I don't wanna....

ricksang · August 2009

Yep, he is pissed at me now. Oh well.

gkb0910 · August 2009

mady and wading-you can order Lou Malnati's pizza for delivery. I'm pretty sure they deliver all over the world.

AmoroAgain · August 2009

I don't want to be unemployed anymore. I don't want to be in this country anymo' neithuh.

ricksang · August 2009

He is about four? He was an outside rabbit then my other rabbit died, so I brought him inside with the rest of the family. He poops in one spot. I wonder if I replace the paper with wood shavings if he will go there.

buttaflai · August 2009

I also thought it went "Secret...Aaaaasian Man, secret....Aaaaasian man."H sings it that way ALL THE TIME.

ndzenowski · August 2009

Ricksang- wood shavings are VERY unhealthy for rabbits. They can cause upper respiratory infections which can turn into Pasturella- a disease that cannot be cured. My one rabbit has pasturella b/c the petstore he came from did not take care of him. He now has diarrhea, cannot smell, and at times gets snotty noses and constantly has discharge from his eyes. We had to spend 1000+ on his vet bills to nebulize him, give him twice daily injections and antiboitics just to get him to the point he is at now (able to breathe). I suggest using a litter box if youre intersted in training them and then filling it with Yesterday's news or something equivalent. Cat litters cannot be used b/c they also can cause upper respiratory infections

AmoroAgain · August 2009

I had a guinea pig that eventually died from chronic respiratory infections. He was on wood shavings until I heard how bad they were, so I switched to that wood pulp stuff. I can't remember the name of it though. Hmm...

julezlee · August 2009

I also thought it went "Secret...Aaaaasian Man, secret....Aaaaasian man."It took me the last 15 minutes to remember what the actual words are.

tlv204 · August 2009

Why are wood shavings bad? I don't get it, why can they cause issues if other types of wood can't? Sorry, I'm just confused.

ricksang · August 2009

Yeah, I knew about cat litter, but I did not know about shavings. I have some yesterday's news.

AmoroAgain · August 2009

From what I can remember with my guinea pig, it's the oils that are found in pine and cedar shavings that cause problems for small animals. When you use wood chips, you can't be certain what is in there. The wood pulp is reclaimed from other things and is processed to the point where it's basically a grey newspaper type. This is what I used:http://www.petco.com/product/3370/Carefresh-Pet-Bedding.aspx?CoreCat=GuineaPigHPBeddingLitter

ndzenowski · August 2009

Wood shavings tend to have large amounts of dust (which is also the issue with cat litters) and with wood shavings, the chemicals used to preserve the wood and give it the smell that it has can cause respiratory problems and change the balance in the enzymes in the liver which is also a problem.

sarabellam · August 2009

I don't wanna grade my 2.5" stack of papers. Can't I just give the kids grades based on whether I like them or not, instead of what they know?

tlv204 · August 2009

Huh. I did not know that. Is it bad for all rodent-type animals? I''ve never had one. Why doesn't the dust from the litter affect cats? I'm very curious today.

ndzenowski · August 2009

Oh, i didn't see AmoroAgain had replied.

I worked at a pet store (specialized in the small animals there.. hah) and have done alot of volunteer work with vets and such and I always refused to send small animals home with wood shavings. I actually don't use any sort of bedding for my bunnies (i have 4) becasue they are litter trained and do not poop/pee anywhere but in their litter box now. I use carefresh for my rats. Sorry, this totally brought out the obsessive pet owner in me. My rabbits are my babies- you know they can live up to 20 years?

ricksang · August 2009

I only know cat litter is bad for rabbits because of the dust and they eat it.

bbyckes · August 2009

Sarah, can't you just give them all B+'s and be done with it? (quote from I Love you, Man) - so funny!

ndzenowski · August 2009

tlv- i think it does affect all small animals (except maybe chinchillas - they bathe in dust) Rabbits, I know, have a very different respiratory system set up than other animals. They have to be tubed and put to sleep differently than cats and dogs. Cats only use their litter box to go to the restroom mostly but having wood shavings for your animal to live on might cause problems b/c theyre constantly surrounded by it. I think its also an issue of how close to the ground small animals are compared cats- theyre noses are constantly in the litter/bedding.

tlv204 · August 2009

Gotcha, that makes sense.

mandysmear · August 2009

some serious threadjacking going on here.

ndzenowski · August 2009

They were offering free threadjacking classes at the local community college- I couldn't pass that up!

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