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Obligated to attend events? What do you think?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/carolyn-hax-attend-friends-pricey-fundraiser-dating-an-insecure-guy/2012/04/09/gIQASFBsHT_story.html

Dear Carolyn: I have a group of friends
from college, and we are quite close. One of them pursued a career, while the rest of us balanced career and family ambitions. She was recently named to the board of directors for a major nonprofit that she has supported for a long time. She was thrilled, and I was thrilled for her.

Last week, my husband and I were invited to a $100-per-plate benefit for her nonprofit. Since we would also have to purchase new clothes and get a babysitter, this event is a bit out of our reach at the moment. I RSVP’d no.

Yesterday, my friend told me she was hurt I wasn’t attending and asked why, because this nonprofit is important to her. I told her it was simply too expensive. She was quiet for a moment, and then told me she attended wedding showers, my wedding, baby showers, three christenings and numerous birthday parties for my kids (this is true). She told me that after all that, it would mean a lot if we could attend a function for her.

I was floored by this. Is she “bean-counting”? Also, isn’t she still able to have all those events in her honor should she choose?

Finally, those costs were spread out; a $25 gift here and there is different from a $500 expense in one evening.

Attending this would not be impossible, but it would be very difficult. My husband thinks we should make a $200 donation and not attend the event. Is this a fair compromise? Do I even have to compromise? — Friend’s Benefit

Yes, at a minimum. I suggest you do better, though: Apologize, then assure her you’ll scrape up your pennies and go.

She’s right, and your defensiveness says you know it. “Bean-counting”? “A $25 gift here and there”? “We would also have to purchase new clothes”?

Holy excuses, Batman.

What your friend has rightly pointed out is that she waved your flag again and again and again — and asked you to do the same for her exactly once.

And you begged off on an inconvenience. She’s not scorekeeping, she’s exposing your bias.

You and I both know you can arrange a babysitting swap with another family you know or call in a favor.

You can pull a Scarlett O’Hara and wear the curtains.

That’s what friends do when it’s time to come through. They don’t say, “Well, if you find a husband, I’ll buy you a vase.”

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Re: Obligated to attend events? What do you think?

  • Carolyn is fullofshit in this answer.
  • bongebonge member
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    Holy excuses, Batman. What your friend has rightly pointed out is that she waved your flag again and again and again — and asked you to do the same for her exactly once. And you begged off on an inconvenience. She’s not scorekeeping, she’s exposing your bias. You and I both know you can arrange a babysitting swap with another family you know or call in a favor. You can pull a Scarlett O’Hara and wear the curtains. That’s what friends do when it’s time to come through. They don’t say, “Well, if you find a husband, I’ll buy you a vase.”
    Posted by mfeo24[/QUOTE]

    Idk about being obligated but i do agree with that one. I bend over backwards for people, it is a horrible feeling when it isn't returned, but that is who i am so i will continue to do things. I have a co-worker who will say no when you ask her to work or switch shifts EVERY SINGLE TIME but who has asked me to pick up 5 shifts in the last 2 months alone. Same idea. 

    It doesn't have to be so expensive if the person doesn't want it to be. I am sure she has acceptable clothes to wear. It is important to her friend, whom has attended many events for her friend, she is asking for 1 event, not too much to ask i don't think. 

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  • If it's outside of her budget then it's outside of her budget. I mean - a true friend would understand that they can't afford it. 
  • What!!!!!  I couldn't disagree with that answer more.
  • I feel that the friend should support her friend (by donating, going to the event, etc) as her friend has supported her (wedding, showers, etc).  It is not what I would consider an obligation but rather a show of support as each of the friends move through life events. 

  • While I agree that I don't like the responder's excuse of "She could have these events in her honor if she chose to", I also don't like Carolyn's notion that any of these parties and events are obligations.  Weddings, birthday parties, showers, etc., are not obligations, and neither are nonprofits.  If you can't afford something, if it's inconvenient, it is. 

