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Tactfully asking groom's side to cut down their list

My daughter is getting married in November.  We are just getting together a tentative list of guests right now.  The groom's mom sent their list to him a couple weeks ago, and we asked him quickly how many were on it.  He said about 100, so we thought it was perfect.  The plan for the wedding is 200-250 guests. 

Fast forward to time for STD's to be addressed, and we found out that list of 100 is really 269!  My daughter has tried to explain to him that 269 is way too many people, and he just keeps saying that they won't all come.  Obviously, we have to assume 100% attendance until RSVP's come back.  2 weeks before the wedding is too late to know whether we are having 400 people or 200!

We love her FI and his family, so we don't want to offend them by saying they can't have all these people.  I suspect that weddings might be a little different in their area than they are here.  This is a sit down dinner reception, where they might be more used to open house type events.  They also have a huge extended family, where ours is rather small.  Going through their list, though, he admits that he doesn't know some of the people. In some cases, he doesn't even know if they are family or friends.

My #1 opinion is that if neither the bride nor the groom know you, you should not be at their wedding.  We are looking at the best way to approach this.  Would you say to just give them a number to trim the list down to?  Not knowing their family politics or
how close they are to great aunt Hilda as opposed to their neighborhood paperboy, we kind of hate to say "no kids of friends" or "nothing beyond 1st cousins." We would much rather let them pick whom to cross off using whichever system they want.

Re: Tactfully asking groom's side to cut down their list

  • Winnertag1Winnertag1 member
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    edited May 2012

    Are you paying for your daughters wedding? Is the FI's side of the family helping pay for it?

    Unless FI's side of the family is contributing you are well within your rights to ask them to reduce their list. I would get your daughter to talk to her FI & then tell him to convey it on to his family. Just straight and simple, "we are only afford to have 200-250 guests, because of this you're family can invite around a 100, can you please ask your parents to cut their list back to this amount. Tell FI it doesnt matter if they dont all come, 269 people is still WELL over the 200-250 people you intended to invite, especially since it is only one side of the family and does not include any from yours. Tell FI whether they are all coming or not we cannot invite more than 250 people just incase more than expected do reply yes. And like you said, 2 weeks before the wedding is far too close to be be able to accomodate an extra 200 people. If FI's family still REALLY wants to invite all 269 people they can pitch in for the extra guests. If FI's family is helping to pay for the wedding in a large sum then this gets tricky.


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  • I would talk with your daughter's FI to see which way he thinks to approch it would be the best. I know for us we came up with a number of people we could afford to host and split the number between my and FI's families. This worked well for us. 

    Could you tell his family that you're sorry but you simply can't afford to host that many people, but you can afford to host X amount of their guests, and could they possibly provide you with a revised guest list to fit that number? 
  • edited May 2012
    I think this is one of those times where it's going to come down to the issue of who's paying. It's never something anyone wants to bring up, but at this point it's appropriate. I think you need to be very honest and blunt, or have your daugher and her FI be honest and blunt about this. They need to tell his mother that the list is more than the total amount you had in mind, and it needs to be cut down. I'm assuming as well that you are paying for the wedding, which I think it so wonderful and generous of you. My parents are paying for my reception as well. I don't know what I would do without them. If FI's family is also contributing, then I think you may have to work out aome sort of compromise, but even then I think that's an incredibly high number for one side to invite.

    I definitely don't think you are out of bounds in addressing the issue, though. Weddings are expensive. 250 people is a big wedding (I'm at 240) and that's not cheap. Doubling that would give a lot of people a hart attack! My parents originally said 150. After we did the lists, we were at that number with just family from both sides. That didn't even include the entire wedding party! First my parents said they would only pay the 150 and we would have to pay the rest. I said that's fine, however, my parents list included family friends, and as much as I love them, they would have to be cut, because FI and I are on a very tight budget on our end and while we love those people, if we had to choose we would want to have our friends there to celebrate with us. My parents soon agreed to pay for the total amount and we worked out a reasonable number of 240. I'm forever grateful that they were able to work that in for us, but if not, the list definitely would have had to change.

