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NWR: Question for Cat owners- UPDATE

10 days ago, our one cat (about 2 yrs old) was injured. She was dropped from about waist height, and both of her back knee caps slipped out of place. She yelped in pain and ran limping upstairs and hid. We immediately took her to an emergency vet that night, who determined that she has bilateral luxating patellas (which basically means two slipping knee caps). They said that she would need surgery to correct it, gave her an injection of pain killers and anti-inflammatory drugs, and gave us more drugs to give her at home.

The next morning, she still seemed to be in a lot of pain, and after reading online about the bad effects of the drugs they had given her, I called another local vet and brought her there that afternoon. He thoroughly examined her, and confirmed that she has two slipping knee caps. But he also said that if we kept her confined to a room and limited her activity for a minimum of 10 days, she would most likely heal on her own, because she is young, and she is a small animal (and usually the surgery is only needed for larger dogs, etc). He also said not to give her any of those drugs and just let her relax and heal.

So we kept her confined in our spare bedroom for 10 days. Over the course of the week, she seemed to be improving, walking around, meowing, playing with us, etc. She was eating, drinking, and on Saturday afternoon, we heard her running around in there, and I caught her up on top of the dresser and saw her jump down from there without any pain. She had also been jumping up on the low windowsill and up onto the bed (using an ottoman I put next to it).

Then,  Saturday night, I went in to say goodnight to her, and she was stretching her back legs and I saw the left leg get locked up, she just stood there, then cried a little and plopped down on her side. Then she tried to stand up but couldn't, cried more and scurried under the bed. Later on, she was out from under the bed, but just lying on the floor. Sunday morning, we found her on top of the bed, then she was walking around later, and I saw her on the windowsill again. But over all, she is not being herself again. She isn't meowing at the door 24/7 to get out like she had been doing, and when I go into the room to visit, she just lays there and doesn't get up all excited like normal.

The vet had said to re-evaluate her after 10 days and possibly bring her back in if needed, and that's what we plan on doing, either today or tomorrow.
But my question is, have you had a cat with this problem, or know someone who had a cat with slipping knee caps? Have you seen a cat heal from this without surgery? (it mainly seems to be her left leg giving her the problem, and it seems like she can jump, walk etc without any pain. It slips out when she stretches, which you can't stop a cat from doing..but we only saw this happen once over the course of 10 days).

I was told the surgery could be around $3000 per leg, and we just don't have the money for that, but I can't bear losing her over this, just because we can't afford it. I couldn't live knowing we had to put her to sleep because we couldn't pay for a surgery to help her.

Please give me hope with this! We are both so upset and depressed over this entire situation. To make mattters worse, we are leaving for our honeymoon next Saturday, and planned to leave the two cats home and my parents check on them every other day. But now we don't know what we'll do, we will most likely have to leave her confined in that room for 8 days and I think we'll be constantly worried throughout our honeymoon about her and how she is.

Re: NWR: Question for Cat owners- UPDATE

  • mbcdefgmbcdefg member
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    edited December 2011

    Oh geez, sorry to hear that. Your poor kitty :(

    My cat's never had this issue, but I would pop in on the Pets board on the Nest and ask this question. Maybe someone has an idea to help you.

    And I don't know if you could get pet insurance since she's already injured, but it couldn't hurt to inquire about it. Maybe you could set up a payment plan with the vet, or maybe there's a veterinary school in your area that could do the procedure for a lower cost?

    I would just see what the vet says in the next day or two, and maybe get a second opinion if you want. Hopefully you'll hear good news.

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    I have no advice or words of wisdom, only t&p. Give the fur ball a snuggle from me so she feels better. If you can without hurting her :-(
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  • cindyn9178cindyn9178 member
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    [QUOTE]Oh geez, sorry to hear that. Your poor kitty :( My cat's never had this issue, but I would pop in on the Pets board on the Nest and ask this question. Maybe someone has an idea to help you. And I don't know if you could get pet insurance since she's already injured, but it couldn't hurt to inquire about it. Maybe you could set up a payment plan with the vet, or maybe there's a veterinary school in your area that could do the procedure for a lower cost? I would just see what the vet says in the next day or two, and maybe get a second opinion if you want. Hopefully you'll hear good news.
    Posted by mbcdefg[/QUOTE]