    And I do think it's kind of shitty for the friend to say "Well, I did these things for you, etc."  I don't go to showers or birthday parties or weddings with the intention that my friends will somehow repay me someday for any inconveniences these have cost me.  I do them because I love my friends.  Several of my friends couldn't attend my wedding.  One of these was a friend whose wedding I had attended a few years ago.  I wasn't about to get into a snit and say "Well, I went to YOUR wedding, you should come to mine."

    I dunno, everything about this post rubs me the wrong way.
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_obligated-to-attend-events-what-do-you-think?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:0b0dfdde-dbbc-4ec2-b73a-2fa997b0dfc0Post:8ed86bd6-584d-4072-a9bd-bdcd2adb7a59">Re: Obligated to attend events? What do you think?</a>:
    [QUOTE]I feel that the friend should support her friend (by donating, going to the event, etc) as her friend has supported her (wedding, showers, etc).  It is not what I would consider an obligation but rather a show of support as each of the friends move through life events. 
    Posted by ski2play[/QUOTE]

    <div>I feel like you can still be supportive without spending $500 to attend one event though. If they're comfortable donating the $200 then that's great - but I don't think that the friend should be guilting the couple into anything. </div>
  • Also: I do not ever think that someone should feel obligated or pressured to donate to a cause or a nonprofit that s/he doesn't personally support.  Suppose the writer's friend was into a cause that the writer didn't feel comfortable contributing to.  Should she be held accountable to contribute to that cause, even if it goes against what she feels is right, just because her friend attended her wedding/showers/parties and she's "owed" this?


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  • I agree with Carolyn on this one. It sounds like the LW is a shitty friend.
  • As someone who got married long after most of our friends I have to say "yes" I felt obligated to attend all showers, b-parties, weddings (OOT or otherwise), kid's b-day parties, etc. simply because I was single and didn't have any other obligations.  I think it's 'harder' for single people to pull the "I don't have time", "I can't afford" or whatever cards than the married with kids friends.  I think there was an expectation of ME to attend their events.  


    THAT'S JUST LIFE THOUGH !!

    The married/parent friends actually do have more important obligations now. This is not a tit-for-tat thing.

     Although I think if there is a way you could show your support for something important I think you should make an effort.  Yearly attend a $500 party?  No, not at all.  But since it's a yearly event, maybe make plans to attend in the future?  Most non-proftis have other events.  Is there something else you can support her on?  

    So in a nut shell I do not think the advice is correct.






    What differentiates an average host and a great host is anticipating unexpressed needs and wants of their guests.  Just because the want/need is not expressed, doesn't mean it wouldn't be appreciated. 
  • Bay - I am assuming that the woman does not have a problem with the organization otherwise she would have cited that as a reason for not wanting to attend. I could be wrong though.
  • I can understand both sides here. $500 is a lot of money for some people... hell, the $200 for their plates is a lot of money to spend at one time. If it's not in the budget, it's not the in the budget. It doesn't mean they don't support their friend... it just means they can't show their support by spending money to attend an event.

    On the other hand, I can see the friend's side of things as well. If I'd attended numerous functions for my friend, spent money on gifts, etc, I probably would be a little hurt that that friend wasn't reciprocating by attending my event. Would I actually say, "Well I attended this, this, and this for you" ? No. Would I think it? Probably. I would probably have to remind myself that I shouldn't take it personally that my friend was unable to spend the money at that time.
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_obligated-to-attend-events-what-do-you-think?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:0b0dfdde-dbbc-4ec2-b73a-2fa997b0dfc0Post:407b6fdd-cf17-4403-aafa-12aea6435938">Re: Obligated to attend events? What do you think?</a>:
    [QUOTE]Bay - I am assuming that the woman does not have a problem with the organization otherwise she would have cited that as a reason for not wanting to attend. I could be wrong though.
    Posted by pokepoke27[/QUOTE]

    I agree with this. And I really don't buy the $500 nonsense either -- $300 for clothes and a babysitter?? It does sound she's making excuses and I think that's kind of a shiitty thing to do for a friend. Everything about the letter bothered me especially the beginning about the one friend pursuing only her career while the others created a balance. I'm reading a lot of judgment in there.
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    I think the $500 is reaching.  I think that the OP is extremely judgy about her friend's life choices, and I do think she's a flake.  HOWEVER.  I don't agree with Carolyn's response of "suck it up, this is an obligation."  I don't fee  that it is.