    Good luck with this!! Hopefully, FI's mom understands and is able to work with you to get her list down to a reasonable amount!
  • Yes, we are paying for the majority of the wedding, with the bride and groom also contributing.  The groom's family has not mentioned helping, and my daughter knows not to ask.  If they offer, great.  They are super nice, so I know they won't say anything if asked to cut down their list.  We don't want them to be offended, even if they would just smile and not tell us.
  • hoffsehoffse member
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    Your daughter needs to pass the word along to her FI that this is far too many people.  And then he needs to hash it out with his parents.  Splitting it into thirds like PP suggested works for some - but that's not how my FI and I are doing it (my parents are paying, and from your post I assume you are as well).  My parents have given my FI a certain number for his side.  He is filling up however many spots he wants, and then his parents are getting the spots leftover.  This is because his list includes a TON of overlap with who he knows his parents will want to invite - such as aunts, uncles, cousins, etc.  Either method can work, but your daughter's FI needs to be the one to break the news to his side.  
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  • Maybe we can write a script for him.  :)  Kind of afraid he will just say "MIL says you have too many people and wants you to get rid of some."
  • I think even if he does say that, you shouldn't worry about it. i could see if their list was under 100, but at 269, I think you are well within your right to ask for it to be cut down. Does your daughter and FI want that many people there, anyway? I feel like his mom sort of got caught up in the whole thing and ran away with herself a little bit. She may also be one of those people who feels like she needs to invite everyone she knows for fear of offending them. She may just need someone to tell her that this needs to be cut down, it might make her feel better knowing it's not coming from her. You know what I mean? I'd be shocked if she honestly thinks you would be okay with that amount.
  • LeiselEBLeiselEB member
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    edited May 2012
    My parents are paying for our wedding, and it sounds like we were in a similar position when we started planning as you are now. We decided that it would be best and the most fair to come up with a number we were comfortable inviting and splitting it down the middle. I put my guests in my parents half and my fianc did the same. It worked out very well this way. I had worried that since my fiances family is much bigger they'd expect to have a bigger portion of the guest list, but they understood that they weren't paying and thus had a little less control over the guest list. Even so, having half the list in their control sounded pretty good to me. I'd suggest giving them a number of guests you feel is appropriate, and letting them invite whomever they wish as long as it doesn't go over that number.
  • In cases like this is it really poor form to address budget issues with them with such a large guest list? I am at the point were I think 250+ is a little outrageous to expect someone else to host.

    I have not hit that point with my family but we have decided on what we can afford. If there are major conflicts we plan on telling the offending family member that we would love to have everyone but we cannot afford it on our budget. If they insist, we plan on leveling with them the costs and offer them the chance to help out if they really want those individuals there. If not, we will be making all the guest list decisions.
  • Honestly, I think it's pretty presumptuous of the groom's family to send a list that large (this might be because my whole wedding will be about half that) without offering to help financially. You are well within your right to discuss this with your daughter and her FI. I think you could lay it out and say that you are willing to give them X to cover the costs and whatever over that (to pay for all the extras), they will need to choose to pay or cut the list. 

    Your daughter should be so thankful to have a mother as generous as you :) 
  • Daughter talked to fiance at length about this last night, and he is just not getting it.  He has no idea who his family can cut.  I am thinking I might need to send an email to the group (bride, groom, groom's parents) with something positive like "now that we all have our rough drafts made...." 
    We have decided that we could probably bump the number to 300.  We could then divide it into thirds: bride's parents, groom's parents, and the bride and groom.  I stressed to my daughter that if she wants fewer people than that at her wedding, the cuts will come from parent lists, not hers and FI list.  Likewise, if her list runs over 100, I will cut my list to accomodate hers.  I hope his family finds this fair.  Like I said earlier, we really like them.  I am sure they just don't realize what a huge wedding this would be, or how expensive, if we had that massive of a guest list.
  • hoffsehoffse member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_tactfully-asking-grooms-side-to-cut-down-their-list?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:f5be3718-604d-4a7e-a727-1f6a1330c57aPost:1dac266e-c3c7-40c6-9d50-f2f74d224642">Re: Tactfully asking groom's side to cut down their list</a>:
    [QUOTE]Maybe we can write a script for him.  :)  Kind of afraid he will just say "MIL says you have too many people and wants you to get rid of some."
    Posted by secondtimemob[/QUOTE]

