BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP

KellySamara5 · March 2012

How would you all go about telling someone they had to cover their new tattoos for the wedding?

One of my BM never had any tattoos and didn;t have any when I asked her to be in the WP. She recently decided 4 months before the wedding that she was going to get a tattoo across her chest and start a sleeve!!!!!

I don't want to be rude at all but I don't want a BM who has all these tattoos standing next to me on my day when everyone is supposed to be looking at me and my FH.

What do I do if she says she isn't going to get them covered with makeup.

Is it ok to pull her out of the party if she refuses?

I'm stuck!

TiffannieF · March 2012

Ok, think about this...

If you kick her out because she has tattoos just so your pictures will look good don't you think she will be incredibly hurt? Don't you think this is grounds for ending a relationship? Do you think its worth ruining a relationship? If you think it is then go ahead and lose your friend.

Otherwise you have no say over what people do with their bodies. You didn't ask her to a BM because she looks pretty and doesn't have tat's, you asked her because she is your friend. If people want to judge you because what she has done then you have shallow guests. But trust me, no one will and the spotlight WILL be on you and your FI.

MyNameIsNot · March 2012

You need to be honest with this person and explain that you care more about appearances than about her.

Once she sees your true colors, you won't have to worry about this anymore.

mbcdefg · March 2012

Just explain to her that you want the attention on yourself, not on her. She'll get it.

gurrlballa10 · March 2012

You honestly think that people will be distracted from the woman wearing the big white dress and the man exchanging rings? Seriously...unless you are having them stand facing the crowd, then in all reality, no one will probably even notice them. Calm yourself.

StephBeanWed61502 · March 2012

You could always try this:

"Hi Friend. I know that we're really close and all (since, you know, I asked you to be a BM and stand with me on my wedding day), but now you're getting super-ugly and distracting tattoos, and I really, really need you to cover them for the wedding BECAUSE NO ONE IS PERMITTED TO LOOK ANYWHERE OTHER THAN AT ME FOR THE ENTIRE DURATION OF THE DAY. So, unless you agree to alter your appearance for my special, special day, I'm going to have to ask you not to be a BM anymore, because making sure that my pictures are 'perfect' and that all of the attention is solely on me at all times is more important to me than our friendship. Is that okay?"

I promise you that after that little speech you will have no more problems from this girl (likely because she'll be appalled by how shallow you are and will never speak to you again, but hey, at least no one will be looking at her tattoos on your wedding day, right?).

KellySamara5 · March 2012

In response to pp's post, I'm not shallow and I don't think my friend is ugly at all so way to be snarky, appreciate it!

To everyone else's posts thanks for the comments.

mbody · March 2012

OP, I TOTALLY get where you're coming from!! Like, I asked a good friend of mine to be a BM about 6-7 months ago well, since then, she stopped working out and eating healthy and gained quite a bit of weight from it. She's not going to look great in the dress I picked out for her. Should I tell her to go on a diet or just kick her out of the wedding party?

See how ridiculous that sounds?! It's kinda the same thing, right?! Don't you love and care about your friends because, I don't know, of WHO they are? Does the tattoos change who she is?!

PLEASE PLEASE don't mention them to her. That's extremely hurtful!!

But on the otherhand, if you care more about the appearance and 'look' of your wedding then a friendship, go right ahead and ask her to cover them. But, don't expect the friendship to last much longer.

Edit: p.s. my above situation is completely made-up.

jsm300 · March 2012

It's your wedding day and if something that will show up in your pictures - that you'd like to display for the next hundred years - bothers you, I think it's quite acceptable to calmly and sweetly ask how your friend would feel about covering up the tattoos with the cover-up make up that's made specifically for this purpose (I've seen it advertised in bridal magazines actually!).

If I were you and my friend refused to cover them up, I'd say, "Ok" and be done with the issue. (But I might request the photographer look for angles/ways to discreetly make the tattoos less obvious...)

mbody · March 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_bm-and-her-new-tattoos-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:e5eb43d9-38b8-4f9c-bb76-0edc2c00f7c5Post:73207e86-3662-4c76-859c-7101070250ad">Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP</a>:
[QUOTE]In response to pp's post, I'm not shallow and I don't think my friend is ugly at all so way to be snarky, appreciate it! To everyone else's posts thanks for the comments.
Posted by KellySamara5[/QUOTE]
But re read your post. How do you think you sound?

