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So what do I say to her next time?

Has anyone been in a situation with a friend that was dating a jackass of a guy - where they fight horribly and sometimes it gets physical - and they are always on and off?

This friend of mine finally ended it with her BF a while ago - I thought it was for good.

Then, all of a sudden, I get the message "I'm engaged!" 

We talk often, and the convos go from "He is so much better now that he is on his meds.  We are in love!" to "It was such a horrible fight, the things he said to me, I can't stand the insults and the yelling, he keeps going off his meds". (yep, on and off meds - not a good combo)

I tell her flat out how I feel - these things aren't right and she needs to figure out what she wants before she marries this guy.  Then I hear "we had a talk - we worked it out"

Don't get me wrong, FI and I had issues to work out ourselves - but we did work them out - and are currently working out new snags in our relationship.  But never were there horrible screaming matches with physical contact between us every single time. 

So is this just the way my friend and her FI handle things? I know some people just fight a lot and that's how they work stuff out.  Should I just be there for her when she's nuts after a fight and then be happy once they have their "talks" and things are good again?  I feel helpless - I'm afraid he's going to hurt her one day.
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  • You could wait for her to get a disease or run away or something.
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  • Your friend might be my sister.

    I tried... I really tried to talk to her and help her understand how terrible of an idea it was. But in the end I had to realize that it's her decision, and it's her mess to deal with. All I can do is be there for her when she needs me, and hope that she knows she can call me no matter what. I'd give you the same advice.
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    [QUOTE]Has anyone been in a situation with a friend that was dating a jackass of a guy - where they fight horribly and sometimes it gets physical - and they are always on and off? This friend of mine finally ended it with her BF a while ago - I thought it was for good. Then, all of a sudden, I get the message "I'm engaged!"  We talk often, and the convos go from "He is so much better now that he is on his meds.  We are in love!" to "It was such a horrible fight, the things he said to me, I can't stand the insults and the yelling, he keeps going off his meds". (yep, on and off meds - not a good combo) I tell her flat out how I feel - these things aren't right and she needs to figure out what she wants before she marries this guy.  Then I hear "we had a talk - we worked it out" Don't get me wrong, FI and I had issues to work out ourselves - but we did work them out - and are currently working out new snags in our relationship.  But never were there horrible screaming matches with physical contact between us every single time.  So is this just the way my friend and her FI handle things? I know some people just fight a lot and that's how they work stuff out.  Should I just be there for her when she's nuts after a fight and then be happy once they have their "talks" and things are good again?  I feel helpless - I'm afraid he's going to hurt her one day.
    Posted by M&R7111[/QUOTE]
    All couples argue... we're only human... but it sound like your friend's relationship escalates into an abusive one.

    Rollercoaster relationships like that one seems to me is not a healthy type of relationship to have. Couples can have ups and downs and temporary break-ups, but if it's constantly on-again/off-again, that is really not a good sign of a mature relationship.

    Just my opinions based on what you have said here, though.

    If you are really afraid she could get really hurt by him, have you considered discussing this with her? If not, they have abuse hotlines you can call (yes, you, as the friend) and they can discuss ways you can help her.
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  • You can be honest with her about the way you feel, but in the end she's going to do what she's going to do and there's nothing you can do to stop her. 

    I know it sucks to watch it from the outside though. 
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  • edited November 2010
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    [QUOTE]In Response to So what do I say to her next time? : All couples argue... we're only human... but it sound like your friend's relationship escalates into an abusive one. Rollercoaster relationships like that one seems to me is not a healthy type of relationship to have. Couples can have ups and downs and temporary break-ups, but if it's constantly on-again/off-again, that is really not a good sign of a mature relationship. Just my opinions based on what you have said here, though.<strong> If you are really afraid she could get really hurt by him, have you considered discussing this with her?</strong> If not, they have abuse hotlines you can call (yes, you, as the friend) and they can discuss ways you can help her.
    Posted by Simply Fated[/QUOTE]

    Oh yeah - I've been very blunt with her.  Ironically, I was just out of a horrible relationship with a guy that hit me when she started dating this man. So the first teary story from her that he slammed her up against the wall I went on a tirade of reasons why she needs to get out NOW - because him apologizing and saying he won't do it again is not the end of it.

    I think I'll try those hotlines - but short of kidnapping her and keeping her locked in my house - I don't know how to help.
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    [QUOTE]You could wait for her to get a disease or run away or something.
    Posted by zippityb[/QUOTE]

    FTW.
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  • This is really hard because I really want to make a snarky comment about your dog, but I wont.

