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    AddieCake said:
    I don't understand the concept of knowing "he's planning to propose in the spring." If you know, and you're talking about it, aren't you're already engaged and he may as well just give you the ring so you can move on with planning?
    Sure, if that's what the couple wants. But some people don't feel the need to move on with the ring or planning, which is also fine. It doesn't mean the couple are walking through the world blind to the realities of how things could impact their (as-of-now-hypothetical-but-very-likely-happening-on-such-and-such-timeline) wedding. 
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    mrose88 said:
    AddieCake said:
    I don't understand the concept of knowing "he's planning to propose in the spring." If you know, and you're talking about it, aren't you're already engaged and he may as well just give you the ring so you can move on with planning?
    Sure, if that's what the couple wants. But some people don't feel the need to move on with the ring or planning, which is also fine. It doesn't mean the couple are walking through the world blind to the realities of how things could impact their (as-of-now-hypothetical-but-very-likely-happening-on-such-and-such-timeline) wedding. 
    You're kind of missing my point. 
    What did you think would happen if you walked up to a group of internet strangers and told them to get shoehorned by their lady doc?~StageManager14
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    AddieCake said:
    mrose88 said:
    AddieCake said:
    I don't understand the concept of knowing "he's planning to propose in the spring." If you know, and you're talking about it, aren't you're already engaged and he may as well just give you the ring so you can move on with planning?
    Sure, if that's what the couple wants. But some people don't feel the need to move on with the ring or planning, which is also fine. It doesn't mean the couple are walking through the world blind to the realities of how things could impact their (as-of-now-hypothetical-but-very-likely-happening-on-such-and-such-timeline) wedding. 
    You're kind of missing my point. 
    I really don't think I am. Your point seems to be that if someone is planning to propose, and they're openly talking about things like a wedding timeline, you don't understand why they don't consider themselves effectively engaged and just proceed as such. 

    I'm saying that if a couple doesn't want to consider themselves engaged until X event takes place, it's fine for them to exist in that weird in-between time of knowing a wedding will take place and reacting to the world accordingly (like being mindful of how other family weddings might impact the timeline they have discussed, as OP is doing).

    I think *most* human beings who have gotten engaged and married have spent at least *some* time in that weird in-between. Which is why I find it so weird that so many people on this board seem to balk at it, I guess. 
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    mrose88 said:
    AddieCake said:
    mrose88 said:
    AddieCake said:
    I don't understand the concept of knowing "he's planning to propose in the spring." If you know, and you're talking about it, aren't you're already engaged and he may as well just give you the ring so you can move on with planning?
    Sure, if that's what the couple wants. But some people don't feel the need to move on with the ring or planning, which is also fine. It doesn't mean the couple are walking through the world blind to the realities of how things could impact their (as-of-now-hypothetical-but-very-likely-happening-on-such-and-such-timeline) wedding. 
    You're kind of missing my point. 
    I really don't think I am. Your point seems to be that if someone is planning to propose, and they're openly talking about things like a wedding timeline, you don't understand why they don't consider themselves effectively engaged and just proceed as such. 

    I'm saying that if a couple doesn't want to consider themselves engaged until X event takes place, it's fine for them to exist in that weird in-between time of knowing a wedding will take place and reacting to the world accordingly (like being mindful of how other family weddings might impact the timeline they have discussed, as OP is doing).

    I think *most* human beings who have gotten engaged and married have spent at least *some* time in that weird in-between. Which is why I find it so weird that so many people on this board seem to balk at it, I guess. 
    Be mindful of whatever future things may occur. I don't care. Start actively planning. I don't care. Don't start actively planning. I don't care. My point is more that once you know the ring is coming, it's silly to be waiting on a proposal. What's the point of a staged proposal at that point? To know a proposal is coming and when seems like the proposal ship has sailed. 
    What did you think would happen if you walked up to a group of internet strangers and told them to get shoehorned by their lady doc?~StageManager14
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    AddieCake said:
    Be mindful of whatever future things may occur. I don't care. Start actively planning. I don't care. Don't start actively planning. I don't care. My point is more that once you know the ring is coming, it's silly to be waiting on a proposal. What's the point of a staged proposal at that point? To know a proposal is coming and when seems like the proposal ship has sailed. 
    Right, I just disagree with this hard lined stance. By this logic, there are two ways to get engaged: 1) One partner proposes to the other completely spontaneously, with no prior agreement made that marriage is the desired outcome. This is done to preserve the integrity of the proposal itself. OR 2) Both partners sit down and have a conversation where marriage is decided upon, and then that's it. I think we all know the reality is somewhere in the middle for the vast majority of couples, and pretending otherwise just seems silly to me. 
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    I think it's the idea that if you're actively planning a wedding, but don't consider yourself engaged because there is no ring that many people find a little silly here. If you've talked about being married, you are setting a date, planning with families, booking vendors, for all intents and purposes you're engaged. It's a little odd to insist you're not engaged if you're doing all those things but you just don't have a ring. 

