his girlfriend out of state for several years. They were adament that they opposed the idea of getting married and having kids, since marriage is the "worst contract anyone could ever sign" according to the lawyer girlfriend. Lo and behold, the phone call is to inform us that the brother and girlfriend have finally decided to get married the following September. 

After getting over the vague disappointment I felt at hearing this so soon after having happy wedding thoughts of my own in my head, I realized that this was actually great. FSIL (is that still the term if it's FBIL's fiancee?) had said some pretty disparaging things about marriage to me, but now she would have to change her tune!

Fast forward to October's vacation, and we got engaged on the beach in Cabo! It was beautiful and I was so glad FI had decided to go the romantic proposal. As soon as we returned to the states (in the airport in fact!) we decided to share the happy news with our families. We called his family first because we had a feeling my younger sister wouldn't be able to keep it quiet for even 2 seconds. The first thing out of his mom's mouth was "I hope your brother won't be upset. When are you going to tell him?" No "congrats" no happy words at all. Needless to say, my FI was crushed. They did go on to ask about details, but it was not an overall good conversation. We called my family after, who gushed and welcomed him to the family, and cried and told us both that they couldn't be happier. It broke my heart to see how much that positivity meant to my FI.

His parents are actually wonderful people, but I am just perplexed by this attitude. I understand wanting both her sons to have their big day, but even after we explained that we had been planning for a while and had chosen many details, she practically asked if we would change our plans to accomodate his brother! While I am very happy for them, we should not be asked to change everything because they have completely changed their tune after 5+ years.

Now, I am attempting to keep his family involved while not overstepping these weird family boundaries. FMIL seems interested when I tell her details, but has made it clear that she does not want to be too involved. The drama and entitlement involved in his brother's fiancee's wedding (because it is 100% hers and not his) are the subject for a completely different post, but I can't help feeling that there should be plenty of love and happiness to go around. I am not letting it get me down because everyone else is so enthusiastic, but I know how hurt my fiance is, and how much he wishes they were more outwardly enthusiastic.

P.S. Sorry for the suuuuper long post.
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Re: In-Law Concerns (veeeery lengthy post)

  • If I understand everything correctly, his family is being immature.  You each get one day.  You guys are getting married in May and they are getting married in September. Personally, I wouldn't change the date for them, because they just want to get their way.  You and your FI picked a date that worked best for you two, and FBIL and FSIL picked a date that worked best for them. I wouldn't try and force your FMIL to be involved (which it doesn't sound like you are doing), and if they continue to say things just thank them for their opinion and change the subject.

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  • I'm not sure what your question is. You and FI should plan your wedding for the date you've chosen and that's about it.
  • First of all, congrats on your engagement and upcoming wedding!

    I'm sorry your FI's family is being so frustratins. Some people seem to believe that only one wedding per family should be planned at a time so as to not "overshadow" the other couple as it's supposed to be "their time." That is BS as far as I'm concerned. Each couple gets one day and so long as you're not planning the wedding for the same day (which you aren't) there is no reason anyone should be upset.

    In your case I would probably avoid bringing up the wedding too much while it's still fresh in everyone's minds, and unless your FI's parents are helping with the cost they don't really need to be included. Hopefully things will get better before too long.
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  • button6004button6004 member
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    OP, I'd just recommend you stop trying to involve his parents in your planning unless they are paying.  FI and I are paying for our wedding, so we are making the plans.  The few times I've shared with my mom, she has disagreed with my way of doing things.  So I just dont tell her anymore.  She doesnt ask, either.

    Just show your FI how much you love him, and make the rest of your planning about creating the wedding day you two want (obviously still keeping proper etiquette in mind).  Dont try to force the in-laws to care.

    ETA: I really respect how you did it all- a lot of women on here "pre-plan" without their FI/bf knowing, or consider themselves engaged/tell the world they are when they just are not.  Congrats to you both,

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  • Ditto rsanna.

    You two get one day and FBIL and FSIL get one day.  Just because they were "officially" engaged first, doesn't mean you have to wait until after their wedding to get married.  And the weddings are 4 months apart, which is a long time.  At most, some OOT family may have to make a decision as to whose wedding to attend, but that shouldn't be your concern.
  • Usually we hear from brides that are upset that two family weddings are happening in close proximity, not the MIL's!
    Yes, she is being immature, and you should BOTH go on with your wedding as planned. Both couples are doing what works best in their lives with their schedules, and that is how it is supposed to be.
    And even if getting married close together WAS a big deal... 4 months is a long stretch of time.

    Don't really speak of the wedding much, and this will all probably die down when May comes.
    Good luck planning and congrats!
  • First, best wishes and congratulations to you and your FI!

