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Grrr!

Alright, I'm here to vent and also see if you ladies think I'm out of line or justified in my feelings. Maybe I'm just being a healous twit, but I think I'm right.
FH has a female, married friend who he's had for years. When I first met her, she was very clingy with him (sitting on a counter behind him and wrapping herself around him), but I brushed it off as posturing in front of me, his new lady. Most of his female friends did that to one degree or another when we first got together. However, all of them have stopped that behavior except the woman in question.
She tries to kiss him on the mouth when she greets him. Granted, she does that to other (single) guys (and even ladies) sometimes, but her flirtation with FH is consistent. And she's married! What threw me over the edge was last weekend, at my birthday party, FH was taking pictures of me and the guests. She walks over, takes the camera from him, hands it to me, and has me take a picture of her kissing him on the cheek. How romantic.
When I brought it up to FH, he said he'd try to avoid her advances in the future, but he also said that it's just the way she is. I'm not really willing to accept the "that's the way she is" line about a married woman who insists on touching and flirting with my future husband!
Should I let it go? If not, what do I do? She's part of a group of his friends that I've grown close to and I don't want to start drama, but I'm frustrated. Help!

Re: Grrr!

  • I may come off as a jealous wife who needs to chill, but no way in hell would some other woman be kissing my H on the mouth or wrapping herself around him. First time she tried that crap I'd be telling her to go put her hands on her own husband instead of someone else's.

    I realize it's a good friend, but your FI needs to take your feelings into consideration. He probably likes the attention, which is why he's allowed it to go on for this long. I'd sit him down and give it to him straight, tell him exactly how you feel and that it needs to stop.

    How does her husband feel about her kissing other guys?
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    [QUOTE]I may come off as a jealous wife who needs to chill, but no way in hell would some other woman be kissing my H on the mouth or wrapping herself around him. First time she tried that crap I'd be telling her to go put her hands on her own husband instead of someone else's. I realize it's a good friend, but your FI needs to take your feelings into consideration. He probably likes the attention, which is why he's allowed it to go on for this long. I'd sit him down and give it to him straight, tell him exactly how you feel and that it needs to stop. <strong>How does her husband feel about her kissing other guys?</strong>
    Posted by Seshat411[/QUOTE]

    I seriously doubt he knows the full extent. This lady is a piece of work; she's unemployed, has two daughters, and is at the bar every weekend. I've seen her countless times, and met her husband only once. I know they fight about her behavior to some point because she attempted to vent to me about it once.

    I don't blame FH for this. I don't think he likes the attention, actually, but he's a seriously drama-free person. He doesn't want to make a big deal out of it. After my birthday party we saw her again and I had talked to him about it. He did his best to dodge her advances but I know he also doesn't want to hurt her feelings. So she wound up kissing him on the cheek instead of the lips and he gave me the "I'm sorry, I tried" look.

    I talked to a couple of the other people in the group of friends about it. One of them just kept quiet, the other said, "Yeah, she really overdoes it." But they're friends with her anyway. I'm just not sure what to do.
  • If it bothers you, fi should be willing to put an end to the flirtatious behaviour. As long as he remains ambivalent about it, it is going to continue. He should take a firm stand with his friend and tell her he does not want her to kiss and touch him. He is probably worried about hurting her feelings, but you should let him know that it hurts YOUR feelings when he allows this.
                       