    I think an official proposal with a ring is great, if that's what you want. I mentioned above in this post that we waited until the time was right for us to be engaged, and of course we talked about marriage and our future. But we didn't start planning a wedding until then either. 
    I don't disagree here, but my point is that it doesn't seem that's what OP is doing, unless I'm missing something. Letting your families know that you're talking about getting engaged soon and talking to your partner about the possible type of wedding all sound like totally normal, reasonable things to me. 
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    MobKaz said:
    My daughter existed in this world and was quite content in it.  For them, I think the difference was public versus private knowledge.  Privately, they discussed many issues based on "When we get engaged......" and "felt the waters" so to speak regarding living situations, religious versus secular ceremony, and other issues that were best discussed prior to an official engagement.  This is also when the ring style was discussed as well.  My daughter knew that "a ring was coming". In her mind, she was officially engaged when a proposal occurred.  It brought their private life into the public domain. 

    No harm.  No foul.
    Public versus private knowledge I think is the big factor, thanks for bringing that up. I told my sister and he told his two closest friends that we had discussed getting married, but that was it. Otherwise the conversation stayed between us, about things like timeline, big versus small, and whether I cared about a ring or not. 
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    I think it's the idea that if you're actively planning a wedding, but don't consider yourself engaged because there is no ring that many people find a little silly here. If you've talked about being married, you are setting a date, planning with families, booking vendors, for all intents and purposes you're engaged. It's a little odd to insist you're not engaged if you're doing all those things but you just don't have a ring.

    I think an official proposal with a ring is great, if that's what you want. I mentioned above in this post that we waited until the time was right for us to be engaged, and of course we talked about marriage and our future. But we didn't start planning a wedding until then either. 
    One important thing to note is how far we've gone as far as planning. As some other commenters have said, we're feeling things out. We have not and are not booking vendors yet, and do not have a date set in stone. I've talked to my family, whereas he is planning to talk to his this month. The reason for these talks is just because we both value open communication. It's probably unnecessary, as both families seem to know it's coming (I know mine did), but again it's just a courtesy. We've talked about being married, but I think a lot of couples do that before they get engaged to "feel each other out." I know if I was a guy, I wouldn't propose unless I already "knew" the answer.

    As for me knowing the date; I don't like surprises. He does, so I don't know the exact date, but I know the general timeline. This was also important because we are waiting until we're engaged before having sex, and I need to get on birth control. I needed to know if my yearly exam would be in time for me to be on birth control a month before he proposed. I have PCOS and insulin resistance, and birth control may take some tinkering, so my doc doesn't want to just prescribe something without discussing the options. Sorry if that's TMI, but that's part of the reason I know the timeframe of the proposal.

    So, as much as I would love to consider myself engaged already, I won't really feel that until he proposes, I have the symbol on my finger, and we've announced it publicly to the world. I have mentioned it to some close friends that he's the one, and we're planning to get engaged/married. And like I posted earlier, I regret that, because I feel I should have waited. I let my excitement get the best of me.

    For my OP, thank you all for your input. Regardless of whether we elope, or have a small wedding, it will likely be in October. I'm glad that the majority agree that that shouldn't affect MFSIL's wedding day.
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    Yeah, just get on BC now. There's no need to put that off. 
    What did you think would happen if you walked up to a group of internet strangers and told them to get shoehorned by their lady doc?~StageManager14
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    scribe95 said:
    To each his own on when they consider themselves engaged. But until then don't start wedding planning. Just in my opinion.
    Not publicly anyway.

    "Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."


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    Definitely agree on birth control. I have to wait until February for my yearly appt. due to insurance. We're going to talk through whether I should stay on Metformin, lower the dosage, which method, etc. I should still be fine though, because his PE is April 21st and it won't be until after that.
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    Definitely agree on birth control. I have to wait until February for my yearly appt. due to insurance. We're going to talk through whether I should stay on Metformin, lower the dosage, which method, etc. I should still be fine though, because his PE is April 21st and it won't be until after that.

