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New MIL not accepting my name change

Good afternoon, and happy 4th!

You ladies are always so excellent with wording, and I could use a little help.  My new MIL sent out a "smilebox" (it basically plays music over a montage of pictures with captions) to everyone in her family, along with H and I.  In the captions there was a lot of "The new Jen and John Smith!" "Mrs. John Smith during her father-daughter dance".  MIL knows that I am Ms. Jen Jones-Smith.  

This has been discussed beforehand, and we had some minor adjustments during the ceremony and reception, like avoiding monograms and having the DJ introduce us as just John & Jen so that our friends and family wouldn't get the impression that I was Jen Smith.  We knew we would get it from a few people and have mostly looked the other way or politely told people I'm actually Ms. Jen Jones-Smith.  

I wrote MIL what I thought was a polite email thanking her for the lovely smilebox and all the effort she must have gone through to put it together, and then mentioned that "Just so we're clear, I'll be going as Ms. Jennifer Jones-Smith, so please don't refer to me as Mrs. Smith or Mrs. John Smith.  People will take their cue from you as to what to call me, so I would appreciate it if you would please respect my decision and refer to me by my proper name".

I just got an email back criticizing me for emailing instead of calling (I get flustered easily and prefer to be able to carefully deliberate my words) and saying that basically my refusing to be called Mrs. John Smith was disrespectful to her and her son as that is her family name and I should be glad to have it and basically people call married people by their husband's name so I should get over it.  She made a half-assed apology about how she "must be ignorant, because she always thought married couples were referred to as Mr. & Mrs Hislastname in social situations, regardless of her legal name (????)" and said she would try to remember to refer to me as Ms. Jen Jones-Smith in the future.

This has all left a bad taste in my mouth.  I know she's probably sensitive about her only child marrying and her own recent retirement, so I'm trying to cut her some slack and not start World War 3 over this.  She's been acting a little wierd since the wedding (making plans with H to go to his friend's metal concert she heard about on facebook with him, buying us multiple household items that we neither want nor need) so I think she's doing some adjusting. 

I want to write something along the lines of "I'm not trying to make a big deal over this, or be disrespectful of you.  John and I have discussed this decision and are comfortable with it, and I hope that you can be too."  I'm not positive, but it's starting to feel like some sort of power play, and quite frankly I'm not interested in getting involved in that.  I haven't brought H into this as of yet.  When I got him involved because she was being a little crazy over the seating chart she got upset with me for "tattling" and getting her son annoyed with her, so I'm trying to avoid that if possible.

I'm sure other people have dealt with similar situations, what would be a good way to handle this?  


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  • I think what you have worded out is pretty good--but I'd take out the "I'm not trying to make a big deal out of this."  I feel like she could take that offensively.  I'd just stick with "I don't mean to be disrespectful of you.  John and I have discussed this and come to the decision together (I think it's important to throw something in there about how you did this TOGETHER), and I hope that you can be comfortable with it as well."

    I think you need to be delicate but firm.  I had a similar situation with  my grandmother, but it was easier because she was my family, and I felt better able to be more direct with her, since she was MY family.

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  • Has your husband talked to his mom?  

    I think what you have said at the bottom sounds fine.  I would try to do this in person.  Rehearse if you have to.  End the conversation with a hug (if you can).   Maybe have your H there for moral support and so he can pick up the talking if you get flustered.
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  • Yup, I was just coming back to suggest that maybe this is an in-person conversation, with you H there.  That way you didn't "tattle" and have him do your dirty work, but you can show her that you're together on this.