  • Honestly... when it comes to this, I am very jealous. 
    I would not let anyone approach my FI that way. I would take the matter in my own hands. I understand that you are in a close friends group, but seriously?? I think people will understand. 
    If you try and do some reserach, you may find out that maybe some of the women in the group don't like her either. 
    Stand up to her, tell her how you feel, maybe she just needs someone to say it to her face. If that doesn't work, then be a bitch! Who cares? He's YOUR  FI... show them who's his ONLY woman!
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  • I'm saying that if you expressed to your FI that it makes you uncomfortable, he needs to tell her that her advances aren't welcome. Whether he has a sit down with her or just never gets in physical proximity of her again is up to him, but something needs to change. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Grrr! : I seriously doubt he knows the full extent. This lady is a piece of work; she's unemployed, has two daughters, and is at the bar every weekend. I've seen her countless times, and met her husband only once. I know they fight about her behavior to some point because she attempted to vent to me about it once. I don't blame FH for this. I don't think he likes the attention, actually, <strong>but he's a seriously drama-free person. He doesn't want to make a big deal out of it. After my birthday party we saw her again and I had talked to him about it. He did his best to dodge her advances but I know he also doesn't want to hurt her feelings.</strong> So she wound up kissing him on the cheek instead of the lips and he gave me the "I'm sorry, I tried" look. I talked to a couple of the other people in the group of friends about it. One of them just kept quiet, the other said, "Yeah, she really overdoes it." But they're friends with her anyway. I'm just not sure what to do.
    Posted by careyjohnson[/QUOTE]

    Drama-free, non-confrontational, doesn't want to hurt her feelings -- those are all euphemisms for a spineless jellyfish who is more concerned with her feelings than he is with yours. Think about that. That's the lifetime you're willingly signing up for -- a guy who is proving to you right now, before you're even married, that you will always come in second to her.
  • I wouldn't put up with this behavior. It's very inappropriate.  He needs to set limits with her, otherwise her behavior will never change. 
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  • There is no way i would allow her to kiss him in front of me first of all... it sounds like this woman needs to be put in her place, and understand that this behavior is NOT accepted AT ALL, and it has to come to an end. I would have the same talk with FI also. actually i would talk to him FIRST and let him have the option to talk to her and let her know it has to end or I will speak with her... personally and alone...

    She seems too comfortable and this behavior could just get worse  after the wedding for all you know.
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    [QUOTE]There is no way i would allow her to kiss him in front of me first of all... <strong>it sounds like this woman needs to be put in her place,</strong> and understand that this behavior is NOT accepted AT ALL, and it has to come to an end. I would have the same talk with FI also. <strong>actually i would talk to him FIRST and let him have the option to talk to her and let her know it has to end or I will speak with her</strong>... personally and alone... She seems too comfortable and this behavior could just get worse  after the wedding for all you know.
    Posted by ldybug252000[/QUOTE]

    SHE isn't the problem here.
  • Yes, Zitiqueen... i agree. i meant to add more about himn allowing this and whatnot, but i clicked submit and it was too late.Frown

    But he definitely isnt angel in this situation.
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  • Okay, ladies, I definitely appreciate the advice. However, I do want to make one thing clear.

    I do not blame my FH here. He is not spineless, and I don't appreciate the insult. His down-to-earth nature and sweet personality are two of the billions of reasons I love him. I don't *want* him to be a total jerk and tell her to shove off. She's been his friend for a long time and he doesn't want to screw it up, and I understand that. He immediately agreed to try to avoid her advances in the future, and I don't honestly think he's doing anything wrong. He treats her the same way he treats the hundreds of other people we come into contact with, and she's been the only person to become a problem.

    She *is* the problem. And there are other friends in this group who have gotten irritated with her in the past. All of them have either let it go or somehow made her cut it out. One of the couples in the group is newly married and I have never once seen her do to him what she does to my FH. So maybe what I need to do is talk to them and see what they did, but I can certainly guess that the wife didn't just get mad at the husband for being "spineless".

    If you guys have any advice for how to handle this with some dignity, that would be great. Please stop tearing apart my FH for not slapping this woman across the face. He has plenty of respect for me and my feelings, and is in the same boat as I am with trying not to make this blow up in drama.
  • PP already said what he needs to do--he needs to straight up tell her to not touch him, hug him, kiss him, etc. He needs to tell her that it's inappropriate behavior and he doesn't appreciate it. Your FI may not like confrontation and wants to keep the  friendship, but not at the expense of your relationship. I can pretty much guarantee that no matter what he says, whether he says it nice as can be or with a slap across the face (as you said), she will turn it around and make you or him look like the bad guy.