    When it comes to your friend, if you have already flat out laid it out for her that you fear for her when she is with her now FI, there is noooothing you can do. As much as that sucks.

    Just be supportive and let her decide for herself. Sometimes pushing too much in someone else's relationship does more harm than it does good. 
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  • I was in an abusive relationship with my ex. It was mostly emotional abuse but one morning things got so bad that it turned into physical abuse and the cops were called and he was arrested.

    I don't know your friend or there relationship but I know that when I was in that type of relationship that secretly I wanted to get out of it but I just didn't know how. The day he got arrested was the day our relatioship ended and I never looked back. I'm now engaged to the best guy ever and I couldn't be happier!

    I wish I had some kind of advice to give you but I guess all I can say is that chances are your friend knows this isn't a healthy relationship deep down and to just be there for her when she needs someone to turn too. If she feels like all her friends have turned there backs on her she is probably going to feel even more of a need to stay in the relationship because she will feel like if they break up she is without her guy and without her friends.
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    [QUOTE]I was in an abusive relationship with my ex. It was mostly emotional abuse but one morning things got so bad that it turned into physical abuse and the cops were called and he was arrested. I don't know your friend or there relationship but I know that when I was in that type of relationship that secretly I wanted to get out of it but I just didn't know how. The day he got arrested was the day our relationship ended and I never looked back. I'm now engaged to the best guy ever and I couldn't be happier! I wish I had some kind of advice to give you but I guess all I can say is that chances are your friend knows this isn't a healthy relationship deep down and to just be there for her when she needs someone to turn too. If she feels like all her friends have turned there backs on her she is probably going to feel even more of a need to stay in the relationship because she will feel like if they break up she is without her guy and without her friends.
    Posted by ECI1151[/QUOTE]

    God, it's killing me because I was in the same situation you were in!  I kept hoping he would leave because every time I tried to leave him there would be threats of suicide and a horrible tantrum that scared the sh*t out of me.  My ex was very controlling and emotionally abusive as well.

    He attacked me physically, once, the cops were called - and when I was returned to my home after the ordeal my first thought was "It's over, he's gone - thank god it's over".  So yeah, the night he was arrested was the end of the relationship. 

    So I know what my friend is going through - but she was out of it - many times, and went back. I can tell she's blinded by whatever blinds smart beautiful women who are in these relationships. 

    Which makes me feel even more helpless. 
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    [QUOTE]You could wait for her to get a disease or run away or something.
    Posted by zippityb[/QUOTE]

    fourth!
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  • She has desensitized herself to the seriousness of the situation.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: So what do I say to her next time? : No, but it would be really awesome if her FI did!
    Posted by M&R7111[/QUOTE]

    People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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  • I'm not even reading this.

    Go away. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: So what do I say to her next time? : People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
    Posted by waltzingmatilda13[/QUOTE]

    What am I missing?  Fill me in please. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: So what do I say to her next time? : What am I missing?  Fill me in please.
    Posted by Stackeye210[/QUOTE]


    <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_stinks-here-need-let-this-out" rel="nofollow">http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_stinks-here-need-let-this-out</a>
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: So what do I say to her next time? : What am I missing?  Fill me in please. 
    Posted by Stackeye210[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, I missed that too.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: So what do I say to her next time? : Yeah, I missed that too.
    Posted by M&R7111[/QUOTE]

    If you need me to explain it then you're even worse off than I thought.
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  • edited November 2010
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    Posted by waltzingmatilda13[/QUOTE]

    Oh, right -
    I can't stand the dog and can't wait till it's gone.  Apparently, I'm the one to pick on for the week because I hate a dog.

    Has nothing to do with my friend - so I don't get the stones thing.

    Anywho - thanks for the advice for those who offered it - I kinda knew there really wasn't much I can do besides be there for her - and I don't mind listening to her vent but I wish there was more I could do having been in the same situation once.
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  • Wow. 

    Just wow. 





































    Like - wow, wow, wow.  Is this for real? 
  • No. My friend was in an awful relationship witha  huge douche, who was emotionally abusive, taking drugs, off his meds, stealing her money etc, etc. For about 2 years. But as soon as he touched her, she was gone and filed a restraining order. It sounds like your friend has battered spouse syndrome.
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    [QUOTE]No. My friend was in an awful relationship witha  huge douche, who was emotionally abusive, taking drugs, off his meds, stealing her money etc, etc. For about 2 years. But as soon as he touched her, she was gone and filed a restraining order. It sounds like your friend has battered spouse syndrome.
    Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]

    Right - there is the cycle of abuse - where she makes excuses for his behavior, right?