    Next, forget your ILs.  Go ahead and plan your wedding as you and your FI see fit.  If they bring up your BIL and FSIL, tell them, "Our wedding is not about BIL or FSIL and their views.  We would appreciate your support and love regardless of how they feel or what they do, and it hurts that we don't seem to have it."
  • Luckily we don't have to worry about family deciding between which one to attend. FBIL's wedding will be a week long extravaganza in Lake Tahoe, but only 15 people will be attended. Then, there will be two receptions, one in the city they both grew up in and where the majority of each family is living, and one in the city they currently live in. Immediate family is expected to attend all three of these events, none of which occur in the city my FI and I currently live in. 

    We have asked his brother to be here by noon on Friday since the rehearsal will be around 4 that evening and he is in the wedding party. Since he is unemployed (but with a large stockpile of airline miles), this shouldn't be a problem. However, it is being represented as "incovenient."

    His family is not contributing, but I get text messages from his mom saying things like "I am jealous of your mom, being the mother of the groom is so boring!" That, plus our good relationship, is why I had been making a minimal effort to keep her in the loop. While she certainly has not been judgemental of any of our choices, you guys are probably correct that I should just not talk about wedding stuff to her at all.

    I guess my post was just asking how I can be there for my FI (who obviously wants his family involved) while still keeping my sanity and moving forward with our wedding plans. We are definitely not changing the date since we already had deposits down for several vendors, but it is definitely my personality to try to make everyone happy. I just have to make sure that I do that without making myself miserable!!
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  • You can be there for your FI by loving him and not letting any BS distract you from what you both want.  I guess I dont understand how being there for your FI will cause you to be not sane while wedding planning.  Does he think his family's behavior is cool?  If he does, then you have a fiance problem, not a FMIL/FBIL problem.

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  • OP, you have more patience than me.  I would be atteding one of FBIL's events and call it good. Honestly, at this point I wouldn't expect anything out of FBIL.  Maybe he will be on time for the rehearsal, maybe he won't.  Again, the best thing to do would be to ignore it and not make a big deal out of it.

    The best thing to do is to just be there for your FI and help support him.  Unforunately, there isn't much you can do when his famly is acting this way. If he wants his mom (or family) involved, and his mom hasn't been negative or nasty about anything yet.  I would give her the benefit and continue to keep her somewhat involved. Just be sure to stand firm in your decisions and if things do get out of hand is when I would scale back or cut off the wedding talk.
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  • The ONLY circumstances where I can think this lady's behavior makes sense is if she wanted to financially contribute to both weddings, but the dates tie her hands. I can see where that would be disappointing to her. But yeah, she's being nasty and manipulative about this. Don't give in, it'll set the wrong tone for future interactions.
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_in-law-concerns-veeeery-lengthy-post?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:b75a1b24-b441-4cb8-b5fd-5209bd1a47afPost:6776baaf-bf3f-4876-b9dd-c431825a8603">Re: In-Law Concerns (veeeery lengthy post)</a>:
    [QUOTE]You can be there for your FI by loving him and not letting any BS distract you from what you both want.  I guess I dont understand how being there for your FI will cause you to be not sane while wedding planning.  Does he think his family's behavior is cool?  If he does, then you have a fiance problem, not a FMIL/FBIL problem.
    Posted by button6004[/QUOTE]

    <div>The problem with this particular situation is that he wants to have them involved and happy, which means having us all in communication about wedding stuff, which would drive be absolutely nuts given the current situation. He is so incredibly disappointed by his family's behavior, but that doesn't mean he doesn't want them to be a part of the wedding.</div><div>
    </div><div>His brother is a groomsman, so he has to know plans by default. Since his whole family has a lousy attitude, I want to be there for my FI by listening to his difficulties, but all I want to do is shake some sense into these people. </div>
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  • Jen4948Jen4948 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_in-law-concerns-veeeery-lengthy-post?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:b75a1b24-b441-4cb8-b5fd-5209bd1a47afPost:9d728b9d-ce31-4a5c-8606-d4682cc56637">Re: In-Law Concerns (veeeery lengthy post)</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: In-Law Concerns (veeeery lengthy post) : The problem with this particular situation is that he wants to have them involved and happy, which means having us all in communication about wedding stuff, which would drive be absolutely nuts given the current situation. He is so incredibly disappointed by his family's behavior, but that doesn't mean he doesn't want them to be a part of the wedding. His brother is a groomsman, so he has to know plans by default. Since his whole family has a lousy attitude, I want to be there for my FI by listening to his difficulties, but all I want to do is shake some sense into these people. 
    Posted by RWolff[/QUOTE]

    Yes, his family's attitude is lousy, but I think the person you should shake some sense into, figuratively, is your FI.  You could talk to his family until you collapse, but all you'd be doing is beating your head against a brick wall.  That's why we're suggesting that you tell your FI, "I'm so sorry they're so hurtful, but rather than let them spoil our day, let's make it otherwise the day we really want to have and focus on other aspects of it.  If they don't come, it'll be their loss.  I realize it's painful not to have the people there who should be your loved ones, but they're just not willing to give you what you need."