    I had thought about Pet insurance but I don't think we could get it since she is already injured. I'm pretty sure she'd have to get a physical exam beforehand.. As far as a payment plan with the vet.. we just can't pay $3000 per leg for surgery for her, no matter how much we love her. That would use up a ton of our money and we just can't afford it, whether we pay in installments or not.
    Since it is a major orthopedic surgery, IF we were going to have it done, I'd want it done by a good surgeon who has a lot of experience with it, especially because it isn't even guaranteed it will work 100%.. I really like this vet and I trust what he says. He doesn't do the surgery, but even he had said that he'd want to avoid it if at all possible, so I'm hopeful that he will have some other options for us. I'd have to take her to Redbank or Fairfield for the surgery.. I had called them and just the visit alone is $200 without xrays or anything. Our vet had told me that the surgery on a dog is about $3200 per leg, so a cat should be a little less than that.
    Honestly, I don't think we could swing any more than $1000 per leg MAX, so it is highly unlikely surgery is even an option for us.
    I'm really hoping the vet has a positive outlook for us when we bring her back.. and maybe she just over did it on Saturday afternoon, which cause it to slip again.. ugh.. :(
  • edited December 2011
    My dog popped a disc in her neck at 2 years old, we took her to Garden State and they did an MRI, and then the surgery once it was confirmed, it came out to $7K that we needed to pay, but you do what you need to for your pets. They offered us a payment plan through Care Credit and we were able to pay $308 a month until it was paid off, and I would do it again for my girl.

    I recommend that you see how she does and what the Vet says, but Garden State is top of the line, you would never know that she had the surgery for her neck, she is just as active and playful as before the surgery.

    We do have pet insurance, and it is great, but it does not cover pre-existing conditions, so you wouldn't be able to ever use it for this condition, but it is good to have in case something else were to ever happen, for the $20 a month we pay it is worth the peice of mind, and they reimburse partially for regular vet visits and shots.
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  • cindyn9178cindyn9178 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_nwr-question-cat-owners?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local Wedding BoardsForum:90Discussion:3366c799-9083-4163-b768-b267d9d6a2a5Post:494908b1-84c6-44de-adb9-76526bee34ff">Re: NWR: Question for Cat owners</a>:
    [QUOTE]My dog popped a disc in her neck at 2 years old, we took her to Garden State and they did an MRI, and then the surgery once it was confirmed,<strong> it came out to $7K that we needed to pay, but you do what you need to for your pets. They offered us a payment plan through Care Credit and we were able to pay $308 a month until it was paid off, and I would do it again for my girl</strong>. I recommend that you see how she does and what the Vet says, but Garden State is top of the line, you would never know that she had the surgery for her neck, she is just as active and playful as before the surgery. We do have pet insurance, and it is great, but it does not cover pre-existing conditions, so you wouldn't be able to ever use it for this condition, but it is good to have in case something else were to ever happen, for the $20 a month we pay it is worth the peice of mind, and they reimburse partially for regular vet visits and shots.
    Posted by PeteandJen[/QUOTE]

    Believe me, I'd do whatever I can do for my cat, but we can't go into $6000 or more woth of debt for surgery for her. It just isn't financially possible. While I love her to death and can't bear seeing her go through this right now, we just can't pay that much money for a pet's surgery. Doesn't mean we don't love her to pieces.
  • bereasonable2bereasonable2 member
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    edited December 2011
    I'm sorry to hear about your kitty.  Poor thing.  Did someone drop her?  If someone dropped her on purpose... like, "Let's see if cats really do land on their feet!!"  I would totally sue their asses.

    This is why I don't have pets.  $7,000 for surgery???  I'd rather buy a nice watch.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_nwr-question-cat-owners?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local Wedding BoardsForum:90Discussion:3366c799-9083-4163-b768-b267d9d6a2a5Post:387a26b0-dc86-45b7-aed5-8846cf1c71f6">Re: NWR: Question for Cat owners</a>:
    [QUOTE]I'm sorry to hear about your kitty.  Poor thing.  Did someone drop her?  If someone dropped her on purpose... like, "Let's see if cats really do land on their feet!!"  I would totally sue their asses. This is why I don't have pets.  <strong>$7,000</strong> for surgery???  I'd rather buy a nice watch.
    Posted by bereasonable2[/QUOTE]

    My friend just paid almost $7 for his cat's surgery... They had to remove 30% of his stomach and a few tumors.  :(

    Cindy, I've never heard of this issue myself but I will be praying for your cat to heal.  My cat meows out of character and I freak out, so I know how worried you must be.  I really hope that it works out, for the best, without the surgery.  (I'll have my little boy put his paws together and pray too).
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  • jcg98jcg98 member
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    edited December 2011
    I'm so sorry, T&Ps for your kitty!  I know how helpless it makes you feel to watch them suffer.  We went through an ordeal with our furbaby this summer, it cost about $1000 when all was said and done and even that was a hardship with a big move and the wedding on the horizon.