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  • I am not sure about getting H involved. The time to have him handle it was when the smilebox was sent out. I definitely wouldn't email her again. Would you be comfortable meeting in person or is that possible? If not write out what you will say and call her. I would start by apologizing for emailing and not calling. Start with something kind of positive like you are glad that she responded to your email BUT that it is between H and you that you aren't taking his name and it definitely isn't a sign of disrespect, and finish with something positive about something. At work we call it sandwiching positive, negative, positive. Maybe someone else will have better advice. That just kinda sucks to happen so soon after the wedding.
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  • willywally5willywally5 member
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    edited July 2012
    Yikes. She sounds annoying and manipulative and is behaving like a typical passive-agressive beyotch. And I agree it is absolutely some sort of power play. 

    I'm not sure a letter is the answer. I mean, the email didn't work so why would a letter?

    Honestly, I'd just ignore her.  As you sign and use your name the way you intended to, people will get the drift. Everyone will see it correctly on the thank you cards and future correspondence from you. And they'll notice, if she continues, that MIL isn't on board and likely think poorly of her, not you. 

    Hyphenated last names are nothing new but some people just don't get it. I am betting there will be other people who address you incorrectly from time to time, but I would only expect that from people you are just meeting or who don't know you well (For example, if you have children with your husband's last name, people may assume you are Mrs. Husband's Last Name). Certainly, however, your MIL should address you as you wish to be addressed. I'm guessing she will come around in time.

    ETA: Sorry that got long. My basic point is if you continue discussing it, I think it WILL turn into an even bigger power play. So, if it were me, I'd just stop the discussion now. 
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  • But Willy, sometimes it has to be discussed.  Like in the case with my grandma?  I would have loved to ignore it, except she was continuously sending me checks made out to my married name that I couldn't do anything with but send back.  Obviously it had to be discussed. 

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  • I would just leave it alone at this point.  She was passive aggressive in her response, but she concluded by apologizing and saying she would try to call you by the correct name.  Let it be for now and if she makes the mistake again, all you can do is correct her again.

    best of luck!
  • willywally5willywally5 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_new-mil-not-accepting-my-name-change?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:0cb47316-8f14-4c23-8c62-954512fc9f3fPost:ca1aca22-8c69-42cd-bba4-1161fa8b0dac">Re: New MIL not accepting my name change</a>:
    [QUOTE]But Willy, sometimes it has to be discussed.  Like in the case with my grandma?  I would have loved to ignore it, except she was continuously sending me checks made out to my married name that I couldn't do anything with but send back.  Obviously it had to be discussed. 
    Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

    <div>Good point. But was your grandma as manipulative as this lady sounds? And is OP's MIL sending checks? And does your grandma want to adopt me? :)</div><div>
    </div><div>In all seriousness, though, there'd have to be a very compelling reason (such as your example) to make me want to continue what I only see  as ending badly.</div><div>
    </div><div>If OP feels like it MUST be addressed, I'd definitely do it in person. If MIL finds email offensive, she will likely find something wrong with a letter as well. (My guess is she will find fault/offense with ANYTHING regarding this.) Her H needs to back her up. And then the case needs to be closed. </div><div>
    </div><div>(edited for clarity)</div>
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  • I can see letting it go for now--but it seems to me that she will likely NOT actually try to call her by her correct name.

    So it's probably a discussion that will need to happen, whether it's now or in the future. 

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  • I agree with PP -- I wouldn't write another e-mail to her.  You know your MIL best, and if you want to continue to address it with her, it needs to be done in person.  Someone mentioned rehearsing if you have to, and honestly, that might be a good idea so you can remember to say exactly what you wanted to say.  Be firm but polite, and then hopefully that can be the end of it.

    willywally also made a good point thought about all of the correspondence having your correct name on there. 
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_new-mil-not-accepting-my-name-change?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:0cb47316-8f14-4c23-8c62-954512fc9f3fPost:7f8e7e53-02fa-45ad-819d-d75334c2748a">Re: New MIL not accepting my name change</a>:
    [QUOTE]I can see letting it go for now--<strong>but it seems to me that she will likely NOT actually try to call her by her correct name.</strong> So it's probably a discussion that will need to happen, whether it's now or in the future. 
    Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