Don't say anything to your friend about her tattoos, at all. We're only trying to help you keep the friendship- which I assume is important to you, since you asked her to be a BM in your wedding.

mbody · March 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_bm-and-her-new-tattoos-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:e5eb43d9-38b8-4f9c-bb76-0edc2c00f7c5Post:0c7f6415-84c4-42bc-a9de-aa63f281ef0a">Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP</a>:
[QUOTE]It's your wedding day and if something that will show up in your pictures - that you'd like to display for the next hundred years - bothers you, I think it's quite acceptable to calmly and sweetly ask how your friend would feel about covering up the tattoos with the cover-up make up that's made specifically for this purpose (I've seen it advertised in bridal magazines actually!). If I were you and my friend refused to cover them up, I'd say, "Ok" and be done with the issue. (But I might request the photographer look for angles/ways to discreetly make the tattoos less obvious...)
Posted by jsm300[/QUOTE]
Yes, of course, companies that make tattoo cover up make-up are going to advertise their products in bridal magazine. There are brides that might want to cover up their own ink for the occassion. And there are brides out there that might request friends to do so, but just because it's in a bridal magazine, doesn't make it right to request it of a friend.

ceh789 · March 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_bm-and-her-new-tattoos-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:e5eb43d9-38b8-4f9c-bb76-0edc2c00f7c5Post:73207e86-3662-4c76-859c-7101070250ad">Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP</a>:
[QUOTE]In response to pp's post, I'm not shallow and I don't think my friend is ugly at all so way to be snarky, appreciate it! To everyone else's posts thanks for the comments.
Posted by KellySamara5[/QUOTE]
Perhaps, instead of calling people snarky, you should consider why they think what you wrote is shallow and that you think your friend is ugly.

jsm300 · March 2012

I agree that the original question comes across a bit harsh, but if something about your appearance bothered your very good friend - the bride - so much that she posts a question on a message board famous for rude and immature responses, wouldn't you want to at least be politely asked about it?

I'm not on these message boards to make people feel bad about themselves, I'm here to ask for advice and to give advice when asked. Not to directly insult a complete stranger. *hint*

mbody · March 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_bm-and-her-new-tattoos-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:e5eb43d9-38b8-4f9c-bb76-0edc2c00f7c5Post:c61fe834-27ad-4cb2-ad72-3d824f8036c1">Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP</a>:
[QUOTE]I agree that the original question comes across a bit harsh, but if something about your appearance bothered your very good friend - the bride - so much that she posts a question on a message board famous for rude and immature responses, wouldn't you want to at least be politely asked about it? I'm not on these message boards to make people feel bad about themselves, I'm here to ask for advice and to give advice when asked. Not to directly insult a complete stranger. *hint*
Posted by jsm300[/QUOTE]
I think you might be missing the point. Appearance really shouldn't 'bother a very good friend.' Appearance is just what it is- appearance. It shouldn't ever be an issue between two people who are friends. It doesn't matter if the 'friend' is a bride. In fact, in my option, I think it's even ruder because it's giving the impression that the 'friend/bride' cares more about the look of her wedding than about WHO the person is and what that relationship means to them. Know what I mean?

MiksChick23 · March 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_bm-and-her-new-tattoos-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:e5eb43d9-38b8-4f9c-bb76-0edc2c00f7c5Post:01378f7e-389d-482d-8797-aab0e056cf84">Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP</a>:
[QUOTE]Ok, think about this... If you kick her out because she has tattoos just so your pictures will look good don't you think she will be incredibly hurt? Don't you think this is grounds for ending a relationship? Do you think its worth ruining a relationship? If you think it is then go ahead and lose your friend. Otherwise you have no say over what people do with their bodies. You didn't ask her to a BM because she looks pretty and doesn't have tat's, you asked her because she is your friend. If people want to judge you because what she has done then you have shallow guests. But trust me, no one will and the spotlight WILL be on you and your FI.
Posted by TiffannieF[/QUOTE]

This.