    It might not be a bad idea to have her evaluated at a vet that specializes in bone/joint issues.  I don't know of any specifically but Garden State might not be a bad place to start, our vet was going to send us there if our boy hadn't started improving on his own.
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  • cindyn9178cindyn9178 member
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    edited December 2011
    No, nobody dropped her on purpose.. it was me that accidentally dropped her :( which makes me feel even worse.

    thank you everyone.. we are bringing her back to the vet later tonight so I'll keep you posted.
    I came home from work early and went to check on her.. she was up on the bed, so I put her on the floor and when I went back in later, she was up on the windowsill again.. so she's jumping, she can't be in THAT much pain..but I don't think its going to help her heal if she continues jumping. We might have to remove all of the furniture from the room.
  • cindyn9178cindyn9178 member
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    edited December 2011
    Hi, just figured I'd post an update to this...
    We took Zoe to the vet again tonight for a follow up. He said her left knee was still really swollen and both knee caps are still slipping out of place a lot. But he also said there is still a good chance that she will heal with time, without needing surgery, and he is really hoping for that. He suggested we keep her confined for another 30 days, and then re-evaluate again at that time. He wanted us to keep her in a large dog crate to limit her movement, but I just can't do that to her. She would be so stressed out and upset and miserable.

    So we put her back into the spare bedroom but removed all of the furniture, and put the mattress on the floor, with her food and litter box right next to it. So hopefully she won't move around too much and will heal in the next month or so. Of course, after moping around all day, and worrying me to death, we got back from the vet and she's been up and about all over the room like nothing is wrong with her.

    He also said we could try giving her a supplement to promote joint health, so I just purchased one on Amazon called Nuviflex that he said was good. The reviews of it are really good with so many people saying it helped their dog or cat, so we'll see.

    So a month from now will be around Thanksgiving.. I'll post an update then. Thanks so much for the T&P!
  • Suzume2012Suzume2012 member
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    edited December 2011
    Hi! I'm sorry to hear about your kitty- and at what supposed to be such a happy time! I was a vet tech for 6 years, and while you should in no way consider this replacement for a vet's diagnosis, I might be able to offer a little bit of perspective on it, too.  

    First, I'd imagine your vet gave her an anti-inflammatory and painkiller.  Probably Rimadyl, which is the good stuff and expensive, but not without risks.  Don't worry too much about side effects- it's used frequently to treat arthritis in older animal that have weakened organ systems to start with.  The side effects are more rare in younger, healthier animals.  That being said, any medication can cause a change in behavior, and to add to it, that injury is probably very painful.  

    The fact that she is being more subdued is actually kind a good thing- it means she's resting her legs.  Terrible as it sounds, pain is nature's way of telling us we need to rest and heal.  If it progresses into lethargy or lack of appetite, that is more a reason for concern.

    Also, orthopedic injuries take a very long time to heal - weeks to months.  Improvement may be slow going, so be a little patient =)

    If your original doctor said it might heal on it's own, pursue that option first.  It certainly wouldn't hurt to consult a specialist, but let your doctor know about the relapse and decide if that is normal before rushing into costly consultations and diagnostics.

    If you think it would help and not cause her to freak out an hurt herself, you may want to confine her to a large dog crate during the day, or a sparsely furnished room, when unsupervised.  If you think she'd go crazy and climb the walls it would be better not to then ;)

    Cornell has a veterinary hotline that you can consult for a fee, but they are a world-class veterinary research institute!

    As far as emergency vets - Red Bank Vet Hosp. will probably be naming a new wing after me after what I went through trying to save my two kitties that ended up having FIV.  I found them to be hit or miss- I would be more inclined to try Garden State.

