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Loss of Bridesmaid (FSIL) (long)

My FI and I have been engaged since Feb 2010.  When we got engaged, we were aware of his sister's (I'll call her "K") health.  She was in stage 4 of a rare blood cancer (and had been for almost 4 years).  We originally planned the wedding for October 2010, and a couple of months later I had asked my very close family/friends to be my bridesmaids.  (My two sisters as MOH, best friend as BM, and FI's two sisters (both to which I am very close).)  At the time I had asked the girls to be my BMs, we all knew that K had cancer and it was more than likely she wouldn't make it until October.  Because of this, I had asked my very close friend, "J", who lives halfway across the country, to be my stand-in BM, just in case K wouldn't have been able to be a part.  J agreed to do so.

Later we decided, because of the possibility of K not making it, we pushed the wedding date back to spring of 2011. We were putting into consideration the following: 1) we did not want to be grieving while getting married, 2) we kept finding ourselves planning (or trying to plan) around her sickness (whether or not she would be well enough), and 3) we also did not want our wedding date to be so closely attached to her possible death. 

K passed away on Mother's Day 2010.  It took me almost three months before I could even think about any wedding plans again.  We didn't even decide on a date until September.  Our wedding date is 06.25.2011.  Since I've started planning again, J, my friend from afar, has become pregnant and is due end of June.

So until today I thought: I'm going to have 4 BMs instead of 5.  So, no one will be taking the place of K, as we feel she is irreplaceable.  FI will have 5 GM.  This is acceptable.  And, I guess I feel like I've been wanting a way to "remember her" at the wedding, so this will be good if her name is on the program showing some sort of dedication to her memory, etc., etc., 

Well this was until...now my FI has decided he would only like 4 GM.  I know it evens it out, but it won't make as much of a "rememberance" (I can't find the right words) to her if it doesn't appear there's an empty space.  Man, does any of this even make any sense?  Ugh...it's such a sensitive subject with the family and I don't want to step on any toes, especially those of my FI. 

I think I need to stick with having 4 BM, 4 GM, and then find another way to pay tribute to her.  This way to pay tribute will need to be pretty big...not just a little token of appreciation...but something bigger and more loving!  She was a huge part of the family and has been taken from all of us and we're so excited to be getting married, but she was such a huge encouragement throughout our relationship, so it's necessary to honor her life. 

Sorry everyone...I know this long...but I am obviously confused and my brain is swimming with how to handle the loss of my dear FSIL while still celebrating our wedding!   Thanks in advance for any advice. 
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  • Why did your FI take the number down? Is he kicking someone out?
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    [QUOTE]My FI and I have been engaged since Feb 2010.  When we got engaged, we were aware of his sister's (I'll call her "K") health.  She was in stage 4 of a rare blood cancer (and had been for almost 4 years).  We originally planned the wedding for October 2010, and a couple of months later I had asked my very close family/friends to be my bridesmaids.  (My two sisters as MOH, best friend as BM, and FI's two sisters (both to which I am very close).)  At the time I had asked the girls to be my BMs, we all knew that K had cancer and it was more than likely she wouldn't make it until October.  Because of this, I had asked my very close friend, "J", who lives halfway across the country, to be my stand-in BM, just in case K wouldn't have been able to be a part.  J agreed to do so. Later we decided, because of the possibility of K not making it, we pushed the wedding date back to spring of 2011. We were putting into consideration the following: 1) we did not want to be grieving while getting married, 2) we kept finding ourselves planning (or trying to plan) around her sickness (whether or not she would be well enough), and 3) we also did not want our wedding date to be so closely attached to her possible death.  K passed away on Mother's Day 2010.  It took me almost three months before I could even think about any wedding plans again.  We didn't even decide on a date until September.  Our wedding date is 06.25.2011.  Since I've started planning again, J, my friend from afar, has become pregnant and is due end of June. So until today I thought: I'm going to have 4 BMs instead of 5.  So, no one will be taking the place of K, as we feel she is irreplaceable.  FI will have 5 GM.  This is acceptable.  And, I guess I feel like I've been wanting a way to "remember her" at the wedding, so this will be good if her name is on the program showing some sort of dedication to her memory, etc., etc.,  Well this was until...now my FI has decided he would only like 4 GM.  I know it evens it out, but it won't make as much of a "rememberance" (I can't find the right words) to her if it doesn't appear there's an empty space.  Man, does any of this even make any sense?  Ugh...it's such a sensitive subject with the family and I don't want to step on any toes, especially those of my FI.  I think I need to stick with having 4 BM, 4 GM, and then find another way to pay tribute to her.  This way to pay tribute will need to be pretty big...not just a little token of appreciation...but something bigger and more loving!  She was a huge part of the family and has been taken from all of us and we're so excited to be getting married, but she was such a huge encouragement throughout our relationship, so it's necessary to honor her life.  Sorry everyone...I know this long...but I am obviously confused and my brain is swimming with how to handle the loss of my dear FSIL while still celebrating our wedding!   Thanks in advance for any advice. 
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  • First of all, I am really sorry about the loss of K.. very sad.