     And unless he's already asked his brother and his brother has said yes, maybe he should not ask his brother to be a groomsman if he's going to be this unpleasant about it.
  • Congrats on your engagement OP. Sorry you didnt get the reaction you wanted from FI's family, they really are being immature by requesting that you put aside your wedding plans to accomodate your FI's brothers. I would try to not involved your FMIL in the wedding plans all that much because of the way she is acting. Your weddings are not even close in date. 

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  • >>we should not be asked to change everything because they have completely changed their tune after 5+ years.

    Of course not.  And if someone suggests to you or to your FI that you change some component, you or Fi should say, "Oh, sorry, but no.  Mr. and Mrs. Wolff are hosting the wedding and they have already confirmed that."   And if someone pushes back, you or FI should say, "Well, you can call Mr. Wolff directly.  He's home after 6:00 on weeknights."

    />> I know how hurt my fiance is, and how much he wishes they were more outwardly enthusiastic.

    You have plenty to be working on right now.  Let FI deal with his family.  He's known them for over two decades, and they've been weird that whole time so he KNOWS that and he KNOWS how to deal with them.  You just met them a few years ago, and your family is much different, so this seems so very weird and wrong to you.  But really, his weird family and how they react to things is FI's business...
  • OP, I get where you are coming from.  We have a similar situation - not as bad as yours, but his family is pretty uninvolved in his life in general (getting any info from them is like pulling teeth), whereas mine is probably overinvolved, and the contrast hurts FI.  Often, my parents know what is going on his life before his parents do.

    What I do is talk to FI about whatever it is that's going on directly - wedding, school, work, etc. - and when my parents tell me to congratulate FI on something that has happened recently and his parents are completely silent, I don't relay the messages from my parents.  I keep it as equal as possible in terms of enthusiasm that he hears about.  He knows that my parents in general are more involved and enthusiastic than his, but he doesn't always know quite how stark that difference really is.  The difference in enthusiasm for the wedding hasn't been as hurtful to him because my parents are paying for most of it, and that makes them entitled to be very involved.  That's how he rationalizes it, and we don't talk about the real reason... which is that this is simply symptomatic of the way things have always been with our families.

    I know that you're angry with his family, and I can't fault you for that - I get angry at FI's when they don't congratulate him on some major achievement or even act sort of interested.  FI is in law school, and his dad is a lawyer so he's even been yelled at for turning down jobs in certain cities and taking a job where I am located, because - you know - I should be able to find something else in a more "reputable" market so that his son can work at biglaw (I am also a lawyer).  Let's ignore the fact that FI had 12 job offers in an incredibly difficult market and picked the best firm in the city where I am working... and also lest's ignore that it's a city we both vastly prefer over the one where his dad practices.... and finally let's ignore the fact that I found the needle in the haystack in terms of firms that are female and family friendly, so me moving would actually really burden us both.  We thought it through, and he's thrilled about our future here, but his dad just seems either angry or disappointed.  It's completely infuriating, but FI knows that he needs to have a backbone and continue doing what he wants to do with his life, regardless of the support from his parents.  I just fume silently and sometimes write in a journal about how angry it makes me, but I never tell FI because he doesn't need that burden.  

    Just be there for your FI and help him be confident in the decisions that you two are making as a couple.  And if your parents are being overly involved and gushing, maybe do what you can to not draw his attention to it.  Obviously you should never lie if he asks, but don't tell him every little thing if that's been your habit.  Sorry this is so long - just wanted you to know you aren't alone.  Keep building his confidence in your decisions about your future, and you will ride it out, I promise.

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  • They are being nutty.

    My husband and I got engaged in January of 2011 and got married 9-15-12.  We told the family in January.  In October of 2011 his nephew got married.  In Feb of 2012 his sister got married.  No big deal.  And they all got engaged and married AFTER we announced our engagement.  And honestly, it never even occurred to me to care until I saw one of the spoiled brides on here complaining that she got the whole year.  And I thought it was stupid...and jokingly told my Fi (at the time husband now) that we needed to disown his sister and nephew.  He said that would be tough as the nephew was an usher and we were staying at his sister's house for the wedding.  LOL

    They are being stupid idiots.
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