    Hope any of that helps!  
  • cindyn9178cindyn9178 member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_nwr-question-cat-owners?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:90Discussion:3366c799-9083-4163-b768-b267d9d6a2a5Post:a4496be0-463c-4167-8829-8c31b25e6957">Re: NWR: Question for Cat owners</a>:
    [QUOTE]Hi! I'm sorry to hear about your kitty- and at what supposed to be such a happy time! I was a vet tech for 6 years, and while you should in no way consider this replacement for a vet's diagnosis, I might be able to offer a little bit of perspective on it, too.   First, I'd imagine your vet gave her an anti-inflammatory and painkiller.  Probably Rimadyl, which is the good stuff and expensive, but not without risks.  Don't worry too much about side effects- it's used frequently to treat arthritis in older animal that have weakened organ systems to start with.  The side effects are more rare in younger, healthier animals.  That being said, any medication can cause a change in behavior, and to add to it, that injury is probably very painful.   The fact that she is being more subdued is actually kind a good thing- it means she's resting her legs.  Terrible as it sounds, pain is nature's way of telling us we need to rest and heal.  If it progresses into lethargy or lack of appetite, that is more a reason for concern. Also, orthopedic injuries take a very long time to heal - weeks to months.  Improvement may be slow going, so be a little patient =) If your original doctor said it might heal on it's own, pursue that option first.  It certainly wouldn't hurt to consult a specialist, but let your doctor know about the relapse and decide if that is normal before rushing into costly consultations and diagnostics. If you think it would help and not cause her to freak out an hurt herself, you may want to confine her to a large dog crate during the day, or a sparsely furnished room, when unsupervised.  If you think she'd go crazy and climb the walls it would be better not to then ;) Cornell has a veterinary hotline that you can consult for a fee, but they are a world-class veterinary research institute! As far as emergency vets - Red Bank Vet Hosp. will probably be naming a new wing after me after what I went through trying to save my two kitties that ended up having FIV.  I found them to be hit or miss- I would be more inclined to try Garden State. Hope any of that helps!  
    Posted by Suzume2012[/QUOTE]
    The emergency vet we took her to the night that it happened, prescribed anti inflammatory drugs and pain killers. When I got home, I googled them, and read all about the risks of kidney failure with the drugs. The vet we have been taking her to now, said to NOT give her the drugs by any means, that they are VERY BAD and he doesn't believe in giving cats drugs like that. He also said not to give her the pain killers, because she would start to feel better way too fast and most likely injure herself even more.

    As I said above, he suggested that we keep her confined for at least another 30 days and then re-evaluate her condition at that time. Also, as I said, we simply cannot keep her in a large dog crate. She would cry ALL DAY and be miserable, and I think that would just be cruel to do to her. So we are keeping her confined to a small bedroom, and we removed all of the furniture, and left the mattress on the floor for her to sleep on (with blankets over it of course). We also left her little bed in there, along with something for her to hide under if she wants to. Along with food and water, and her litter box. She will only be in that room for the next 30 days, and we go in there as soon as we get home from work, and then periodically until we go to bed at night.

    After another 30 days, we will bring her back to our vet and he will determine at that time if she needs more time to heal, or if we should look into surgery, and we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Thanks for the tips though.. I was really just looking for someone who had a pet that had experienced this particular injury.
  • cindyn9178cindyn9178 member
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    edited December 2011
    and just for fun, here is a pic of our little Zoe



  • bereasonable2bereasonable2 member
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    edited December 2011
    I understand you don't want to keep her confined in a large dog crate, but what's the alternative? Let her roam free and then have the surgery?

    If someone was dying of cancer and the doctor said, "Drink only carrot juice for a month." You can be damn sure that I will make them drink carrot juice no matter how "bad" i felt for them.
  • Suzume2012Suzume2012 member
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    edited December 2011
    Ah good to hear- there's as many different opinions on drugs as there are doctors =)  Sounds like a very resonable course of action, and of course if it would cause her more stress & likiness to injure herself to be in a crate then that's not an option.

    I've never had a pet with this, but saw a number of them through the years- every animal is different, and your vet sounds very reasonable and trustworthy.