    Sorry for the threadjack, but:

    Are you on a special diet of any kind?  Did you speak with a nutritionist about your insulin resistance?  I also have PCOS with insulin resistance being my main issue with PCOS.  I worked with a nutritionist to change my diet.  I now eat 6 times per day instead of 3.  I also took the metformin.  I had my glucose re-tested every 3 months after starting the diet and my levels were straightening themselves out.

    After the first month on the new diet (really its a lifestyle change - I must eat this way forever), I got my first non-medically induced period in a LOOOONNNNNGGGG time.  The last glucose test I had, my levels were all within normal range and I stopped the metformin for good.  Baby was even conceived the old fashioned way instead of with modern medicine, even though we were already seeing a fertility doctor.  It was him who diagnosed my insulin resistance and got me to the nutritionist.  I was pre-diabetic according to my first test with him and now I just passed my glucose test for this pregnancy, so I have no issues with gestational diabetes even though I am at a higher risk for it.

    So it may be worth your while to look into getting your insulin resistance fixed instead of managed with metformin.  I hated taking metformin, even after I got used to taking it.  I was so happy when I could stop taking it!  Many times GYNs aren't well versed enough to fix the insulin resistance and will only treat it.  Also, with the help of my new eating lifestyle I lost 27 pounds in 7 months and while pregnant, I'm gaining weight within the normal amount according to experts.  It was the first time I have ever successfully lost weight even though I felt like I was eating all the time.

    I recommend the book "PCOS and your Fertility".

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    KnotYetTiedKnotYetTied member
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    edited January 2017
    Definitely agree on birth control. I have to wait until February for my yearly appt. due to insurance. We're going to talk through whether I should stay on Metformin, lower the dosage, which method, etc. I should still be fine though, because his PE is April 21st and it won't be until after that.

    Sorry for the threadjack, but:

    Are you on a special diet of any kind?  Did you speak with a nutritionist about your insulin resistance?  I also have PCOS with insulin resistance being my main issue with PCOS.  I worked with a nutritionist to change my diet.  I now eat 6 times per day instead of 3.  I also took the metformin.  I had my glucose re-tested every 3 months after starting the diet and my levels were straightening themselves out.

    After the first month on the new diet (really its a lifestyle change - I must eat this way forever), I got my first non-medically induced period in a LOOOONNNNNGGGG time.  The last glucose test I had, my levels were all within normal range and I stopped the metformin for good.  Baby was even conceived the old fashioned way instead of with modern medicine, even though we were already seeing a fertility doctor.  It was him who diagnosed my insulin resistance and got me to the nutritionist.  I was pre-diabetic according to my first test with him and now I just passed my glucose test for this pregnancy, so I have no issues with gestational diabetes even though I am at a higher risk for it.

    So it may be worth your while to look into getting your insulin resistance fixed instead of managed with metformin.  I hated taking metformin, even after I got used to taking it.  I was so happy when I could stop taking it!  Many times GYNs aren't well versed enough to fix the insulin resistance and will only treat it.  Also, with the help of my new eating lifestyle I lost 27 pounds in 7 months and while pregnant, I'm gaining weight within the normal amount according to experts.  It was the first time I have ever successfully lost weight even though I felt like I was eating all the time.

    I recommend the book "PCOS and your Fertility".


    Hey, I'm so happy that you've found something that works for you. It took me a long time to get to a happy place with all my symptoms, and I think many women who suffer with these two issues have the same struggle of finding a treatment that works for them. Insulin resistance and PCOS are no joke. However, my main issue is the PCOS, rather than the insulin resistance. I'm a healthy weight and eat well. My OB/GYN is not the one who diagnosed me, she's just coordinating treatment as far as BC. The original doctor who diagnosed me is more of a specialist.
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    Definitely agree on birth control. I have to wait until February for my yearly appt. due to insurance. We're going to talk through whether I should stay on Metformin, lower the dosage, which method, etc. I should still be fine though, because his PE is April 21st and it won't be until after that.

    Sorry for the threadjack, but:

    Are you on a special diet of any kind?  Did you speak with a nutritionist about your insulin resistance?  I also have PCOS with insulin resistance being my main issue with PCOS.  I worked with a nutritionist to change my diet.  I now eat 6 times per day instead of 3.  I also took the metformin.  I had my glucose re-tested every 3 months after starting the diet and my levels were straightening themselves out.

    After the first month on the new diet (really its a lifestyle change - I must eat this way forever), I got my first non-medically induced period in a LOOOONNNNNGGGG time.  The last glucose test I had, my levels were all within normal range and I stopped the metformin for good.  Baby was even conceived the old fashioned way instead of with modern medicine, even though we were already seeing a fertility doctor.  It was him who diagnosed my insulin resistance and got me to the nutritionist.  I was pre-diabetic according to my first test with him and now I just passed my glucose test for this pregnancy, so I have no issues with gestational diabetes even though I am at a higher risk for it.