    You will probably face drama with this chick no matter what, but so what? She needs to be told to stop. And if he refuses to say anything because he doesn't want to hurt her feelings or cause drama, then sorry, he does have issues. Standing up for you and your wishes should be more important than this girl's feelings. Avoiding her advances isn't the solution--telling her to stop and enforcing that is.
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    [QUOTE]Okay, ladies, I definitely appreciate the advice. However, I do want to make one thing clear. I do not blame my FH here. He is not spineless, and I don't appreciate the insult. His down-to-earth nature and sweet personality are two of the billions of reasons I love him. I don't *want* him to be a total jerk and tell her to shove off. She's been his friend for a long time and he doesn't want to screw it up, and I understand that. He immediately agreed to try to avoid her advances in the future, and I don't honestly think he's doing anything wrong. He treats her the same way he treats the hundreds of other people we come into contact with, and she's been the only person to become a problem. She *is* the problem. And there are other friends in this group who have gotten irritated with her in the past. All of them have either let it go or somehow made her cut it out. One of the couples in the group is newly married and I have never once seen her do to him what she does to my FH. So maybe what I need to do is talk to them and see what they did, but I can certainly guess that the wife didn't just get mad at the husband for being "spineless".<strong> If you guys have any advice for how to handle this with some dignity, that would be great.</strong> <strong>Please stop tearing apart my FH for not slapping this woman across the face</strong>. He has plenty of respect for me and my feelings, and is in the same boat as I am with trying not to make this blow up in drama.
    Posted by careyjohnson[/QUOTE]

    Nobody said you should run up to her, kick her in the box and shove her and nobody said he should slap her in the face the next time she tries to stuff her tongue down his throat. We did say that this is an issue your FI <u>needs</u> to deal with, but clearly he refuses to because again, her feelings are more important to him than yours. You're just sailing down the river of denial if you think otherwise. His actions don't match his words. If you're looking for a guy who's all talk, look no further -- you've found him.
  • I personally think your FH should confront her since he's the one w/ the connection to her.  Point out to him about how he'd feel if it were a guy doing those same things to you and he had to watch.  He wouldn't like it very much.

    If he truely isn't the confrontational type then you'll have to bit the bullett and confront her or just deal w/ the way things are currently.

    Either way, I think something needs to be said to this woman because if it were me I would not tollerate it at all!
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  • If your FI wanted it to stop, he would have done something about it by now.
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  • megk8ozmegk8oz member
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    edited August 2010

    Justify it all you want, but it's not a good sign that he's so afraid telling her to "back off" will hurt her feelings that he's more than willing to let you feel uncomfortable with her behavior. Your feelings are supposed to be the #1 priority here, and by not setting this girl straight at your expense, you've officially been made second string.

    You know the book "He's Just Not That Into You"? Main concept: if a guy really loves you, he's going  man-up and do everything within his power to make you happy and not bat an eye doing it. And pretty much every guy I know will tell you that when it comes to the woman he loves, that is gospel truth.

    Avoiding confrontation to spare some other chick's feelings while you're left to feel unhappy is hardly accomplishing that goal.


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  • ManwaithielManwaithiel member
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    [QUOTE]If your FI wanted it to stop, he would have done something about it by now.
    Posted by aerinpegadrak[/QUOTE]

    THIS. THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.

    If you're going to tell me that a heterosexual male with the equipment for reproducing is not enjoying this attention at all...then you're either a loony tune or just in complete denial.

    You're obviously upset about this. She's his friend but that might not always be the case. You're (supposedly) going to be together "until death do you part". So if your feelings are not enough to get him to risk the relationship with the other girl to stop something that is REALLY FREAKING INAPPROPRIATE, then you need to rethink this.

    Ziti is right. You are riding the denial ship straight on to heartbreak if you don't wake up and realize that he actually very much enjoys this attention and will not stop it until you either put your foot down and...if necessary...leave him then you're in for a world of hurt later.

    Please, PLEASE listen to what people are trying to tell you.
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  • I have a better idea, actually.