Another PP noted that they WOULD NOTICE large tattoos but that =/= BAD. I'm not a big fan of them, especially in an elegant dress, so...I don't have any. A couple of my BM do, and, that's what they chose to do to their body, and they matter more to me than their tattoos.

midgetthemighty · March 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_bm-and-her-new-tattoos-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:37Discussion:e5eb43d9-38b8-4f9c-bb76-0edc2c00f7c5Post:5c0bdf61-a44b-4687-a5d2-48f87afbe7bf">Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP : I think you might be missing the point. Appearance really shouldn't 'bother a very good friend.' Appearance is just what it is- appearance. It shouldn't ever be an issue between two people who are friends. It doesn't matter if the 'friend' is a bride. In fact, in my option, I think it's even ruder because it's giving the impression that the 'friend/bride' cares more about the look of her wedding than about WHO the person is and what that relationship means to them. Know what I mean?
Posted by mbody[/QUOTE]

*dingdingding* Very nicely said. People always trump appearances. The people in your (general) wedding party are not props or dolls to do with as you please.

StephBeanWed61502 · March 2012

<div align="left">In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_bm-and-her-new-tattoos-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:37Discussion:e5eb43d9-38b8-4f9c-bb76-0edc2c00f7c5Post:73207e86-3662-4c76-859c-7101070250ad">Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP</a>:
[QUOTE]In response to pp's post, I'm not shallow and I don't think my friend is ugly at all so way to be snarky, appreciate it! To everyone else's posts thanks for the comments.
Posted by KellySamara5[/QUOTE]

If you are kicking a close friend out of your bridal party because you don't like her appearance (which, FYI, is what you're doing), then yes, you are being shallow. Her appearance is more important to you than having her there to participate as a BM in your wedding. You don't like the way I phrased it, but nothing I said is different in meaning from anything you said in your OP. If you don't like the way I phrased it, then maybe you should think a little harder about the way you're considering treating your friend.</div>

OBX2011 · March 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_bm-and-her-new-tattoos-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:37Discussion:e5eb43d9-38b8-4f9c-bb76-0edc2c00f7c5Post:80be2cf9-2864-46a0-89a3-c1e1ee11b8fd">BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP</a>:
[QUOTE]How would you all go about telling someone they had to cover their new tattoos for the wedding? One of my BM never had any tattoos and didn;t have any when I asked her to be in the WP. She recently decided 4 months before the wedding that she was going to get a tattoo across her chest and start a sleeve!!!!! I don't want to be rude at all but I don't want a BM who has all these tattoos standing next to me on my day when everyone is supposed to be looking at me and my FH. What do I do if she says she isn't going to get them covered with makeup. Is it ok to pull her out of the party if she refuses? I'm stuck!
Posted by KellySamara5[/QUOTE]

You don't tell her to cover them up. You asked her to be in your WP b/c of who she is and what she means to you, not b/c of what she looks like.

I am sorry, but you sound like a pretty shitty friend if you are more concerned about what everyone else will think of her and her tattoos and even crappier if you kick her out of the WP for this.

That sends the message, loud & clear mind you: "you were good enough to be in my WP when you didn't have tattoos, but since you have decided to ink yourself up, I no longer think you are pretty or good enough to stand up there b/c I don't want it to make me and H look bad, so you are no longer part of my WP" That is exactly how your friend is going to take this and you would be the one responsible for making her feel this way. Now, do you reaaaaalllyyy want that on your shoulders? I doubt it.

Posts like this really irk the daylights outta me.

OBX2011 · March 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_bm-and-her-new-tattoos-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:37Discussion:e5eb43d9-38b8-4f9c-bb76-0edc2c00f7c5Post:c61fe834-27ad-4cb2-ad72-3d824f8036c1">Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP</a>:
[QUOTE]I agree that the original question comes across a bit harsh, but if something about your appearance bothered your very good friend - the bride - so much that she posts a question on a message board famous for honest and blunt responses, wouldn't you want to at least be politely asked about it? I'm not on these message boards to make people feel bad about themselves, I'm here to ask for advice and to give advice when asked. Not to directly insult a complete stranger. *hint*
Posted by jsm300[/QUOTE]

Fixed that for ya ;)

This isn't the Wedding Bee...we don't sugarcoat anything over here. If you want someone to tell you that your bad idea is a good one, then I suggest you go over there.