    ETA: I don't believe that weddings, showers, birthday parties, etc. are obligations either.

    Also, this whole thing, all of it, smacks of that SATC episode "A Woman's Right To Shoes". 
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  • DramaGeekDramaGeek member
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    If you can't afford it, you can't afford it.  With a wedding, there is no cost to attend.  One does not have to bring a gift or pay for their food.  With this dinner, they are not able to attend if they can't afford the $100 per plate.  The friend was not obligated to attend the events for the writer anymore than the writer is obligated to attend this dinner.

    We don't have all the backstory though - has the writer been invited to other events and RSVPd no to those as well?  Perhaps the friend is feeling like the friendship has become very one sided.  It could go a long way for the friend to say "we can't afford to attend the benefit, but we'd love to help out this nonprofit that's so important to you.  Let us know the next time a volunteer opportunity comes along!" or something like that.
  • The friend attended those life-events by invitation, not by subpeona. There's no quid pro quo here.

  • I read a lot of judgement into the way the question was asked of Carolyn also. 

    Support can come in many ways and does not have to be monetary.  It takes a lot of effort to pull off an event, so if the writer couldn't afford to support by donating or going to the event, then she could work behind the scenes as a volunteer.  There are tons of ways to show support for those whom you care about.
  • I don't think $500 is that unrealistic if it's a black tie fundraiser.  I know I don't own a gown that would be appropriate for a black tie event and FI would have to rent a tuxedo.  Add to that parking and the babysitter and you're at $500 easily.
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    [QUOTE]If you can't afford it, you can't afford it.  With a wedding, there is no cost to attend.  One does not have to bring a gift or pay for their food.  With this dinner, they are not able to attend if they can't afford the $100 per plate.  The friend was not obligated to attend the events for the writer anymore than the writer is obligated to attend this dinner.<strong> We don't have all the backstory though - has the writer been invited to other events and RSVPd no to those as well?  Perhaps the friend is feeling like the friendship has become very one sided.</strong>
    Posted by DramaGeek[/QUOTE]

    <div>That could very well be the case.  </div><div>
    </div><div> </div>






    What differentiates an average host and a great host is anticipating unexpressed needs and wants of their guests.  Just because the want/need is not expressed, doesn't mean it wouldn't be appreciated. 
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    [QUOTE]The friend attended those life-events by invitation, not by subpeona. There's no quid pro quo here.
    Posted by sarabellam[/QUOTE]

    <div>Eh, I don't think it's always that simple.  I think there is some obligation to attend your friend's life events.  I mean, they are your friends. Why wouldn't you attend something like a shower if it was possible?</div><div>
    </div><div>and as I said before, when I was a single person I found "I don't feel like attending" not a very good excuse.  Married or parents always have good excuses.  Kid has a game, SO made other plans, blah, blah.  A true single person's excuse seem to come across as not being supportive.</div>