    Start kissing your guy friends when you see them and FI is with you. If he gets upset about it, then you can say the exact same BS he tells you about his friend and then see how that goes over.
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    [QUOTE]Okay, ladies, I definitely appreciate the advice. However, I do want to make one thing clear. I do not blame my FH here. He is not spineless, and I don't appreciate the insult. His down-to-earth nature and sweet personality are two of the billions of reasons I love him. I don't *want* him to be a total jerk and tell her to shove off. She's been his friend for a long time and he doesn't want to screw it up, and I understand that. He immediately agreed to try to avoid her advances in the future, and I don't honestly think he's doing anything wrong. He treats her the same way he treats the hundreds of other people we come into contact with, and she's been the only person to become a problem. She *is* the problem. And there are other friends in this group who have gotten irritated with her in the past. All of them have either let it go or somehow made her cut it out. One of the couples in the group is newly married and I have never once seen her do to him what she does to my FH. So maybe what I need to do is talk to them and see what they did, but I can certainly guess that the wife didn't just get mad at the husband for being "spineless". If you guys have any advice for how to handle this with some dignity, that would be great. Please stop tearing apart my FH for not slapping this woman across the face. He has plenty of respect for me and my feelings, and is in the same boat as I am with trying not to make this blow up in drama.
    Posted by careyjohnson[/QUOTE]

    So you're saying that being "down to earth" and "sweet" means the only action you take when your FI has issues with inappropriate physical contact with someone of the opposite sex is to try and avoid that person?  What is going to happen when you're not around and he runs into her? 

    I have several close girlfriends, none of them touch me in the way that this one is touching your fiance.  If one of them did, I can guarantee you my FI would have an issue with it as would I.  None of them do, but I can also guarantee you that if one of my girlfriends did do something like that, it would require no more than one conversation that hey, I'm engaged now, I need you to stop that since it's disrespectful to my FI before the behavior ended.

    If he's telling you anything other than that, like oh I dont' want to say anything becuase I dont want to ruin my friendship with her, then he's either lying to you and likes the touching, or he's lying to you about the true extent of thier relationship, because if they actually did have a strong friendship, it would take a hell of a lot more than a conversation about what kind of touching is appropriate now that he's engaged to ruin the friendship, and if such a conversation would jeopardize the 'friendship' then it wasn't much of one to begin with, so either way something is not on the up and up regardless of the billions of reasons you love him.

    I'd like to think I'm a pretty sweet and down to earth guy and I wouldn't disrespect my fiancee by letting a female 'friend' wrap her legs around me or kiss me on the lips more than once before putting a stop to that right then and there, but I can also say that such a thing has never happened nor is it likely to because the people I consider friends would never disrespect me or my fiancee by doing such a thing.  Nor would I tolerate any similar behavior by any of her guy friends.  Has nothing to do with how sweet we are, there are boundaries, this girl is crossing the line (unless you are planning to have an open marriage) and if your fiance is actually as sweet as you make him out to be, he should have already done something about it.

    Regarding the other couple who this girl doesn't behave like this with, either she didn't exhibit the same behavior with that guy, so they didn't have to take any action, or she did and they had to take action.  So what's the point of talking to them?  If they had to take action and your FI doesn't want to do so, then learning what they did doesn't accomplish anything.

    Good luck, hopefully there won't be other girls that crop up that he's also 'good friends' with.

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    [QUOTE]Tell you DH to do what mine did when my crazy (Really!) drunk aunt sat on his lap and kissed him on the mouth, putting her hand where it didn't belong, especially in public.  He simply stood up, dumped her on the floor, and said "Oh, my goodness!  You startled me!"   She never tried it again with him.  If she had, I would have sweetly informed her that if she kept touching my husband like that, I would break her arm.  This is NOT characteristic of me, but you need to be very firm with Aunt Rose.
    Posted by CMGr[/QUOTE]

    Try to keep up. Her FI isn't interested in this behavior stopping <em>because he enjoys it.</em>
  • And for the record, I've never had this problem with DH's female friends. Ever. They're such "great friends" that they were able to respect that he was/is in a committed relationship.

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  • ditto CMGr - great idea!

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  • i would be upset over something like that. i would tell him to try harder and just tell her to please stop touching me my future wife doesnt like it..... its hard i went through almost the same thing with my soon to be hubby... i know i have jealousy issues and try not to get really worked up but if a chick was all over him i would most deft let him know about it and that it makes me unhappy.
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