    I can understand your concern about not  "honoring her presence" fully due to having a different number of people in the wedding party, but I don't think it takes a way in the very least from her memory.   The way I see it is, you are honoring her presence and memory by mentioning her in the program and you could always light a memorial candle.  DH and I had this @ our wedding (we each have lost a parent), but the two candles were lit by our Matron of Honor/Best Man.

    I think you'll be just fine with the current number you have..  best of luck planning.. I am sure it'll be a beautiful event.
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  • Yes, the one he took out is my sister's ex-FI.  There's a lot of awkardness there, so I agree with him that he should be removed from the wedding party.  However, he doesn't want anyone else for a GM. 
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  • Thank you all for replies so far.  Sorry, I know it's confusing...as I am confused. :)

    I should mention:

    *FI has not asked my sister's ex-FI to be a GM yet, so he would not have known.

    *Yeah, we've heard of the uneven bridal party, and neither of us would have an issue with that. 

    *I think I've got the number of WP members figured out...  Now I just need to find the best way to honor her.  I like the idea of the extra bouquet.  I think maybe it would be best if my other FSIL hold her bouquet though. 

    Anyway...thank you all for help so far!!
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  • I'm so sorry for your loss.  It must have been devastating for you all.

    As for memorializing her at the ceremony:  please, please, please check with your FI's family about what they're comfortable with.  While their loss will never, ever go away, they might want to avoid too much on their son's wedding day.

    Did K have a favorite flower?  Can you make that your bouquet?  Can you get your FI cufflinks with his sister's name or initials engraved on them?  Can you have a memory candle or mention of her in the program?  Can your officiant include her in a prayer during the ceremony or in the grace before the meal?  Perhaps she had a piece of jewelry, or earrings that you can wear on wedding day.

    The number of people in your WP should not be the homage to his sister.  There are so many subtle, lovely ways to remember K.  But the number of friends who stand up with you shouldn't, IMO be one of them.
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  • I'm sorry for you loss.  I don't really understand the whole thing with J being a backup BM.  How to you say to someone, "My FSIL is a BM but has cancer.  If she dies soon will you fill in for her?"  Sounds like you treated J pretty crappy.  And is the only reason that you are now not having J as a BM that she is pregnant?

    I agree with PP that you should just list K in the program as a bridesmaid or maybe honorary BM.  I wouldn't force uneven sides just to have an empty spot to honor your late SIL.
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    [QUOTE]Thank you all for replies so far.  Sorry, I know it's confusing...as I am confused. :) I should mention: *FI has not asked my sister's ex-FI to be a GM yet, so he would not have known. *Yeah, we've heard of the uneven bridal party, and neither of us would have an issue with that.  *I think I've got the number of WP members figured out...  Now I just need to find the best way to honor her.  I like the idea of the extra bouquet.  <strong>I think maybe it would be best if my other FSIL hold her bouquet though. </strong> Anyway...thank you all for help so far!!
    Posted by jenfler[/QUOTE]

    Well if he wasn't asked, then no harm done.

    The bolded part is always a nice idea.
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    [QUOTE]I'm sorry for you loss. <strong> I don't really understand the whole thing with J being a backup BM.  How to you say to someone, "My FSIL is a BM but has cancer.  If she dies soon will you fill in for her?"  Sounds like you treated J pretty crappy.  And is the only reason that you are now not having J as a BM that she is pregnant? </strong>I agree with PP that you should just list K in the program as a bridesmaid or maybe honorary BM.  I wouldn't force uneven sides just to have an empty spot to honor your late SIL.
    Posted by SaraAndrew2010[/QUOTE]

    How in the world did I miss that part?

    OP, please explain this. It doesn't sound very nice.
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  • Oh, man....sorry that was important detail forgotten. :/

    This was not an awkward thing between us.  I wouldn't ask someone that question in that way.  J lives in Oregon...I live in Minnesota.  We found out that she was pregnant after we had agreed that if I wanted her to, she would fill in.  Understandably, since she is pregnant, she is not comfortable traveling...not only that, but her due date is the same weekend as the wedding.  We both discussed, like bffs do and we're both good with that decision.  I would LOVE to have her in my wedding, but she has stepped down...and will not be able to travel at all because she could go into labor while traveling.

    Please don't read into that the wrong way.  J and I are best friends and are on very good terms.
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    Her stepping down is fine and understandable if she's not comfy doing it.