    What differentiates an average host and a great host is anticipating unexpressed needs and wants of their guests.  Just because the want/need is not expressed, doesn't mean it wouldn't be appreciated. 
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_obligated-to-attend-events-what-do-you-think?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:0b0dfdde-dbbc-4ec2-b73a-2fa997b0dfc0Post:a3e13dce-ce1c-4b07-9081-5a3bc5a6c2ea">Obligated to attend events? What do you think?</a>:
    [QUOTE]<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/carolyn-hax-attend-friends-pricey-fundraiser-dating-an-insecure-guy/2012/04/09/gIQASFBsHT_story.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/carolyn-hax-attend-friends-pricey-fundraiser-dating-an-insecure-guy/2012/04/09/gIQASFBsHT_story.html</a> Dear Carolyn: I have a group of friends from college, and we are quite close. One of them pursued a career, while the rest of us balanced career and family ambitions. She was recently named to the board of directors for a major nonprofit that she has supported for a long time. She was thrilled, and I was thrilled for her. Last week, my husband and I were invited to a $100-per-plate benefit for her nonprofit. Since we would also have to purchase new clothes and get a babysitter, <strong>this event is a bit out of our reach at the moment. </strong>I RSVP’d no. Yesterday, my friend told me she was hurt I wasn’t attending and asked why, because this nonprofit is important to her. I told her it was simply too expensive. She was quiet for a moment, and then told me she attended wedding showers, my wedding, baby showers, three christenings and numerous birthday parties for my kids (this is true). She told me that after all that, it would mean a lot if we could attend a function for her. I was floored by this. Is she “bean-counting”? Also, isn’t she still able to have all those events in her honor should she choose? Finally, those costs were spread out; a $25 gift here and there is different from a $500 expense in one evening. Attending this would not be impossible, but it would be very difficult. My husband thinks we should make a $200 donation and not attend the event. Is this a fair compromise? Do I even have to compromise? — Friend’s Benefit Yes, at a minimum. I suggest you do better, though: Apologize, then assure her you’ll scrape up your pennies and go. She’s right, and your defensiveness says you know it. “Bean-counting”? “A $25 gift here and there”? “We would also have to purchase new clothes”? Holy excuses, Batman. What your friend has rightly pointed out is that she waved your flag again and again and again — and asked you to do the same for her exactly once. And you begged off on an inconvenience. She’s not scorekeeping, she’s exposing your bias. You and I both know you can arrange a babysitting swap with another family you know or call in a favor. You can pull a Scarlett O’Hara and wear the curtains. That’s what friends do when it’s time to come through. They don’t say, “Well, if you find a husband, I’ll buy you a vase.”
    Posted by mfeo24[/QUOTE]
    The bold part is the only part that should matter.  Yes, you should support your friends in whatever they do, but don't spend money you don't have to do it.  If there was no difference between spreading out payments and making them all in one chunk, then why do payment plans exist?  That's not to say that attending events and bringing gifts are making payments, but it's still spending money here and there, instead of all at once. 
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  • It does make me think the writer has been asked before and said no. I wouldn't think that a best friend would suddenly have a tally of events that she went to in the past. Maybe this is the second or third event she said no to and the friend thought about all of this the first time she said no. $500 is a lot of money and I don't think anyone can tell her how to spend it but if I were her, I would have probably gone without my husband and borrowed a dress from someone else. That would cost $100 which is much easier.
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  • If they can't afford to attend the fundraiser, none of the other variables matter. "I'm sorry, unfortunately we'll be unable to attend. We simply can't afford it at the moment." End of discussion. (Truly, I think the discussion should have ended with the 'We will be unable to attend.' It's in poor taste to confront people demanding an explanation as to why they RSVP'd no.) 

    I would never want or expect my friends to spend money that they didn't have or were not able to comfortably spend in order to attend a party/fundraiser/wedding or any other event at my request. Not everyone is in a place in their lives where they're able to spend $500, $300, or even $100 on a night out, especially without serious advance notice.
  • Like another poster said, this immediately made me think of the SATC episode where someone at her friend's baby shower takes her shoes and then the friend throws a fit about replacing them....but anyway... It sounds like she is a crappy friend, and probably has skipped out on a bunch of past events. Why can't she go without her husband and use a dress she already has? There, 100 and no babysitter. I sometimes feel like I do so much for my friends and don't receive equal treatment...I wouldn't point out specific instances like the woman in the letter did, but I can totally understand being hurt. Getting married and having kids are NOT the only important life events but they often are treated as such.
  • Hax's column is meant to give advice, not just tell people what their obligations are.  Does she have to go to the event?  No.  And definitely not if she cannot afford it or doesn't support the cause.  The LW never mentions not wanting to support the cause, though (and is in fact willing to donate $200 to not have to attend), and her "it's too expensive" excuse is sandwiched between all of her judgment about her friend's choices and priorities.  She could easily go without her husband, as PP said, and I'm guessing that $300 for childcare and new clothes may be a slight exaggeration.  I'm also not totally convinced that the expense is the main issue here, anyway.

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