And please do not confuse the truth as an insult. They are two very different things.

zitiqueen · March 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_bm-and-her-new-tattoos-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:37Discussion:e5eb43d9-38b8-4f9c-bb76-0edc2c00f7c5Post:0c7f6415-84c4-42bc-a9de-aa63f281ef0a">Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP</a>:
[QUOTE]It's your wedding day and if something that will show up in your pictures - that you'd like to display for the next hundred years - bothers you, I think it's quite acceptable to calmly and sweetly ask how your friend would feel about covering up the tattoos with the cover-up make up that's made specifically for this purpose (I've seen it advertised in bridal magazines actually!). If I were you and my friend refused to cover them up, I'd say, "Ok" and be done with the issue. (But I might request the photographer look for angles/ways to discreetly make the tattoos less obvious...)
Posted by jsm300[/QUOTE]

Many bridal shows also rent booths to vendors who offer liposuction for the big day. Based on your "if the wedding industry encourages it, it MUST be okay!" logic, it's perfectly acceptable to tell your fatty-fatty-two-by-four BM that if she doesn't get her saddlebags and backfat hoovered, she won't be standing up next to you.

StephBeanWed61502 · March 2012

<div align="left">In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_bm-and-her-new-tattoos-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:37Discussion:e5eb43d9-38b8-4f9c-bb76-0edc2c00f7c5Post:55dfb063-ee85-41e7-955f-3c7134c6bfd2">Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP : Many bridal shows also rent booths to vendors who offer liposuction for the big day. Based on your "if the wedding industry encourages it, it MUST be okay!" logic, it's perfectly acceptable to tell your fatty-fatty-two-by-four BM that if she doesn't get her saddlebags and backfat hoovered, she won't be standing up next to you.
Posted by zitiqueen[/QUOTE]

But ziti, the lipo request is fine as long as the bride pays for it, right?</div>

jcg98 · March 2012

OP, I promise you, your BM's tattoos will not deflect attention from you and your groom on your wedding day. I speak from personal experience - one of my BMs, my cousin/goddaughter, has several very visible tattoos. You know what I see when I look at my pictures? Her lovely happy face, celebrating with us.

dubird · March 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_bm-and-her-new-tattoos-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:e5eb43d9-38b8-4f9c-bb76-0edc2c00f7c5Post:9fa934b4-2812-48ff-bad5-23fcc0654ab7">Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP : But ziti, the lipo request is fine as long as the bride pays for it, right?
Posted by StephBeanWed61502[/QUOTE]

Hey, if I was a BM in a wedding and the bride offered to pay for lipo, I don't care how shallow and petty she is, I'd jump on it! And make sure she pays for my laser corrective surgery too so the pictures won't have me in glasses. I wouldn't cut my hair though, that's just too far. XD

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OP, are you saying you wouldn't have asked someone you consider a close friend to be in your WP if she had a tattoo when you asked her? How do you not see how shallow that is? You say you're not, but the question you just asked is a very shallow one. It makes you sound like a person that only values what your friend looks like, not who she is. Wheither or not you are, that's the impression you've given all of us.

Viczaesar · March 2012

In 5 years no one is going to give a flying fuuck about your wedding pictures, and when people remember your wedding they're not going to say "There was someone in a white dress but I didn't really pay attention to what she was doing because there was someone else with a TATTOO!!! ZOMGELEVENTYBILLION!!!!!"

Seriously, you're not putting on a production. You're getting married. This is not your 15 minutes of fame and you don't get to treat your friends like they're props to make your pictures look pretty.

OBX2011 · March 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_bm-and-her-new-tattoos-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:37Discussion:e5eb43d9-38b8-4f9c-bb76-0edc2c00f7c5Post:0c7f6415-84c4-42bc-a9de-aa63f281ef0a">Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP</a>:
[QUOTE]It's your wedding day and if something that will show up in your pictures - that you'd like to display for the next hundred years - bothers you, I think it's quite acceptable to calmly and sweetly ask how your friend would feel about covering up the tattoos with the cover-up make up that's made specifically for this purpose (I've seen it advertised in bridal magazines actually!). If I were you and my friend refused to cover them up, I'd say, "Ok" and be done with the issue. (But I might request the photographer look for angles/ways to discreetly make the tattoos less obvious...)
Posted by jsm300[/QUOTE]

And btw, running off to other boards to bictch & moan about the responses given here is pretty tacky.