    <div>I would have your DD sit down with her FI, and have them collectively come up with a list from scratch together for his side.  And by together, I mean she writes the names down and asks him questions like, "do you know their last name?" "have you talked to them in the last 3 years?" and other things like that.  See how many people they come up with.  Give MIL the leftovers.  The reason why my family approached it this way (sounds like Leisel did the same thing) is so that FI's family would feel any restrictions actually came from him too, not just from my family.  When you split it into thirds, that's open game for the inlaws to beg for more spots.  But when you split it down the middle and have FI participate, it feels less like you (or your side) being in total control and more like him being in control.  </div><div>
    </div><div>My FI's side has 115 spots.  FI took 98 of them.  His parents were cool with that once they saw how many family members he wrote down.  That said, FI could have come up with 150 on his own, so I asked him those probing questions to help him realize that when he's not sure how many children a person has or when he doesn't know their last name (and has never known their last name) that person may not get first priority.  It's worked really well.  My parents also have built in a 10-person buffer for his side.  So we've told them 115 but we can accommodate up to 125, in case somebody needs to be added at the last minute or there really needs to be an awkward number like 118 invited instead of 115.  So I would suggest that also.</div>
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  • I'd tell them that now that you have a better idea of what the wedding will cost per person, that you can only afford to send invitations to X number of guests from their list and then ask them who those guests will be.
  • We had a similar issue when we started out.  My parents are paying for most of the wedding and FI and I are contributing some.  We got a list of about 200 from FI's mom that included a ton of extended family that FI had never met. we were aiming for a total guset count of about 125. 
    Once Fi talked to his family we found out that FMIL just wanted us to have addresses for anyone we might want to include, she was not expecting us to invite everyone on the list she gave us, so a conversation might help clarify things. 
    We ended-up deciding that if FI didn't know who someone was, they didn't get invited. we also didn't invite any 2nd cousins or great aunts and uncles, FI didn't know most of them and didn't feel close to any of them.. 
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  • Try creating the guest list in circles.  Immediate family w/children, aunt/uncles, 1st cousins w/ no children.  Anyone who falls into the 2nd cousins range does not get invited.  Capping children to nieces and nephews of the B&G can cut your guest list greatly as well.

    Since FI's family is not paying you have a great say over the guest list.  You cannot count on the family who won't show up.  Many brides on TK have had 100% attendence.  Just yesterday I mentioned in another thread that a bride's father insisted that distant cousins be invited.  They were all OOT guests and they still all came to the wedding!  So you can never count of inviting people who don't show up.

    Don't send your STDs out until you have finalized your guest list.  Good luck!
  • OP, you're being incredibly gracious and I applaud you for that. I'm glad your daughter talked to her FI, and I think you're doing everything you can. When the time comes, I do urge you to not give in if they kick and scream by cutting their list. You can suggest that they invite in circles- first cousins only, etc. I have a very hard time believing that they can't cut down from 269. 
  • pkontkpkontk member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_tactfully-asking-grooms-side-to-cut-down-their-list?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:f5be3718-604d-4a7e-a727-1f6a1330c57aPost:fbf8b77c-ed71-4ef8-a591-6dd605c9cb83">Re: Tactfully asking groom's side to cut down their list</a>:
    [QUOTE]Daughter talked to fiance at length about this last night, and he is just not getting it.  He has no idea who his family can cut.  I am thinking I might need to send an email to the group (bride, groom, groom's parents) with something positive like "now that we all have our rough drafts made...."  We have decided that we could probably bump the number to 300.  We could then divide it into thirds: bride's parents, groom's parents, and the bride and groom.  I stressed to my daughter that if she wants fewer people than that at her wedding, the cuts will come from parent lists, not hers and FI list.  Likewise, if her list runs over 100, I will cut my list to accomodate hers.  I hope his family finds this fair.  Like I said earlier, we really like them.  I am sure they just don't realize what a huge wedding this would be, or how expensive, if we had that massive of a guest list.
    Posted by secondtimemob[/QUOTE]