    I will most definitely keep my fingers crossed that everything heals smoothly!! My gut feeling says it will, and you guys certainly sound like you're doing everythign possible to make it happen <3
  • cindyn9178cindyn9178 member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_nwr-question-cat-owners?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:90Discussion:3366c799-9083-4163-b768-b267d9d6a2a5Post:65428459-9af7-4b1c-b762-66310490aaa7">Re: NWR: Question for Cat owners- UPDATE</a>:
    [QUOTE]I understand you don't want to keep her confined in a large dog crate, but what's the alternative? Let her roam free and then have the surgery? If someone was dying of cancer and the doctor said, "Drink only carrot juice for a month." You can be damn sure that I will make them drink carrot juice no matter how "bad" i felt for them.
    Posted by bereasonable2[/QUOTE]
    Um, as I explained above, the vet also said we could keep her confined to a room if we removed all of the furniture, so that's what we did. We explained to him that she would do herself more harm, and stress herself out (which could lead to other problems) if we confined her to a dog crate for a month. Its not just about feeling bad for her, it is about doing the best thing for her, and keeping her in a crate is not the best thing, when there are other equally helpful options available.
    But yeah, thanks for your supportive input.
    Do you have any compassion for people or are you just always rude to everyone? just wondering.
  • bereasonable2bereasonable2 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_nwr-question-cat-owners?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:90Discussion:3366c799-9083-4163-b768-b267d9d6a2a5Post:c4e63c1a-8fed-41f3-be1c-b17414697016">Re: NWR: Question for Cat owners- UPDATE</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: NWR: Question for Cat owners- UPDATE : Um, as I explained above, the vet also said we could keep her confined to a room if we removed all of the furniture, so that's what we did. We explained to him that she would do herself more harm, and stress herself out (which could lead to other problems) if we confined her to a dog crate for a month. Its not just about feeling bad for her, it is about doing the best thing for her, and keeping her in a crate is not the best thing, when there are other equally helpful options available. But yeah, thanks for your supportive input. Do you have any compassion for people or are you just always rude to everyone? just wondering.
    Posted by cindyn9178[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>Yeah, I'm just rude to everyone. Explain to me what was rude about what I wrote?

    </div>
  • shoebieshoebie member
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    edited December 2011
    You can try pet insurance most wont cover major issues for the first 12 months though. 
  • cindyn9178cindyn9178 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_nwr-question-cat-owners?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:90Discussion:3366c799-9083-4163-b768-b267d9d6a2a5Post:4c1a547d-ca5a-4968-ae77-7e2f9c931921">Re: NWR: Question for Cat owners- UPDATE</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: NWR: Question for Cat owners- UPDATE : Yeah, I'm just rude to everyone. Explain to me what was rude about what I wrote?
    Posted by bereasonable2[/QUOTE]
    I posted this to see if anybody had experience with this issue with a cat, and also for some T&P. It was unnecessary for you to accuse me of not doing what is best for my pet, when you clearly didn't even read half of what I wrote, or you wouldn't have made those comments. You obviously have no compassion for anybody else and you made me sorry that I posted this here at all. My cat means more to me than just about anything in this world, other than my husband and my family and the fact that you would even insinuate otherwise is disgusting.
  • bereasonable2bereasonable2 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_nwr-question-cat-owners?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:90Discussion:3366c799-9083-4163-b768-b267d9d6a2a5Post:bf488bd6-0d1c-43c2-954a-a78589eaba43">Re: NWR: Question for Cat owners- UPDATE</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: NWR: Question for Cat owners- UPDATE : I posted this to see if anybody had experience with this issue with a cat, and also for some T&P. It was unnecessary for you to accuse me of not doing what is best for my pet, when you clearly didn't even read half of what I wrote, or you wouldn't have made those comments. You obviously have no compassion for anybody else and you made me sorry that I posted this here at all. My cat means more to me than just about anything in this world, other than my husband and my family and the fact that you would even insinuate otherwise is disgusting.
    Posted by cindyn9178[/QUOTE]

    <div>You're reading way too much into what I wrote.  Have a nice day.</div>
  • cindyn9178cindyn9178 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_nwr-question-cat-owners?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:90Discussion:3366c799-9083-4163-b768-b267d9d6a2a5Post:65428459-9af7-4b1c-b762-66310490aaa7">Re: NWR: Question for Cat owners- UPDATE</a>:
    [QUOTE]I understand you don't want to keep her confined in a large dog crate, but what's the alternative? Let her roam free and then have the surgery? If someone was dying of cancer and the doctor said, "Drink only carrot juice for a month." You can be damn sure that I will make them drink carrot juice<strong> no matter how "bad" i felt for them.</strong>
    Posted by bereasonable2[/QUOTE]
    I'm not "reading into" anything. the quotes around "bad" say it all.
  • bereasonable2bereasonable2 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/local-wedding-boards_new-jersey_nwr-question-cat-owners?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Local%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:90Discussion:3366c799-9083-4163-b768-b267d9d6a2a5Post:33263e52-2e4b-4a0c-b3f2-11beb77854bf">Re: NWR: Question for Cat owners- UPDATE</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: NWR: Question for Cat owners- UPDATE : I'm not "reading into" anything. the quotes around "bad" say it all.
    Posted by cindyn9178[/QUOTE]

    <div>Whatever. Yeah, just pick one word out of everything I said. Ridiculous.</div>
  • cindyn9178cindyn9178 member
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    edited December 2011
    Everything you said was NEGATIVE. That is the point! Why would you come here and post negative comments to someone who is clearly very distraught over something?
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