    <div>My bet is she never will call her by her correct name. So OP will have to decide if it's a hill on which she'd like to die. </div><div>
    </div><div>Honestly, I worry she may have bigger problems than this with MIL in the future. This might end up being the least of her troubles! </div>
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_new-mil-not-accepting-my-name-change?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:0cb47316-8f14-4c23-8c62-954512fc9f3fPost:7f8e7e53-02fa-45ad-819d-d75334c2748a">Re: New MIL not accepting my name change</a>:
    [QUOTE]I can see letting it go for now--but it seems to me that she will likely NOT actually try to call her by her correct name. So it's probably a discussion that will need to happen, whether it's now or in the future. 
    Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

    <div>I was thinking this too.  You could let it go, but I don't just think its going to resolve itself.</div>
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  • I'm a little curious about how many people that are saying to drop this did NOT take their H's last name, or don't plan on it. 

    Not to be all self-righteous, or "you just can't know if you haven't been there", but having someone call you by an incorrect name can cause much more  issue than just being irritating.  And nipping it in the bud, IMO, will be easier than letting it go and then getting the "well why didn't you say anything 6 months ago?"

    Yes, it is likely that MIL will NEVER call her by the correct name.  That is true.  But letting MIL know, in a respectful way, that that is not her name doesn't seem inappropriate here to me.

    Yes, it is likely to blow up.  But either way, it WILL eventually have to be addressed, I'm quite sure--and in this case, I do feel that sooner is better than later.

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  • I used both our last names for awhile (not hypenated, just Willy Wally). Then I started using just Wally for things at school and involving the children. Now I use Wally almost exclusively. Except for when doing theater. Then I use both again. Weird, I know. Meh. 
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    [QUOTE]I'm a little curious about how many people that are saying to drop this did NOT take their H's last name, or don't plan on it.  Not to be all self-righteous, or "you just can't know if you haven't been there", but having someone call you by an incorrect name can cause much more  issue than just being irritating.  And nipping it in the bud, IMO, will be easier than letting it go and then getting the "well why didn't you say anything 6 months ago?" Yes, it is likely that MIL will NEVER call her by the correct name.  That is true.  <strong>But letting MIL know, in a respectful way, that that is not her name doesn't seem inappropriate here to me. </strong>Yes, it is likely to blow up.  But either way, it WILL eventually have to be addressed, I'm quite sure--and in this case, I do feel that sooner is better than later.
    Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

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    </div><div>I agree that it's completely appropriate for her to let MIL know. And she already has; it just didn't work. </div>
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  • I took H's name and I don't think this should be ignored or let go for now. To be honest, the smilebox with the wrong name, although beautiful, seems almost conscious or subconscious effort to subvert her plan to hyphenate. As OP said, everyone will take the lead from MIL and MIL was aware that OP planned to hyphenate. Maybe I am reading too much into it. I just know that if this happened with my mom and my future SIL my mom would apologize , fix it, but still say something about calling instead of emailing. Actually my mom would just call.
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_new-mil-not-accepting-my-name-change?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:0cb47316-8f14-4c23-8c62-954512fc9f3fPost:5c4e13df-7709-43dc-b3fb-02896e14d03c">Re:New MIL not accepting my name change</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re:New MIL not accepting my name change: I DID take DH's last name and I agree with this completely. I think if OP hadn't thought it was a big deal and ignored it from the beginning, then that's her right and fine. But she didn't. It bothered her, and understandably so. <strong>What is the point of keeping your name or changing it if you're just going to let everyone else railroad you into going by whatever THEY want to call you/introduce you as/etc.</strong>
    Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]

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    </div><div>If my MIL introduced me by the incorrect name, I'd shake the new acquaintence's hand and say,"I actually go by Jen Smith-Jones."  </div><div>
    </div><div>It's not very nice, but I bet it'd work. </div><div>
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  • Thanks ladies.  I think J&K's last comment is more clear than how I could have said it, but I do think it has to be addressed.  She's not going anywhere, and all I can do is politely and clearly state my position now and then if need be briefly remind her if she makes a "mistake" later.  H (I keep typing FI still!) is used to her being a little too clingy/involved, and gets very firm with her when he needs to be.  It works, but I don't want to cause a situation where MIL starts seeing me as gettng in the way of her and H's relationship.  Getting H involved would be a last resort, and while it would get me called the correct name it might also result in me being called a few extra names...