    Ithink this a very gracious method of making the final list. 
  • hoffsehoffse member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_tactfully-asking-grooms-side-to-cut-down-their-list?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:f5be3718-604d-4a7e-a727-1f6a1330c57aPost:4ad6acf1-134e-4832-8e1f-8146e37f5072">Re: Tactfully asking groom's side to cut down their list</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Tactfully asking groom's side to cut down their list : Ithink this a very gracious method of making the final list. 
    Posted by pkontk[/QUOTE]

    <div>I agree that you have come up with a good method OP - but to be honest I wouldn't divulge all your plans for accommodation (in terms of cutting your list to accommodate your daughter's) to the inlaws.  That's between you and your daughter.  If the inlaws want to do the same, that's their decision.  I only say this so that they don't equate accommodation with weakness or try to expand your daughters/her FI's list to include people that should be on THEIR list with the intention of making you cut yours... KWIM? </div>
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_tactfully-asking-grooms-side-to-cut-down-their-list?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:f5be3718-604d-4a7e-a727-1f6a1330c57aPost:3ffab8df-f0ef-4514-822e-ef0a6cc39946">Re: Tactfully asking groom's side to cut down their list</a>:
    [QUOTE]Make an A list and a B list..... this way if you cap the numbers at 250, invite 250 leaving enough time to send out a second round of invites as the RSVP's start coming in. It's a way of making sure the closest family are invited and then if there is additional space you can add a few other individuals once you have some idea of number. This might be a way to satisfy the other side of the family without causing any friction from the beginning. Hope this helps
    Posted by Greenapplegirl33[/QUOTE]

    <div>That's terrible advice.  This is the etiquette board.  We give advice that falls under proper etiquette, not advice that is rude and tacky.</div><div>
    </div><div>I'd just be direct.  I'd send Groom's Mom an email saying something along the lines of what a PP said- now that we have a better idea of the per person cost, please provide me with a guest list of up to 100 people, including spouses, significant others and children.</div>
  • Thanks everyone for your help!  :)  Daughter talked to fiance, and he had talked to his mom.  He said she is fine with cutting down her list to 100.  I hope there are no hurt feelings.
  • Glad it seems to have worked out. Just to add to some of the great other points made, this isn't just a price issue it is an issue about the empire type of wedding. 540 gyests is a very different wedding than 250 guests. You are well with in your right not to plan on declines. Even if they had said they cannot cut 2 100
  • Glad it seems to have worked out. Just to add to some of the great other points made, this isn't just a price issue it is an issue about the empire type of wedding. 540 gyests is a very different wedding than 250 guests. You are well with in your right not to plan on declines. If they do end up with problems cutting that will be their problem. In other words your job is not to help them figure out whom to cut. Your job is to send invitations to the 100 people they say.
  • Update: Daughter's fiance says FMIL has narrowed her list to approx. 150 guests. It looks like we will have to live with it, even though it is still 1 1/2 times what we allotted each set of parents.  Daughter is getting stressed about talking about it.  Fiance still doesn't get that we can't invite extra people just because they won't come.  I hate to think that they may have very few guests on their side because of the cuts, but gosh invite the ones you know will come!  Supposedly, she has said they will help pay if they go over.  I never quite get it when someone says that...and I have seen it here quite a bit.  If you can afford that, how about helping to pay even if you don't go over?
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