    So it may be worth your while to look into getting your insulin resistance fixed instead of managed with metformin.  I hated taking metformin, even after I got used to taking it.  I was so happy when I could stop taking it!  Many times GYNs aren't well versed enough to fix the insulin resistance and will only treat it.  Also, with the help of my new eating lifestyle I lost 27 pounds in 7 months and while pregnant, I'm gaining weight within the normal amount according to experts.  It was the first time I have ever successfully lost weight even though I felt like I was eating all the time.

    I recommend the book "PCOS and your Fertility".


    Hey, I'm so happy that you've found something that works for you. It took me a long time to get to a happy place with all my symptoms, and I think many women who suffer with these two issues have the same struggle of finding a treatment that works for them. Insulin resistance and PCOS are no joke. However, my main issue is the PCOS, rather than the insulin resistance. I'm a healthy weight and eat well. My OB/GYN is not the one who diagnosed me, she's just coordinating treatment as far as BC. The original doctor who diagnosed me is more of a specialist.


    I have Type I diabetes and know that BC pills can slightly raise a person's blood sugar.  With that said, the effect is fairly minimal.  I take BC pills myself and my doc notched one of my insulins up by 1 cc, 2x/day (tiny amount) when I started on them.

    I just wanted to mention it so your OB/GYN is aware of your Metformin (re insulin resistance) and your specialist is aware when you start taking BC pills.

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    Hey, I'm so happy that you've found something that works for you. It took me a long time to get to a happy place with all my symptoms, and I think many women who suffer with these two issues have the same struggle of finding a treatment that works for them. Insulin resistance and PCOS are no joke. However, my main issue is the PCOS, rather than the insulin resistance. I'm a healthy weight and eat well. My OB/GYN is not the one who diagnosed me, she's just coordinating treatment as far as BC. The original doctor who diagnosed me is more of a specialist.
    Isn't insulin resistance part of PCOS? I think I remember my GYN saying it was. 
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    KnotYetTiedKnotYetTied member
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    Hey, I'm so happy that you've found something that works for you. It took me a long time to get to a happy place with all my symptoms, and I think many women who suffer with these two issues have the same struggle of finding a treatment that works for them. Insulin resistance and PCOS are no joke. However, my main issue is the PCOS, rather than the insulin resistance. I'm a healthy weight and eat well. My OB/GYN is not the one who diagnosed me, she's just coordinating treatment as far as BC. The original doctor who diagnosed me is more of a specialist.
    Isn't insulin resistance part of PCOS? I think I remember my GYN saying it was. 
    PCOS is a risk factor for insulin resistance and diabetes. It increases the risks of those issues. However, having PCOS does not necessarily mean the patient also has insulin resistance or vice versa. In my research, I have seen differing opinions on this though. Some medical professionals recognize the correlation between the two disorders, and see that one typically causes or influences the other, but do not believe that to have one is to have the other. Others believe they exist "hand-in-hand" and to diagnose one is to diagnose the other.

    I will say that in my personal circumstances, my insulin resistance is not severe enough to require treatment, however my PCOS is.

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    Hey, I'm so happy that you've found something that works for you. It took me a long time to get to a happy place with all my symptoms, and I think many women who suffer with these two issues have the same struggle of finding a treatment that works for them. Insulin resistance and PCOS are no joke. However, my main issue is the PCOS, rather than the insulin resistance. I'm a healthy weight and eat well. My OB/GYN is not the one who diagnosed me, she's just coordinating treatment as far as BC. The original doctor who diagnosed me is more of a specialist.
    Isn't insulin resistance part of PCOS? I think I remember my GYN saying it was. 
    PCOS is a risk factor for insulin resistance and diabetes. It increases the risks of those issues. However, having PCOS does not necessarily mean the patient also has insulin resistance or vice versa. In my research, I have seen differing opinions on this though. Some medical professionals recognize the correlation between the two disorders, and see that one typically causes or influences the other, but do not believe that to have one is to have the other. Others believe they exist "hand-in-hand" and to diagnose one is to diagnose the other.

    I will say that in my personal circumstances, my insulin resistance is not severe enough to require treatment, however my PCOS is.

    Before I got pregnant, I had talked to my doctor about the fact that we were TTC and she mentioned that there could be a correlation between the two and I had PCOS (miraculously cleared up after years of BC) and said that if I wasn't pregnant in 6 months she would put me on Metformin.
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