    I think I will have to give her a call, even though I REALLY don't want to.  I'm super embarrassed by this; but I'm a crier.  Every time I get overly emotional I start bawling right away, and I know I will here as well.  I guess I will try the rehearsing and writing up some talking points (including compliment sandwich ideas! I like that) to have in front of me and try my best to keep it together.

    Can I just say, this whole mess is making me very glad we're putting off having kids for a few years?  She is going to go BSC when she finds out we aren't baptizing them.  This is a good time to work out how best to deal with her personal opinions vs ours.
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_new-mil-not-accepting-my-name-change?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:0cb47316-8f14-4c23-8c62-954512fc9f3fPost:d758fdfa-7745-4671-9ac6-327cfbda5dc2">Re: New MIL not accepting my name change</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: New MIL not accepting my name change : I agree that it's completely appropriate for her to let MIL know. And she already has; it just didn't work. 
    Posted by willywally5[/QUOTE]

    So she should just drop it?  And let her MIL call her whatever she wants because she's a bully?   

    Sorry, but my name is a big deal to me.  Sounds like it's a big deal to OP too.  For me, yes, this would be a hill to die on.  It's her name, FFS.  Perhaps it's not a big deal to you, and that's fine and dandy.  But that doesn't mean everyone feels the same.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re:New MIL not accepting my name change : If my MIL introduced me by the incorrect name, I'd shake the new acquaintence's hand and say,"I actually go by Jen Smith-Jones."   It's not very nice, but I bet it'd work. 
    Posted by willywally5[/QUOTE]


    How on EARTH is passive aggressive better than being direct and respectful? 

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re:New MIL not accepting my name change : How on EARTH is passive aggressive better than being direct and respectful? 
    Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

    <div>Because in this instance, direct and respectful didn't work. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. </div>
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  • NYC, i understand getting emotional and crying.  Sucks, huh?  Since your H knows his mom well, can you enlist his help to practice?  Seriously, role play it out.  He knows her, he knows ways she might respond.  Then you can responses to some of her potential responses planned out.  Being prepared always makes me feel better and more steady.  Or are you trying to avoid his involvement altogether?

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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_new-mil-not-accepting-my-name-change?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:0cb47316-8f14-4c23-8c62-954512fc9f3fPost:dfb9681d-be02-4f39-9dd0-b0855133c901">Re:New MIL not accepting my name change</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re:New MIL not accepting my name change : Because in this instance, direct and respectful didn't work. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. 
    Posted by willywally5[/QUOTE]

    But the whole basis of your argument to not say something to her was that it would end badly and blow up.  Did you change your mind?

    I'm not following you at all. 

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: New MIL not accepting my name change : So she should just drop it?  And let her MIL call her whatever she wants because she's a bully?    Sorry, but my name is a big deal to me.  Sounds like it's a big deal to OP too.  For me, yes, this would be a hill to die on.  It's her name, FFS.  Perhaps it's not a big deal to you, and that's fine and dandy.  But that doesn't mean everyone feels the same.
    Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

    <div>As I said before, I think she needs to decide if this is a hill upon which she wants to die. I think her MIL is whacked, disrespectul and nasty. I also think she can talk until she is blue in the face and it will make no difference. If OP really feels the need to revisit it, trying once more in person was my suggestion. And then be done with it. MIL will either come around or not; to me it's not worth creating  months or years of futile battle about it.</div>
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  • FWIW, my FIL was staunchly against my decision to not take H's name.  In fact, he actually said to me, "If you're not combining finances or taking his last name, I don't even know why you bothered to get married."  He called me Mrs. H'slastname at least a dozen times during the reception, even though he knew at that point I wasn't changing it.  He continued to introduce us to people as "My son Kyle, and the Mrs. H'slastname."