    But I don't understand asking her to be on stand by? If his sister was still alive and she was able to travel, would she still be welcome to be in the wedding? It comes off as "You weren't good enough to make the cut the first time, but if we have a hole, will you please fill it?"

    You seem like a really sweet person and I don't think you intentionally went about it that way, but it is really bad form to ask someone to do that. Obviously she's okay and you're okay and your friendship is okay so it looks like you dodged a bullet, which is good, but for future reference (if you're helping friends plan weddings or giving advice) having someone 'on deck' as I like to call it like that is not a nice thing to do. Even if the person is okay with it, you could also end up slighting the other members of your WP who think they're replaceable.

    Just something to think about.
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  • So sorry for the loss of K.  I understand your need to honour her.  However, it may not be FIs family wish to have such a prominent display of your loss.  Especially when the day is about you and your relationship and your happiness.  How about carrying a small, locket sized photo of her in your bouquet?  You will know that you have honoured her, and you can show it to those that ask.  Enjoy your wedding planning, it sounds like your family really needs something to celebrate right now.  You're giving them that chance.

  • I was at a wedding recently where they had lost a sister. They had a candle on a separate table to the side of where the BM's were standing and the other sister put a small bouquet on it. Maybe something like this would be what your looking for? Although I definitely think I would check with the family first to see if they would be comfortable. PP's are right, sometimes they just want the focus of the day to be on the happy couple. But I think it's sweet that you're being so considerate.
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  • I have nothing to add, other than that I'm so sorry for your loss.  She may not be at the wedding physically, but she will be there with you all in spirit.  Totally cliche, I know, but I believe it.
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    [QUOTE]So sorry for the loss of K.  I understand your need to honour her.  However, it may not be FIs family wish to have such a prominent display of your loss.  Especially when the day is about you and your relationship and your happiness.  <strong>How about carrying a small, locket sized photo of her in your bouquet?</strong>  You will know that you have honoured her, and you can show it to those that ask.  Enjoy your wedding planning, it sounds like your family really needs something to celebrate right now.  You're giving them that chance.
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    Oh I like this idea! My in-laws just gave me a picture charm (like for a bracelet), but you can wear it on a necklace too. It is not quite a locket but more like a tiny oval shaped picture frame. You could secure it around your bouquet. That might be a small, but meaningful way for you and FIs family to have her with you. I think they bought mine at Barmakian, I can't find it on their website- but it was something like this (only nicer):

    <a href="http://www.walmart.com/ip/Silver-Tone-Charms-Heart-and-Picture-Frame-for-Baby-Boy/15126407?findingMethod=rr">http://www.walmart.com/ip/Silver-Tone-Charms-Heart-and-Picture-Frame-for-Baby-Boy/15126407?findingMethod=rr</a>

    And after the wedding you could give it to someone, or hold onto it.

    I did something similar by wrapping my grandmother's rosary beads around my bouquet. (though this was also my something old/borrowed/blue).


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    [QUOTE]I was at a wedding recently where they had lost a sister. They had a candle on a separate table to the side of where the BM's were standing and the other sister put a small bouquet on it. Maybe something like this would be what your looking for? Although I definitely think I would check with the family first to see if they would be comfortable. PP's are right, sometimes they just want the focus of the day to be on the happy couple. But I think it's sweet that you're being so considerate.
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    I love this idea, although I also agree that checking with the rest of your FI's family might be a good thing to do first.

    Also, having her mentioned in the program as an honorary attendant would be a lovely gesture.

    Many brides and grooms  make a short speech at the beginning of the reception, thanking everyone for coming, thanking their families, etc. I think that would also be an appropriate moment to mention her and her impact on your life as a couple.
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  • Sorry for your loss. That really stinks :(

    Ditto the others, DEFINTIELY talk to your in-laws first. You may not know exactly how they're feeling about this, and they may have ideas of their own - or they may want

    My mother-in-law died about 7 years before our wedding, so it wasn't even a fresh loss for my husband and his family. I had a few ideas of what we could do to honor her during our wedding, but when I ran them all by my now-husband, he politely turned them down. Turns out that he preferred to do nothing public (no candles, prayers, significant songs, dances, special pieces of jewelry or bouquet charms, leaving my bouquet at her grave the next day nothing), and he just wanted to remember her privately.

    He didn't want an outpouring of grief at our wedding, and it was emotional enough when his mother's two sisters did a reading for us and got a little weepy ... had MIL been mentioned, it would have been a lot sadder, and MH didn't want that. Everyone knew she's gone, everyone knew he/we miss her ... MH didn't see a need to point that out any further. So I just wanted to throw that out there, so that you don't feel shot down or insulted, in the possible event that your in-laws ask you not to do anything for FSIL.
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  • I think PPs have offered you some wonderful suggestions.  I don't have anything to add to them, except for that I'm so sorry for your loss.
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