    There was one incident a while ago where they were fighting and he "put her though  a glass door".  She says that SHE was the one out of control, and he grabbed her to calm her down and it just happened to be against the sliding door.  She says the door was cheap and the glass was thin so she went through it - but it was her fault.

    That's battered spouse, right? 
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  • Does your FI know that you talk about killing his dog? If my H ever talked about wanting my cat to die of a horrible disease, I think that would be a dealbreaker for me. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: So what do I say to her next time? : I was okay with what you were saying until this: You could wait for her to get a disease or run away or something. Posted by zippityb No, but it would be really awesome if her FI did! That's not helping her. That's just a stupid thing to say.
    Posted by waltzingmatilda13[/QUOTE]

    No - I was being snarky to someone who was trashing me because of my previous post. 

    OBVIOUSLY having him get a disease would not help her.   I'm not actually seeing that as a solution.    That was said "tongue-in-cheek"
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: So what do I say to her next time? : Right - there is the cycle of abuse - where she makes excuses for his behavior, right? There was one incident a while ago where they were fighting and he "put her though  a glass door".  She says that SHE was the one out of control, and he grabbed her to calm her down and it just happened to be against the sliding door.  She says the door was cheap and the glass was thin so she went through it - but it was her fault. That's battered spouse, right? 
    Posted by M&R7111[/QUOTE]

    YES
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  • But she wants kids and thinks she'll be a super-duper mother.  Yell
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  • edited November 2010
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: So what do I say to her next time? : YES
    Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]


    Errr - I wish she knew it :(

    Would slipping pamphlets under her door do the trick?  (no, I iknow it won't)

    Maybe an intervention.  I would hate to have it come down to something really big before she realizes.  A co-worker found out she was engaged and came to my room today.  She was close with both of us and shared the same stories. My co-worker was really upset knowing this. (FYI - my friend was laid off last year for budget cuts and doesn't work with us anymore so this co-worker was out of the loop).
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  • And why does EVERY person who says they hate kids ALWAYS say, "they run around in restaurants and make noise".  What f*cking restuarants do you go to?  Because A - Lil Stack doesn't get out of her seat NOR yell at a restaurant and never has.  And B - I've rarely seen kids run around in a restaurant unless they're really bored and agitated waiting for a table.  




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    [QUOTE]And why does EVERY person who says they hate kids ALWAYS say, "they run around in restaurants and make noise".  What f*cking restuarants do you go to?  Because <strong>A - Lil Stack doesn't get out of her seat NOR yell at a restaurant and never has.</strong>  And B - I've rarely seen kids run around in a restaurant unless they're really bored and agitated waiting for a table.  
    Posted by Stackeye210[/QUOTE]
    I think kids and restaurants are a fine combination if you make your kids (as Ms. Tay so eloquently put it) ackrite. My mom and dad were adamant that my brother and I learn to behave ourselves in restaurants because going to nice dinners for special occasions, to celebrate something, or just to go was a huge part of their lives and they weren't going to give it up for us. So they raised us to use table manners at home and especially when we were in restaurants. Believe it or not, you can take an 8 year old to a five start place if you raise em right.
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    [QUOTE]I'm not even reading this. Go away. 
    Posted by kikibaby[/QUOTE]

    I am with you Kiki....

    She wants to see her dog dead - hates people - who knows what else we can add this this list since I have seen her twice now and it's been drama both times

    just go away drama queen
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: So what do I say to her next time? : God, it's killing me because I was in the same situation you were in!  I kept hoping he would leave because every time I tried to leave him there would be threats of suicide and a horrible tantrum that scared the sh*t out of me.  My ex was very controlling and emotionally abusive as well. He attacked me physically, once, the cops were called - and when I was returned to my home after the ordeal my first thought was "It's over, he's gone - thank god it's over".  So yeah, the night he was arrested was the end of the relationship.  So I know what my friend is going through - but she was out of it - many times, and went back. I can tell she's blinded by whatever blinds smart beautiful women who are in these relationships.  Which makes me feel even more helpless. 
    Posted by M&R7111[/QUOTE]

    Those were my thoughts to after my ex got arrested....

    I saw where you said that this is her thrid engagement...it sounds like she might just be so desperate for an engagement to actually work out that she is just going to hang in there no matter what. Does her family approve of the guy?...I'm guessing not ya never know!
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