    I got a birthday card from him last week addressed to my correct name.

    It can be done with patience and persistence.  Good luck, NYC!

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  • I'm team J&K on this one and I took my H's name. There's a reason people choose to not take their H's name or choose to hyphenate, and those decisions(whether you're privy to the reasons or not) should be respected by everyone. INCLUDING MIL.

    OP I would let your H know what's going on, but talk with her yourself. That way he's not blindsided by her if she decides to try and drag him in on her side. At least he'll know what's going on if the subject is broached with him.
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_new-mil-not-accepting-my-name-change?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:0cb47316-8f14-4c23-8c62-954512fc9f3fPost:c52d091b-f976-45e1-a2e8-c637d8199316">Re:New MIL not accepting my name change</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re:New MIL not accepting my name change : But the whole basis of your argument to not say something to her was that it would end badly and blow up.  Did you change your mind? I'm not following you at all. 
    Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

    Look, any way OP approaches it is going to blow up in my opinion. Writing about it in an email didn't work and pissed MIL off. My guess is an actual letter or conversation will have the same effect. And, while they both piss MIL off,  neither of those will get MIL to call OP what she wants to be called. 
    <div>
    </div><div>So if she's going to piss her off anyway, my feeling is that something on that order is the only way OP could actually have ANY HOPE of getting her MIL to use the correct name. </div><div>
    </div><div>Is it nice? No. But it might be effective. </div><div>
    </div><div>Like I said, OP needs to decide how much she wants to fight this. </div>
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: New MIL not accepting my name change : As I said before, I think she needs to decide if this is a hill upon which she wants to die. I think her MIL is whacked, disrespectul and nasty. I also think she can talk until she is blue in the face and it will make no difference. If OP really feels the need to revisit it, trying once more in person was my suggestion. And then be done with it. <strong>MIL will either come around or not; to me it's not worth creating  months or years of futile battle about it.
    </strong>Posted by willywally5[/QUOTE]

    It might not be worth it to you, but if OP feels strongly about it, it may be worth it to her to continue to try and push the issue. I wouldn't roll over on this because it's MY name, not anyone else's.
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_new-mil-not-accepting-my-name-change?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:0cb47316-8f14-4c23-8c62-954512fc9f3fPost:205b0100-13cd-41cf-92f7-0a0ddf5e3449">Re: New MIL not accepting my name change</a>:
    [QUOTE]FWIW, my FIL was staunchly against my decision to not take H's name.  In fact, he actually said to me, "If you're not combining finances or taking his last name, I don't even know why you bothered to get married."  He called me Mrs. H'slastname at least a dozen times during the reception, even though he knew at that point I wasn't changing it.  He continued to introduce us to people as "My son Kyle, and the Mrs. H'slastname." I got a birthday card from him last week addressed to my correct name. It can be done with patience and persistence.  Good luck, NYC!
    Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

    <div>Did you have multiple discussions about it, though? Or did he just come around in time? </div>
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  • J&K10910J&K10910 member
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    edited July 2012
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_new-mil-not-accepting-my-name-change?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:0cb47316-8f14-4c23-8c62-954512fc9f3fPost:69887bb8-c8bc-49b3-b4ba-0f0325e74121">Re: New MIL not accepting my name change</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: New MIL not accepting my name change : Did you have multiple discussions about it, though? Or did he just come around in time? 
    Posted by willywally5[/QUOTE]

    We gently corrected him (in private, respectfully) every time we heard him use my incorrect last name.

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