If you have something to say, then by all means, say it to the person you are having a problem with.

ceh789 · March 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_bm-and-her-new-tattoos-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:e5eb43d9-38b8-4f9c-bb76-0edc2c00f7c5Post:e3313116-f734-4390-9ec8-6640e9c62976">Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP : Hey, if I was a BM in a wedding and the bride offered to pay for lipo, I don't care how shallow and petty she is, I'd jump on it!
Posted by dubird[/QUOTE]
I totally would too... and I'd make sure the check cleared before I told her what a godawful bitch she is and that I never wanted to speak to her again, let alone buy some lame dress to stand up at her awful wedding that I wouldn't be attending.

brookerich · March 2012

Wow.

To OP, I do think it is a bit disrespectful that you would even consider 'kicking" a bridesmaid out of your wedding simply based on her looks. I can understand that you might not prefer tattoos but the honesty of the situation is that not everyone feels that way. What each person chooses to do to his/her body is their business. Just because you don't like whats on the outisde of someone's body shouldn't mean that you don't still love whats on the inside.

Think about the reasons you asked this particular friend to be in your wedding to begin with. My guess is that none of those reasons will be "because she is tattoo free".

Will people see her tattoos on your wedding day? Yes. But what does it matter? Even if the tattoos show up in the pictures, this person is your friend and no matter what she looks like that fact doesn't change. If you're worried about judge-y people on your wedding day don't. You can't please everyone.

If you're worried that her tattoos will really distract from you and your groom I think that train of thought is a bit silly (and a bit selfish). I mean it is your wedding, and the people who will attend are coming to see you get married.

The bottom line is you can't "make" her cover them and by even asking you may cause an even bigger problem (how are those rumors going to sound when everyone finds out your a bridal party member short becuase you didn't like the way she looked?). Sure you could ask her to cover them, and she can either agree or disagree but you may lose her as a friend in the process.

What if the situations were reversed and you were in this persons wedding and a few months before you had some sort of acccident that was going to leave a big ol scar and this person asked you to cover it and if you refused then booted you out of the wedding because she was afraid your scar would be distracting? I know this is an extreme example but the points are the same, either way scar or tattoo its part of who this person is. Its just a very rude and uncaring move to worry so much about how a BM looks.

And in no way am I trying to be mean or snarky. I'm just giving my honest opinion.

bunni727 · March 2012

My MOH has at least ten tattoos that will for sure be showing, depending on how her dress fits. She has a full sleeve on one arm, both wrists, both feet are covered, a piece low on each thigh will peek out, a hummingbird on each shoulder, autopsy stitches across her chest, and the back of her neck has a shamrock. Oh, and she has a mohawk. And gauged ears. and a septum ring. No one else at the wedding will have visible tattoos/less conventiional piercings. She's going to stick out like a porcupine in a nudist colony

She's beautiful and the best friend I've ever had. She would cover them all in a heartbeat if I asked, but I would never in a million years want her to feel anything less than perfect exactly the way she is.

Please don't mention it, I'm sure none of us need any extra insecurities.

SugarFoote · March 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_bm-and-her-new-tattoos-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:e5eb43d9-38b8-4f9c-bb76-0edc2c00f7c5Post:85a0b50b-1d9d-4590-a2a9-52e0470b5532">Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP</a>:
[QUOTE]You need to be honest with this person and explain that you care more about appearances than about her. Once she sees your true colors, you won't have to worry about this anymore.
Posted by MyNameIsNot[/QUOTE]

This cracked me up. So true though!

zitiqueen · March 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_bm-and-her-new-tattoos-help?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:37Discussion:e5eb43d9-38b8-4f9c-bb76-0edc2c00f7c5Post:aae3941c-108a-4e1b-81d2-19412be8145e">Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: BM and her new Tattoos!!!! HELP : And btw, running off to other boards to bictch & moan about the responses given here is pretty tacky. If you have something to say, then by all means, say it to the person you are having a problem with.
Posted by OBX2011[/QUOTE]

Where else did she post?

mrszeno34 · March 2012

My MOH has a ton of visible tattoos, and asked me if I wanted her to cover them. I couldn't believe it!! They are part of who she is and part of what makes her an amazing, fantastic person who's stood by me thru thick and thin. I would never ask her to change even the tiniest detail about herself for my wedding day. If someone finds tattoos, in 2012, so distracting that they can't focus on my ceremony, so be it. As long as FI's eyes are on me, that's really all that matters...

whambulance made me laugh at loud...

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